California Senate Votes For Same-Sex Marriage

[75th]

Lost in the admittedly important coverage of Katrina's aftermath: the California Senate has voted to permit the state to recognize same-sex marriage.

I'm pleased at this: it didn't come as a result of a court's ruling. As a general proposition, this is exactly how legislation should come about -- from the legislature.

Here's hoping the lower house in California will do the right thing and adopt the measure as well.

And I dont want any of that group of pathetic democrats to come in here and take cheap shots at me in my own thread. I swear, some of these people are obsessed with me.

 

[Cutiebaby]

it allows it? if so then good i am glad..it will help some of all of them moving up here to ma....they can go down there now

 

[chefbone]

's should not be allowed to marry. That promotes homosexuality!

 

[Cutiebaby]

well said chef bone!

 

[AAP]

's should not be allowed to marry. That promotes homosexuality!

Eat a dick bitch.

 

[AAP]

well said chef bone!

You too.

 

[AAP]

Lost in the admittedly important coverage of Katrina's aftermath: the California Senate has voted to permit the state to recognize same-sex marriage.

I'm pleased at this: it didn't come as a result of a court's ruling. As a general proposition, this is exactly how legislation should come about -- from the legislature.

Here's hoping the lower house in California will do the right thing and adopt the measure as well.

And I dont want any of that group of pathetic democrats to come in here and take cheap shots at me in my own thread. I swear, some of these people are obsessed with me.

jab jab jab <--- cheap shots

Anyway, it is a moot point because if CA recognizes it, that doesn't mean other states have to. Which is where the power - or lack of it - lies.

 

[AAP]

come on ya'll and argue back.. it is slow on here tonight.

 

[1_more_rep]

noooooo california come on i know we are liberal down here but let's not go crazy

 

[chefbone]

Eat a dick bitch.

Whoa....I didn't say anything is wrong with homosexuality.

 

[75th]

Being pro gay marriage (meaning that I dont give a shit what other people do as long as it doesnt affect me) I would be interested to hear an argument against gay marriage/unions/whathaveyou that is NOT based on any sort of religious objection.

 

[chefbone]

First of all, I may get flamed for this(..lol...) but to allow such a deviant lifestyle to be recognized, by the governing state, is outlandish. Marriage is between Man and Woman. PERIOD!!!
Secondly, I find that it is just a precursor to worse things. Such as our country becoming more Liberal, higher STD rates and adoptions by same sex couples(I'll catch shit for that...no pun intended).

 

[75th]

First of all, I may get flamed for this(..lol...) but to allow such a deviant lifestyle to be recognized, by the governing state, is outlandish. Marriage is between Man and Woman. PERIOD!!!
Secondly, I find that it is just a precursor to worse things. Such as our country becoming more Liberal, higher STD rates and adoptions by same sex couples(I'll catch shit for that...no pun intended).

How is homosexuality "deviant?" And also, I said dont bring religion into this, which is where the "man/woman" thing originates from.

 

[EnderJE]

Being pro gay marriage (meaning that I dont give a shit what other people do as long as it doesnt affect me) I would be interested to hear an argument against gay marriage/unions/whathaveyou that is NOT based on any sort of religious objection.

Higher insurance claims?

 

[chefbone]

How is homosexuality "deviant?" And also, I said dont bring religion into this, which is where the "man/woman" thing originates from.

Dude, I'm so far from being religious. That has nothing to do with it. It's a personal belief.

 

[deltreefitness]

Dude, I'm so far from being religious. That has nothing to do with it. It's a personal belief.

Personal belief or insecurity?

I bet you played swords with the neighbor boy, didn't you? It's OK, most boys do it. It's part of development, you just need to get over it.

 

[ziggyziggy]

jab jab jab <--- cheap shots

Anyway, it is a moot point because if CA recognizes it, that doesn't mean other states have to. Which is where the power - or lack of it - lies.

I think his point is that it wasn't some juduicial activist, legislating from the bench and over the head of the elected representatives. Its a good start in reversing that trend.

Zig

 

[75th]

I think his point is that it wasn't some juduicial activist, legislating from the bench and over the head of the elected representatives. Its a good start in reversing that trend.

Zig

Indeed.

 

[75th]

Dude, I'm so far from being religious. That has nothing to do with it. It's a personal belief.

True that, however the very idea that marriage is only between a man and a woman stems from religion.

How does two guys or two gals sharing a union effect you?

 

[chefbone]

Personal belief or insecurity?

I bet you played swords with the neighbor boy, didn't you? It's OK, most boys do it. It's part of development, you'll get over it.

Personal belief. WTF is play swords, I played sports bro.

 

[deltreefitness]

Fencing is a sport!

 

[75th]

AAP wanted a debate, and con sarnit were gonna give him a debate!

Lets just make sure all those democrats dont come on here and take any cheap shots at me.

 

[ziggyziggy]

I don't think your stalker is going to make a cameo on this one, dude.

Zig

 

[75th]

I don't think your stalker is going to make a cameo on this one, dude.

