Bulking on low/moderate carbs

[sk*]

Read a few people like bulking on a CKD, don't think I am brave enough to give that a try but I think I am going to shoot for 250g carbs next time I bulk.

Will probably start bulking in 1-2months. It won't really be a bulk cause I don't plan on gaining much, if any, fat while gaining muscle.

This is my plan:

20 X Bodyweight in Calories
2 X Bodyweight in Protein (I usually take in less protein, but I think it is important to increase it on lower carbs)
1 X Bodyweight in Carbs, maybe slightly more
Rest of calories from fat

Most of my carbs will come from oats. Although I will drink a glass of cranberry juice right before and after working out. I plan on keeping all carbs complex, except pre and post workout.

How's this look? Do you guys think that I should increase my calories even further since the carbs aren't high?

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Also, I heard mention of Dave Polumbo using low carbs for bulking, does anyone know where I could find his diet?

Thanks a lot everyone.

I don't plan on using this plan till mid-september or october.

-sk

 

[overhead]

I searched for info on Polumbo's diet as will as Bill Kazimier who also eats low carb and could not find a thing. If you find it please post it.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

I think protein even slightly higher than 2xbw wouldn't be bad, if you can afford it -- that's a damn lot of protein.

I've read a lot of bad things about oatmeal lately -- I don't know if they're true or not but I'll look for some of the articles.

You probably should have a carb up sometime, even 250g carbs daily really isn't that much. With most of the bulking low carb diets I've seen, the lack of carbs is simply to reduce hormonal levels that will lead to more fat gain which is why you eat a small number daily -- so you burn fat rather than carbs -- and a huge number for carb ups, so it's stored rather than burned for daily function and can be used for protein synthesis.

I really don't know much about them, but I'm going to try bulking low carb also.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Right, the higher protien seems to work well. I'm gaining size very well right now on roughly 500 gram of protien a day.

 

[sk*]

Right, the higher protien seems to work well. I'm gaining size very well right now on roughly 500 gram of protien a day.

Hey bro, what's your bodyweight and how many calories are you taking?

I know you are doing a CKD type diet, that's why I am asking.

Thanks a lot.

-sk

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Weighing 224 today. Started at 200 ibs. Averaging about 5200 cals a day. Protein is around 500 grams, carbs averaging about 40 grams.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

You've gained 24lbs on your ckd bulk? Wow. How long have you been on it?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

5 weeks. Some of it is water though. Probably 10 ibs of it. I just cut my test prop out (going to run just tren and eq, going to add a low dose of winny for a little while) and am lowering my sodium intake. That should help with the water. Still, several people have commented on the fact that I definately look bigger.

 

[sk*]

5 weeks. Some of it is water though. Probably 10 ibs of it. I just cut my test prop out (going to run just tren and eq, going to add a low dose of winny for a little while) and am lowering my sodium intake. That should help with the water. Still, several people have commented on the fact that I definately look bigger.

How much of it do you think is fat?

Thanks.

-sk

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Very little if any. CKD, tren, t3, and doing cardio? Pretty hard to gain bf, even on high cals. I've gained all lbm and water before when doing a ckd. My skinfolds are measuring the exact same also, so shouldn't be an increase in bf.

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

Body, that's very impressive. Please, post up your diet and/or training routine. I'm very interested as to what's in your grocery bag and such. I need to follow a plan like yours, seems to work quite well.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Very little if any. CKD, tren, t3, and doing cardio? Pretty hard to gain bf, even on high cals. I've gained all lbm and water before when doing a ckd. My skinfolds are measuring the exact same also, so shouldn't be an increase in bf.

Do you contribute the lack of bodyfat gain to steroids or the diet?

If someone was bulking on a CKD, without steroids, should they just eat less?

24lbs in 5 weeks is excellent though, especially on low volume imo, nice work.

 

[sk*]

Do you contribute the lack of bodyfat gain to steroids or the diet?

If someone was bulking on a CKD, without steroids, should they just eat less?

24lbs in 5 weeks is excellent though, especially on low volume imo, nice work.

Steroids have little or no effect on fat loss. The cytomel (t3) that he took will help though.

-sk

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Well he doesn't claim to have lost fat, just hasn't gained a lot. Normally steroid users eat a lot more than nattys, isn't that because protein synthesis is higher and basically they can actually use more of the food they eat?

 

[sk*]

Well he doesn't claim to have lost fat, just hasn't gained a lot. Normally steroid users eat a lot more than nattys, isn't that because protein synthesis is higher and basically they can actually use more of the food they eat?

Well, they eat more to grow more and take the chance of putting on fat. The idea is to maximize the effects of the AAS by maximizing food intake.