Zig

Always taking cheap shots at me. She is OBSESSED!

She really needs a life!

 

[chefbone]

True that, however the very idea that marriage is only between a man and a woman stems from religion.

How does two guys or two gals sharing a union effect you?

It effects society. In the long term, it will have a huge impact on the way our country operates and it's perception from the rest of the world.

 

[chefbone]

Fencing is a sport!

You're kidding, right?

 

[deltreefitness]

You're kidding, right?

Well I was being a little tongue in cheek but it still is a sport. Just because it isn't football doesn't make it not a sport.

 

[75th]

It effects society. In the long term, it will have a huge impact on the way our country operates and it's perception from the rest of the world.

How would it affect the way our country operates?

Also, numerous other countries are, for the lack of a better term, "gay friendly."

 

[Mavafanculo]

And I dont want any of that group of pathetic democrats to come in here and take cheap shots at me in my own thread.

 

[Mr. dB]

True that, however the very idea that marriage is only between a man and a woman stems from religion.

I thought it stemmed from reproduction.

 

[75th]

I thought it stemmed from reproduction.

Marriage is a social "necessity," not a biological one.

 

[UA_Iron]

75th, definitely

 

[justyxxxx]

First of all, I may get flamed for this(..lol...) but to allow such a deviant lifestyle to be recognized, by the governing state, is outlandish. Marriage is between Man and Woman. PERIOD!!!
Secondly, I find that it is just a precursor to worse things. Such as our country becoming more Liberal, higher STD rates and adoptions by same sex couples(I'll catch shit for that...no pun intended).

I tell you what - when you give a dog a bone - look what kind of shit they come up with . . .

chefbone, my love, chew on this:

a - good, our country needs to be more liberal - keep prayer out of public schools (because there are those of us that don't believe that way) and keep abortion legal

b - higher STD rates? Where the fuck do you get this? The higher STD rates will come, regardless, because we're promoting abstinence and less emphasis on condoms. Thank George W for that

c - adoptions by same sex couples would be good - more homes for kids because their HETEROSEXUAL PARENTS brought them into this world and didn't have a plan after that

 

[justyxxxx]

It effects society. In the long term, it will have a huge impact on the way our country operates and it's perception from the rest of the world.

You're right - hopefully it will curb some of the violence directed toward gay men in other countries.

As for operation, yes - there'll be more people serving in the military and less suicide rates among gay teenagers that are having a hard time accepting the fact that they're gay . . .

 

[chefbone]

You're right - hopefully it will curb some of the violence directed toward gay men in other countries.

As for operation, yes - there'll be more people serving in the military and less suicide rates among gay teenagers that are having a hard time accepting the fact that they're gay . . .

The last thing I want while in the ARMY is to be serving next to some powder-puff, pole smoker.
I agree that violence should be curbed, but against all people. I do not condone violence one bit.
Less suicide.....among gay teens.......hmmmm.....Well, the last thing I want to here is a young teens killing themselves. But, to he honest, I don't think gay marriage would deter that at all. Maybe more education would help, or shit, I don't want to say shock therapy but maybe something to help them turn back to the Light Side of the Force.

 

[Cutiebaby]

ok look i am not going to sit here and debate about this situation, BUT AAP i never said i had any thing wrong with homosexuals....On a personal note my cousin is homosexual and he is the funniest,sweetiest man i have seen.......NOW just because my beliefs are different doesnt mean that i am a "gay basher" i hold nothing against homosexuals i just IMO think that marriage is meant for man and woman. When a homosexual gets married will i wish them good luck and attend the ceremony OF COURSE I WILL, but it doesnt mean that i have to agree with the way of life..It is not for me to tell any one when they are wrong because we are all different people with different opinions in this world.

 

[Roid Pimp]

Same Sex unions being recognised differently from State to State will get real
real interesting when a legal couple in Cali or other state that does recognise it, moves to a different state that does Not recognise their union, and they go to court over it.. All the way to Federal court.

If you are gonna go down this road of Same Sex "unions" getting legal recognition and rights(which IMO they should have), then it should be at a Federal level for this one reason alone IMO.

If you leave the sacred term of Marriage out of the issue, most people accept this as the right thing to do.

 

[AAP]

Those suggesting marriage is just for a man and woman... well, what about man and woman and woman and woman, like the Mormons? Does that fall into the "deviant" lifestyle as well? What about man (father) and woman (daughter)? That fits your criteria of it being man and woman, so let's allow that too.

Your own criteria is flawed and thus subject to be bent and twisted to the whims of the interpretor. Which is why a concrete law is not going to satisfy all.

Like 75th, I would like to hear an arguement AGAINST it that is not ground in religious principles.

 

[chefbone]

Like 75th, I would like to hear an arguement AGAINST it that is not ground in religious principles.

I did!!!

 

[AAP]

I did!!!

What was it?

 

[chefbone]

First of all, I may get flamed for this(..lol...) but to allow such a deviant lifestyle to be recognized, by the governing state, is outlandish. Marriage is between Man and Woman. PERIOD!!!
Secondly, I find that it is just a precursor to worse things. Such as our country becoming more Liberal, higher STD rates and adoptions by same sex couples(I'll catch shit for that...no pun intended).

Here.....do you want more?

 

[Ish]

Who else thinks chefbone played sports so he could hit the showers with the team?

 

[chefbone]

Who else thinks chefbone played sports so he could hit the showers with the team?

Gimme a break.......

 

[AAP]

Here.....do you want more?

#1 The number of liberals and liberal influence is not going to change at all. You are not creating new people or categorizing any new political/governing bodies with a greater power.

#2 Describe "deviant". Interracial marriage was consider "deviant" as well not long ago. Inter-religious marriage is still considered deviant by some faiths.

#3 See my prior post regarding marriage for "man" and "woman" to see how flawed that logic is and open to abuse already.

#4 STD rates are not going to change based on how many people get married. That is absurd. STD rates are based on unsafe sex and promiscious people with no regards to their safety. Not marriage.

#5 FYI - same sex couples are already adopting children. Where have you been? This isn't something new. And it likely is not going to change. Although as years go by I suspect that it is going to decline because now gay men (and women) have simply gone about their business by choosing the other half of the parent and hiring them as donors/incubators. (haha. isn't that a better term than "breeder") I already know, personally in South Florida, 8 couples that have hired a woman to carry their child to term and then sign rights over afterwards. So adoption is not going to increase by marriage, but as I suspect only decrease as more gay couples take the hiring route.

 

[Cutiebaby]

#1 The number of liberals and liberal influence is not going to change at all. You are not creating new people or categorizing any new political/governing bodies with a greater power.

#2 Describe "deviant". Interracial marriage was consider "deviant" as well not long ago. Inter-religious marriage is still considered deviant by some faiths.

#3 See my prior post regarding marriage for "man" and "woman" to see how flawed that logic is and open to abuse already.

#4 STD rates are not going to change based on how many people get married. That is absurd. STD rates are based on unsafe sex and promiscious people with no regards to their safety. Not marriage.

#5 FYI - same sex couples are already adopting children. Where have you been? This isn't something new. And it likely is not going to change. Although as years go by I suspect that it is going to decline because now gay men (and women) have simply gone about their business by choosing the other half of the parent and hiring them as donors/incubators. (haha. isn't that a better term than "breeder") I already know, personally in South Florida, 8 couples that have hired a woman to carry their child to term and then sign rights over afterwards. So adoption is not going to increase by marriage, but as I suspect only decrease as more gay couples take the hiring route.

very good points!

 

[hawaii50]

All i KNOW is Gay relationships are an ABOMINATION!

not saying i don't like gays. one of my best friends is gay.. one used to be.. but its just morally wrong on all kinds of levels.

theres a reason gays never goto church.. because they know its wrong and they don't want to accept it.

 

[Roid Pimp]

Those suggesting marriage is just for a man and woman... well, what about man and woman and woman and woman, like the Mormons? Does that fall into the "deviant" lifestyle as well? What about man (father) and woman (daughter)? That fits your criteria of it being man and woman, so let's allow that too.

According to All U.S. state law it is.. illegal . Even Utah's ..
Maybe not totally enforced there though in some remote county run pockets of the state. But I bet these marriages aren't legal.

Likely because they feel it is harmful to society or the women if not deviant, but I doubt they use that P.I term.

Add to the deviant lifestyle list in most every state marriage with a 13 yr old, a sibling/close relative or a Goat..

 

[AAP]

According to All U.S. state law it is.. illegal . Even Utah's ..
Maybe not totally enforced there though in some remote county run pockets of the state. But I bet these marriages aren't legal.
..

So then, it is just not cut in stone that marriage is between Man and Woman. PERIOD!!! Like chefbone said? There are still restrictions imposed upon it correct? My point exactly...

 

[AAP]

All i KNOW is Gay relationships are an ABOMINATION!

not saying i don't like gays. one of my best friends is gay.. one used to be.. but its just morally wrong on all kinds of levels.

theres a reason gays never goto church.. because they know its wrong and they don't want to accept it.

Why is it an abomination? Please explain.

What do you mean your best friend "used to be one"? He was cured? Brainwashed? Converted? His DNA cleansed and repaired? He was sent back as a Factory Recall to God - his creator - and told "hey there is a defect with this one. You made a mistake God." That's cute.

Gays never go to church? What fucking planet are you on girl? Hell, gays actually fucking RUN the church. Priests and ministers make up the bulk of our population. At first I thought you were just clueless, now I see you are actually dimmer than a dying firefly.

Reality. <--- That's the thing that happens while daydreaming is going on.

 

[hawaii50]

Why is it an abomination? Please explain.

What do you mean your best friend "used to be one"? He was cured? Brainwashed? Converted? His DNA cleansed and repaired? He was sent back as a Factory Recall to God - his creator - and told "hey there is a defect with this one. You made a mistake God." That's cute.