-sk

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Yea, that's what I thought. Not taking anything away from him or anyone that takes steroids. I was just wondering if a natty should eat less than someone on steroids using a CKD to bulk -- I would assume so..

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

What's your reasoning for bulking on low carbs? To me it's taking something fairly simple and making it much more difficult. Are you endomorphic in nature? I don't know how anyone can gain substantial weight without ample carbs. Let me know.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Well there is ample carbs, during the carb up. They get stored rather than being used for daily functioning.

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

You call that ample carbs for growth! I eat 250g's pre and post workout. I eat around 1,000g's of carbs a day. Of course your body uses them for daily functioning, do you think your body is gonna pass up it's preferred fuel source to store it as glycogen. You're body's main concern is not to maintain muscle, but to maintain brain function and essential body processes. Some of it will definitely be stored as glycogen, but not enough. Lifting intensely without carbs (when attempting to bulk) is like driving a car with square tires. I just don't get it. Somebody try to help me out.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

1000g carbs? Damn that's a lot. What's your bodyfat get to when you eat so many carbs? That's 4000 calories just from carbs...

When you do one of these low carb diets, fat becomes your fuel source so the carbs you take in daily are stored, so is what you eat during your carb ups.. Doesn't come close to 7000g carbs weekly, but I don't think you really need that many carbs to grow..

 

[Deleted member 33117]

You call that ample carbs for growth! I eat 250g's pre and post workout. I eat around 1,000g's of carbs a day. Of course your body uses them for daily functioning, do you think your body is gonna pass up it's preferred fuel source to store it as glycogen. You're body's main concern is not to maintain muscle, but to maintain brain function and essential body processes. Some of it will definitely be stored as glycogen, but not enough. Lifting intensely without carbs (when attempting to bulk) is like driving a car with square tires. I just don't get it. Somebody try to help me out.

AlbinoAssassin, the statement that the body's prefered source of fuel is carbs is a false statement. The body's prefered fuel source is whatever you happen to feed the most off for a long peroid of time. The reason people in modern American seem to burn carbs as their primary fuel source is because we grew up on processed sugars, white bread, boxed cereal, soda, etc. If you switch to a keto diet for a few months, your body will accept ketosis as a natural state, and is more than happy to burn fat for most of its needs. Also bear in mind that you are NEVER burning just carb, fat or protien calories. You just burn a certain percentage of each at different times, however you are burning all three every second of your life. No trying to get into this arguement, just dispelling a common myth you stated with a little science.

 

[sk*]

I did the 800-1000g carb thing, but then I became a 22% bodyfat fatass.

No thank you, I am on a mission to 5%.

Also, incase you didn't know, there are studies that suggest anything over 40-50g carbs gets stored as fat since you don't get to use it. This might change if you workout immidietely afterwards though. 250g in one sitting is just looking to be a sumo wrestler.

-sk

 

[Deleted member 33117]

AA, yes I'm an endo-mesomorph. I was 35% bf when I started traing. I actually got down to 4% for my first show, then did a bulking cycle and ate everything I could get my hands on an hit 20% again in 8 weeks.

Yes, steroid users need to take in more calories and protien than natty's, however it is only a moderate amount. I use a little t3 when bulking for the synergistic anabolic effect of combining it with steroids to enhance protien synthesis. t3 at low doses is anabolic. At moderate or high doses it is the oposite. It becomes extremely catabolic. Besides, my thyroid output has always been a little low, and I've been prescribed 12.5 mcg of cytomel in the past before I ever used steroids.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

My diet is pretty simple. 5 ibs of ground turkey or beef every day, tons of green veggies (about a ibs of romain lettace topped with an olive oil based dressing), and throw in natty peanut butter, macadamia nutts, brazil nutts and swiss cheese as needed. I carb up for 24-36 hours a week. I try to get about 1500 grams of carbs for my carb up.

My routine changes so much from week to week, but here is what stays the same.
Sunday/Tuesday/Thursay legs & back
Monday/Wednesday/Friday chest, shoulders & arms

I do 2-4 sets per bodypart during each workout, everything to failure. I do alot of striping sets, drop sets, supersets and trisets. I keep my rest peroids very short (under 30 seconds for most sets). I do two cardio sessions per week. Usuall HIIT, however last night I did an hour of moderate intensity cardio, and still had a killer leg workout this morning. Did my hack squats with a narrow footing (ankles touching, toes angled outward slightly), and did 5 plates and a 10 on each side, and my sl deads with 405 for 5 reps (new record, only got 4 reps last time). Leg ext, leg curls and thigh abductors were 8-10 reps each with the whole stack. Did 20 reps on the donkey calf raise with the entire stack and a 200 ibs guy sitting on top (had him jump off for my drop set 10 seconds later). So the hour of cardio last night didn't hurt my leg workout at all. I was worried it would.