Gays never go to church? What fucking planet are you on girl? Hell, gays actually fucking RUN the church. Priests and ministers make up the bulk of our population. At first I thought you were just clueless, now I see you are actually dimmer than a dying firefly.

Reality. <--- That's the thing that happens while daydreaming is going on.

1) GOD says so.

2) He realized it was WRONG, turned to JESUS, and turned away from his sinful lifestyle.

3) I feel sorry for those who do that. Going to church doesn't make you a believer.

 

[Roid Pimp]

So then, it is just not cut in stone that marriage is between Man and Woman. PERIOD!!! Like chefbone said? There are still restrictions imposed upon it correct? My point exactly...

I don't think I saw anyone on this thread say that it was currently Legally between a Man/Woman, outside of those few states that actually have made that Constit amendment recently.
Religion has stated it as so, or someones opinion that is should be so.

U.S. Marriage Law is an "assumed historical legal institution between 1 man and 1 woman of consenting age" with several actual Legal differences State to State such as age, relationship restrictions etc.

Each state currently does NOT legally have to honor or recognise another states marriage license. They simply do for ease of people moving across state lines.

My point is that unless it is legally defined in some way at a Federal level chaos will ensue when people move across state lines under this concept of each state being able to recognise Gay Unions or not.

 

[AAP]

1) GOD says so.

2) He realized it was WRONG, turned to JESUS, and turned away from his sinful lifestyle.

3) I feel sorry for those who do that. Going to church doesn't make you a believer.

1 - Oh... God spoke to you? Do you remember that part where God also said that women who dance should be put to death? Want to come stone my neighbor with me?
What about eating shellfish? God's word says that is an abomination (Lev. 10:10). Let's hit Red Lobster with our Uzis ok? Be there at 9. Dress in black.
People who insist on working on the Sabbath? Exodus 35:2 clearly states they should be put to death. Let's bomb the local Blockbuster. And that will save us on some late fees too. You up for that? Because.. hey... God said so. It's ok.
Got a daughter? Let's sell her into slavery. Exodus 21:7 says that God approves. Who cares what anyone else thinks. God said it was A-Ok.

2 - Sounds like what he really did, was realize that the church is full of gays, and joined it in order to get a date. Hell, Jesus himself hung out only with men. I don't remember the Bible saying he had a girlfriend. I guess that is why Jesus was tight with the church movement. Cause he knew where to find the best, ahem.. , "roommates."
So now your "friend" (and you) live a sin free lifestyle? I bet you have committed more sins by noon than most people have done all week. The way sins are scored and measured are not on a value system. That is silly. Jerking off thinking of Jessica Simpson is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin as well. (by your statement, though calling God clumsy for making people this way is a sin too). Is one sin worse than the other? No. It is just sin. And I can tell if that it wasn't by any means, I would be going to hell for a lot worse things than sleeping with another man. That probably wouldn't even make the laundry list of things I have done.

3 - and exhibiting bigotry and intolerance and narrowmindness doesn't make you a Christian. Or does it... oh wait.... that seems to be something all conservative religzelouts have in common.

 

[hawaii50]

first of all. those were OLD LAWS in effect BEFORE Jesus' time. After Jesus came, NEW laws were created.

What the BIBLE says about Homosexuality:

Genesis 19 describes that God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah because of their homosexuality.
-Leviticus 18:22 states that homosexual behavior is an abomination.
L-eviticus 20:13 is similar, and adds a compulsory death sentence to the offender.
-Judges 19 discusses the near extermination of the tribe of Benjamin because of their homosexual desires.
-Deuteronomy and Kings state that there shall be no sodomites allowed in Israel.
-Romans 1:26-27 says that homosexuality -- both by men and women -- is unnatural and a perversion.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says that homosexual behavior is such a serious sin that anyone who commits it cannot enter heaven.
-1 Timothy 1:9-10 considers homosexuality on a par with murdering ones parents.
-Jude 7 refers back to the homosexual sin in Sodom.

The Bible is totally consistent: homosexuality is a profound sin, worthy of capital punishment, which will prevent a person from attaining heaven. However, 1 Corinthians 6:11 holds out hope for the homosexual. If they will repent of their sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, they will be cured and become heterosexual.

SECONDLY: How can i be a bigot if i am friends with gays?!

ALSO, EVERYONE SINS.. thats where GRACE comes in... but there are some sins that are SOO bad that they are ABOMINATIONS, and God views those differently.

Chill man, i'm not even condemning you.. thats not my place.

 

[AAP]

So what you and your logic is saying is that God wasn't around before Jesus entered the picture?

Or God had said previously "Let this be how things are" and then when Jesus arrived God said "Hang on... let's change a few things."

What's to say God hasn't made a few more changes since that time? If he did, who would know? And if they knew, who would believe them when they revealed the new changes?

Of course you aren't condemning me. It is not in your power to do that.

 

[hawaii50]

So what you and your logic is saying is that God wasn't around before Jesus entered the picture?

Or God had said previously "Let this be how things are" and then when Jesus arrived God said "Hang on... let's change a few things."

What's to say God hasn't made a few more changes since that time? If he did, who would know? And if they knew, who would believe them when they revealed the new changes?

Of course you aren't condemning me. It is not in your power to do that.

Jesus was brought into the world out of a need for it. Before then, God actually did intervene ala events like Sodom and Gomorrha. Also God already had laws setup -> 10 commandments.

Religion has been completely "whored out" so to speak... but the laws in the Bible remain true and shall remain true.

i don't personally believe that homosexuals are "born that way".. some i have talked to said it was a personal choice.. others said they were "born that way" .. either way we all have our burdens, and its our choice to carry them or not.

and just a lil fyi: i've only been a christian over a couple years.. and i have done almost everything there is to do thats wrong. i do see things in a lot of different viewpoints.. so honestly i'm not condemning you as a person.

 

[AAP]

Newsflash - we are born that way. It is already documented in studies that over 80% of homosexuals knew they were gay from a very early childhood age. Before I knew what sex was, I already knew what I was attracted to.

So, the way I see it, we are most definately born that way so therefore it is either God's fault for making us this way (yeah, go blame HIM) or our parents fault. Either way, someone (god or our parents) are going to hell over this. Glad it is not me.

 

[hawaii50]

Newsflash - we are born that way. It is already documented in studies that over 80% of homosexuals knew they were gay from a very early childhood age. Before I knew what sex was, I already knew what I was attracted to.

So, the way I see it, we are most definately born that way so therefore it is either God's fault for making us this way (yeah, go blame HIM) or our parents fault. Either way, someone (god or our parents) are going to hell over this. Glad it is not me.

yeah... and the earth is flat.

to each his own man but don't blame God

 

[Ish]

Half of those are from the old testament, which are the old laws you just discredited. Also, some of the others you posted lump gays in with perverts, adulterers, drunkards, and slanderers. It's funny, because people pick apart the bible to justify their own prejudices.

first of all. those were OLD LAWS in effect BEFORE Jesus' time. After Jesus came, NEW laws were created.

What the BIBLE says about Homosexuality:

Genesis 19 describes that God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah because of their homosexuality.
-Leviticus 18:22 states that homosexual behavior is an abomination.
L-eviticus 20:13 is similar, and adds a compulsory death sentence to the offender.
-Judges 19 discusses the near extermination of the tribe of Benjamin because of their homosexual desires.
-Deuteronomy and Kings state that there shall be no sodomites allowed in Israel.
-Romans 1:26-27 says that homosexuality -- both by men and women -- is unnatural and a perversion.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says that homosexual behavior is such a serious sin that anyone who commits it cannot enter heaven.
-1 Timothy 1:9-10 considers homosexuality on a par with murdering ones parents.
-Jude 7 refers back to the homosexual sin in Sodom.

The Bible is totally consistent: homosexuality is a profound sin, worthy of capital punishment, which will prevent a person from attaining heaven. However, 1 Corinthians 6:11 holds out hope for the homosexual. If they will repent of their sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, they will be cured and become heterosexual.

SECONDLY: How can i be a bigot if i am friends with gays?!

ALSO, EVERYONE SINS.. thats where GRACE comes in... but there are some sins that are SOO bad that they are ABOMINATIONS, and God views those differently.

Chill man, i'm not even condemning you.. thats not my place.

 

[curling]

aap,

I understand the perdictament about gays being attracted to the same sex. But that is just how the world got out of whact after Adam and Eve sinned for the first time. Gays have inkling towards the same sex much like an alcholic has an inking for the bottle but they can be over came through Christ and prayer.

 

[hawaii50]

Half of those are from the old testament, which are the old laws you just discredited. Also, some of the others you posted lump gays in with perverts, adulterers, drunkards, and slanderers. It's funny, because people pick apart the bible to justify their own prejudices.

no, the bible corrects the old laws by stating the new ones on its own..

the ones i stated NEVER changed.. in fact, they are reiterated over and over in both testaments.

anyways, i think this conv. is closed.. we'll prolly have another one sometime..

i swear this is like the 3rd or 4th time we've had this conv. btw

 

[Lestat]

kudos to California for steps in the right direction.

 

[curling]

kudos to California for steps in the right direction.

Whatever that state is already on the brink of ruin. This is just the last nail in the coffin of moral decay.

 

[Ish]

It's just funny though, because those new laws you said reiterated the old ones don't just lump in those homosexers, but also many different groups in the damned group. So, do you think that drunkards are in the same group as homos?

no, the bible corrects the old laws by stating the new ones on its own..

the ones i stated NEVER changed.. in fact, they are reiterated over and over in both testaments.

anyways, i think this conv. is closed.. we'll prolly have another one sometime..

i swear this is like the 3rd or 4th time we've had this conv. btw

 

[hawaii50]

It's just funny though, because those new laws you said reiterated the old ones don't just lump in those homosexers, but also many different groups in the damned group. So, do you think that drunkards are in the same group as homos?

you're confused or something...

but no, sins are sins, abominations are abominations...

let this thread die....

 

[75th]

The last thing I want while in the ARMY is to be serving next to some powder-puff, pole smoker.
I agree that violence should be curbed, but against all people. I do not condone violence one bit.
Less suicide.....among gay teens.......hmmmm.....Well, the last thing I want to here is a young teens killing themselves. But, to he honest, I don't think gay marriage would deter that at all. Maybe more education would help, or shit, I don't want to say shock therapy but maybe something to help them turn back to the Light Side of the Force.

I served with a gay guy in my unit, a Ranger as well. He was a badass soldier.

 

[75th]

1) GOD says so.

2) He realized it was WRONG, turned to JESUS, and turned away from his sinful lifestyle.

3) I feel sorry for those who do that. Going to church doesn't make you a believer.

LOL.

1) Again, God was only created by man as a crutch, so that man doesnt have to comprehend and explain everything that happens to him. Try to leave religion out of this.

2) My friends brother tried that too. He converted to Mormon, went on a few religious sebaticals, then he realized it wasnt any use considering you are born gay.

3) Nor does it make you right.

 

[75th]

you're confused or something...

but no, sins are sins, abominations are abominations...

let this thread die....

The purpose of the thread has not been served. Nobody, not one single person, has been able to come up with a good argument against homosexual unions that does not involve religion.

 

[Roid Pimp]

The purpose of the thread has not been served. Nobody, not one single person, has been able to come up with a good argument against homosexual unions that does not involve religion.

I did, if it remains a State by State legal issue, you lying dink..

 

[75th]

I did, if it remains a State by State legal issue, you lying dink..

That only attacks it from a legal standpoint, you ugly bastard (I can only assume thats you in your avatar )

Im talking morally, whats the problem with homosexual unions? So far, all weve heard is,

"Its a SIN!"

 

[hawaii50]

That only attacks it from a legal standpoint, you ugly bastard (I can only assume thats you in your avatar )

Im talking morally, whats the problem with homosexual unions? So far, all weve heard is,

"Its a SIN!"

ABOMINATION!!!! GET IT RIGHT!!!!

 

[75th]

ABOMINATION!!!! GET IT RIGHT!!!!

Damn it.

 

[deltreefitness]

How can i be a bigot if i am friends with gays?!

Sort of like how can I be racist, I have a black friend, right? Besides you say your friend was "healed" or converted. Why do I get the feeling you probably played a large part in that? You think you saved someone, right? I think most people are homophobic because of their own insecurities and use religion as means of justification for bigotry. By your logic anyone not Christian is going to some place far in the ground where there's fire and red man with a pitch fork for eternity...Dude how can you take any of that shit seriously? Religious zealots must be so deluded.

 

[hawaii50]

Sort of like how can I be racist, I have a black friend, right? Besides you say your friend was "healed" or converted. Why do I get the feeling you probably played a large part in that? You think you saved someone, right? I think most people are homophobic because of their own insecurities and use religion as means of justification for bigotry. By your logic anyone not Christian is going to some place far in the ground where there's fire and red man with a pitch fork for eternity...Dude how can you take any of that shit seriously? Religious zealots must be so deluded.

now you've done it!!!

i said i have one friend that USED to be gay.. and one that still IS gay..

and no i didn't "heal him" .. the only thing i did was invite him to church and was his friend.

and i have black friends too

 

[Roid Pimp]

come up with a good argument against homosexual unions that does not involve religion.

Habla engles huevos rancheros ?
Who can argue Morality ? Who's Morality ?
My argument is one based of legal logic which anyone should be able to accept.

 

[75th]

come up with a good argument against homosexual unions that does not involve religion.

Habla engles huevos rancheros ?
Who can argue Morality ? Who's Morality ?
My argument is one based of legal logic which anyone should be able to accept.

No, I accept it 100%. But, you are unlike 99% of the other folks on this thread who have not placed any argument that does not have to do with religion.

And since youre coming from a legal standpoint, is there any reason in your mind that homosexual unions should not be legal in every state?

 

[manny78]

Honestly I dont care if fags and dykes have the right to marry. It doesnt hurt me so let it be. In fact, it doesnt hurt anyone unlike adoption. I'm still amazed that in 2005, we still care so much about some religious bs like that.

 

[75th]

Honestly I dont care if fags and dykes have the right to marry. It doesnt hurt me so let it be. In fact, it doesnt hurt anyone unlike adoption. I'm still amazed that in 2005, we still care so much about some religious bs like that.

Banned.

 

[justyxxxx]

All i KNOW is Gay relationships are an ABOMINATION!

not saying i don't like gays. one of my best friends is gay.. one used to be.. but its just morally wrong on all kinds of levels.

theres a reason gays never goto church.. because they know its wrong and they don't want to accept it.

Funny - there's a lot of straights that don't go to church. And correction to you - there are plenty of gays that attend church, but I'm not one of them.

 

[justyxxxx]

first of all. those were OLD LAWS in effect BEFORE Jesus' time. After Jesus came, NEW laws were created.

What the BIBLE says about Homosexuality:

Genesis 19 describes that God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah because of their homosexuality.
-Leviticus 18:22 states that homosexual behavior is an abomination.
L-eviticus 20:13 is similar, and adds a compulsory death sentence to the offender.
-Judges 19 discusses the near extermination of the tribe of Benjamin because of their homosexual desires.
-Deuteronomy and Kings state that there shall be no sodomites allowed in Israel.
-Romans 1:26-27 says that homosexuality -- both by men and women -- is unnatural and a perversion.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says that homosexual behavior is such a serious sin that anyone who commits it cannot enter heaven.
-1 Timothy 1:9-10 considers homosexuality on a par with murdering ones parents.
-Jude 7 refers back to the homosexual sin in Sodom.

The Bible is totally consistent: homosexuality is a profound sin, worthy of capital punishment, which will prevent a person from attaining heaven. However, 1 Corinthians 6:11 holds out hope for the homosexual. If they will repent of their sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, they will be cured and become heterosexual.

SECONDLY: How can i be a bigot if i am friends with gays?!

ALSO, EVERYONE SINS.. thats where GRACE comes in... but there are some sins that are SOO bad that they are ABOMINATIONS, and God views those differently.

Chill man, i'm not even condemning you.. thats not my place.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/homosexu.htm

 

[AAP]

Honestly I dont care if fags and dykes have the right to marry. It doesnt hurt me so let it be. In fact, it doesnt hurt anyone unlike adoption. I'm still amazed that in 2005, we still care so much about some religious bs like that.

How does adoption hurt?

 

[justyxxxx]

aap,

I understand the perdictament about gays being attracted to the same sex. But that is just how the world got out of whact after Adam and Eve sinned for the first time. Gays have inkling towards the same sex much like an alcholic has an inking for the bottle but they can be over came through Christ and prayer.

We would prefer to be overcome by a huge cock and a nice set of balls . . .

And the predicament is not about gays, it's about your stupid views on gays. You're the predicament that we must overcome . . .

 

[AAP]

Whole lot of religionites getting owned here.

 

[justyxxxx]

Jesus was brought into the world out of a need for it. Before then, God actually did intervene ala events like Sodom and Gomorrha. Also God already had laws setup -> 10 commandments.

Religion has been completely "whored out" so to speak... but the laws in the Bible remain true and shall remain true.

i don't personally believe that homosexuals are "born that way".. some i have talked to said it was a personal choice.. others said they were "born that way" .. either way we all have our burdens, and its our choice to carry them or not.

and just a lil fyi: i've only been a christian over a couple years.. and i have done almost everything there is to do thats wrong. i do see things in a lot of different viewpoints.. so honestly i'm not condemning you as a person.

Basically - what you're saying is what I see pretty often. You enter this world, doing whatever the fuck you want, and then one day you become a Christian and everyone else is now fucked up. Basically, you are now SAVED and everyone else that doesn't believe what you believe is DOOMED.

What you need is a good gangbang . . .

 

[AAP]

justyxxx is back in rare form... (which is just fierce.)

 

[75th]

Basically - what you're saying is what I see pretty often. You enter this world, doing whatever the fuck you want, and then one day you become a Christian and everyone else is now fucked up. Basically, you are now SAVED and everyone else that doesn't believe what you believe is DOOMED.

What you need is a good gangbang . . .

OWNED

 

[manny78]

How does adoption hurt?

I'm no expert but there's still a debate among psychiatrist on it. Some believe of them think that having two male instead of the usual male/female combo may have an impact.

 

[AAP]

I'm no expert but there's still a debate among psychiatrist on it. Some believe of them think that having two male instead of the usual male/female combo may have an impact.

Having a male/female in the parental role didn't have an impact on me. I was still born gay.

You can't pick/influence your childs sexuality anymore than you can pick/influence their eye color or foot size.

 

[hawaii50]

Basically - what you're saying is what I see pretty often. You enter this world, doing whatever the fuck you want, and then one day you become a Christian and everyone else is now fucked up. Basically, you are now SAVED and everyone else that doesn't believe what you believe is DOOMED.

What you need is a good gangbang . . .

nope... i've paid my dues... and i'll tell you its a VERY humbling experience.. hope you get to feel it someday

 

[curling]

We would prefer to be overcome by a huge cock and a nice set of balls . . .

And the predicament is not about gays, it's about your stupid views on gays. You're the predicament that we must overcome . . .

This is your opinion just like I have mine. But marriage should be between a man and a woman. Ya'll should come up with your own term just like you should come up with your children. If you can't, then you shouldn't have ours.

 

[stilleto]

personally, what the hell do i care if two gay people want to marry- they don't tell me who i should or should not marry- and i don't plan on telling them.
what people do, behind closed doors, is their business and if two people love eachother- let them enjoy it- legally or otherwise.

my thought is, if you're a religious zealot, against all things homosexual, then don't another guy fuck you and don't marry another guy, but let the other people do what they want.

 

[Roid Pimp]

And since youre coming from a legal standpoint, is there any reason in your mind that homosexual unions should not be legal in every state?

Not at all.. My only concession would be that it be Federal in scope, and to call it something other than Marriage, as that is one main issue causing a LOT of the Non Religious and religious pushback against it happening.

Let those thinking Marriage is a sacred thing have it defined as 1 man and 1 woman as it is today in it's unwritten form. And let the others have the legal rights they deserve under some other new Federal equal standard.

Oh,, but then the "Seperate but Equal" PITAs will come forth quoting the civil rights comparison..

And next up are the States Rights people saying they don't want that..
whatever.

 

[Ish]

What good is religious zealotry if you can't force it on other people?

personally, what the hell do i care if two gay people want to marry- they don't tell me who i should or should not marry- and i don't plan on telling them.
what people do, behind closed doors, is their business and if two people love eachother- let them enjoy it- legally or otherwise.

my thought is, if you're a religious zealot, against all things homosexual, then don't another guy fuck you and don't marry another guy, but let the other people do what they want.

 

[justyxxxx]

nope... i've paid my dues... and i'll tell you its a VERY humbling experience.. hope you get to feel it someday

You haven't paid enough "dues" obviously. You're sitting here throwing stones at others when you're the one that CHANGED! (Glory! Amen!) from a bad boy to a good little Christian. Sorry - that shit might hold water for some - going from bad to good only to now be able to tell everyone how they're wrong and because you're SAVED (AMEN! PRAISE THE LORD!) you are now the LIGHT!

I'm from the South - the deep South - and you're basically just another unoriginal food eating, water drinking, air-breathing Glory-bound, morally compass driven ticket to heaven. Why can't you be original - start studying Greek Mythology or worshipping Cows? Do some of you Christians always have to sniff everyone's asses all the time? Sniff your own damn ass - there's plenty of shit up there . .

 

[hawaii50]

You haven't paid enough "dues" obviously. You're sitting here throwing stones at others when you're the one that CHANGED! (Glory! Amen!) from a bad boy to a good little Christian. Sorry - that shit might hold water for some - going from bad to good only to now be able to tell everyone how they're wrong and because you're SAVED (AMEN! PRAISE THE LORD!) you are now the LIGHT!

I'm from the South - the deep South - and you're basically just another unoriginal food eating, water drinking, air-breathing Glory-bound, morally compass driven ticket to heaven. Why can't you be original - start studying Greek Mythology or worshipping Cows? Do some of you Christians always have to sniff everyone's asses all the time? Sniff your own damn ass - there's plenty of shit up there . .

HAHAHA!!! seriously, you're getting really upset aren't you? I LOVE this thread!

anyways, keep it real... i have to sleep. peace

 

[justyxxxx]

You haven't paid enough "dues" obviously. You're sitting here throwing stones at others when you're the one that CHANGED! (Glory! Amen!) from a bad boy to a good little Christian. Sorry - that shit might hold water for some - going from bad to good only to now be able to tell everyone how they're wrong and because you're SAVED (AMEN! PRAISE THE LORD!) you are now the LIGHT!

I'm from the South - the deep South - and you're basically just another unoriginal food eating, water drinking, air-breathing Glory-bound, morally compass driven ticket to heaven. Why can't you be original - start studying Greek Mythology or worshipping Cows? Do some of you Christians always have to sniff everyone's asses all the time? Sniff your own damn ass - there's plenty of shit up there . .

ha ha ha - sniffing other's asses! How funny coming from someone who is gay. how ironic. I don't sniff ass, by the way, I just toss salad.

 

[justyxxxx]

This is your opinion just like I have mine. But marriage should be between a man and a woman. Ya'll should come up with your own term just like you should come up with your children. If you can't, then you shouldn't have ours.

We do have our own children - they're called straight people - and they're a pretty fucked up bunch of brats, let me tell you.

Yes, curling, marriage should be between a man and a woman, thus saith Curling and George W. And then it was . . .

 

[hawaii50]

We do have our own children - they're called straight people - and they're a pretty fucked up bunch of brats, let me tell you.

Yes, curling, marriage should be between a man and a woman, thus saith Curling and George W. And then it was . . .

......wow... the retorts are seriously getting lame... anyways, i'm really off to sleep now. i expect another onslaught by the time i'm back

 

[justyxxxx]

......wow... the retorts are seriously getting lame... anyways, i'm really off to sleep now. i expect another onslaught by the time i'm back

goodnight hawaii - sleep tight - perhaps Joan of Arc will visit you and send you on some religious crusade.

 

[stilleto]

This is your opinion just like I have mine. But marriage should be between a man and a woman. Ya'll should come up with your own term just like you should come up with your children. If you can't, then you shouldn't have ours.

so if a hetero couple gets married and the wife discovers she's unable to bear children, she shouldn't be allowed to adopt cause she couldn't have her own?

 

[hawaii50]

goodnight hawaii - sleep tight - perhaps Joan of Arc will visit you and send you on some religious crusade.

lol... one can only hope