 

[sk*]

Body,

What do you think of 50mcg t3 instead of 12.5mcg? Do you think it will have the same effect or it might interfere with muscle gain?

Also, do you cycle the t3 or just stay on it the whole cycle?

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1500carbs? Damn. Don't you think it might be worth it to spread that out throughout the week instead? I mean it'll still be under 220g carbs/day, or do you think that will be bad for fat gain?

Thanks.

-sk

 

[Deleted member 33117]

sk, I stay on, my doctor thought I should be on t3 all the time anyways. 50 mcg is too much for your bulking cycle yes. 12.5-25 is enough. 50 mcg will be more catabolic to your muscle tissue than the increase in protien sythesis will be anabolic. It might interfear with gains. I do 25 all the way through.

 

[sk*]

sk, I stay on, my doctor thought I should be on t3 all the time anyways. 50 mcg is too much for your bulking cycle yes. 12.5-25 is enough. 50 mcg will be more catabolic to your muscle tissue than the increase in protien sythesis will be anabolic. It might interfear with gains. I do 25 all the way through.

Hmm, okay 25 sounds good.

After your carb-up, don't you feel really bloated? I bet weight will go up by 10lbs or so?

-sk

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I go up about 3 to 4 ibs actually. I only feel bloated if I ate too much salt. ONce you begin to feel bloated, you should end your carb up immediately. That is a sign that you have taken in all that you can store as glycogen, and they are now spilling over. You risk gaining bf.

 

[jersey_pete]

You must eat a lot of PB,nuts and cheese to get 338 g of fat....

 

[Deleted member 33117]

You must eat a lot of PB,nuts and cheese to get 338 g of fat....

Meat and the dressing have alot. I can knock of a jar of natty pb in a day easily. 224 grams of fat per jar.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

you carb up for one 24-36 hour period, you don't spread it out into separate carb up periods?

I want to gain 15-20lb of LBM by January with minimal fat gain, would I do more frequent or less frequent, bigger, carb ups?

for a big carb up, your meals you eat until you feel full or do you have a set amount?

do you think eating during an entire 24-36 hour period has an advantage over only carb up meals 4 times weekly, the last 2 meals for each day.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

YOu get a stronger anabolic effect from spending 4+ days depleting yourself of carbs, then carbing until your glycgogens stores are as full as possible. So yes, I recomend not carbing up 4 times a week. I carb up until I start to feel bloated or full. On average about 1500 grams.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

So carb up all at once for 24 hours? 5 on, 2 off?

Today I had carbs this morning just because I haven't been able to sleep at all so I feel like shit and need to get through my day.

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

I did the 800-1000g carb thing, but then I became a 22% bodyfat fatass.

No thank you, I am on a mission to 5%.

Also, incase you didn't know, there are studies that suggest anything over 40-50g carbs gets stored as fat since you don't get to use it. This might change if you workout immidietely afterwards though. 250g in one sitting is just looking to be a sumo wrestler.

-sk

I am 230 with abs and I have been doing this for about 3 weeks. If you are on a mission to 5% you can forget bulking. By the way, what was the context of the study concerning putting on bf if you consume over 40-50g's of carbs in one study (that's a nice blanket statement). I would be willing to bet my ass that it wasn't with intensely training Bb'ers trying to put on muscle mass. It was probably in post-menopausal women who lead sedentary lifestyles. Check your sources. No, I don't look like a sumo wrestler. I have a fast metabolism and I am 6'2. I actually have lost a few pounds the last couple of days eating 250 pre and post workout carbs. Maybe I am a freak. Not meaning to flame, just giving you my opinion.

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

AlbinoAssassin, the statement that the body's prefered source of fuel is carbs is a false statement. The body's prefered fuel source is whatever you happen to feed the most off for a long peroid of time. The reason people in modern American seem to burn carbs as their primary fuel source is because we grew up on processed sugars, white bread, boxed cereal, soda, etc. If you switch to a keto diet for a few months, your body will accept ketosis as a natural state, and is more than happy to burn fat for most of its needs. Also bear in mind that you are NEVER burning just carb, fat or protien calories. You just burn a certain percentage of each at different times, however you are burning all three every second of your life. No trying to get into this arguement, just dispelling a common myth you stated with a little science.

I am very aware that your body's preferred fuel source is whatever you consume the most of, of course that is after a sustained period of time. Why do you think most people who eat low carbs feel like shit and don't have good workouts (when compared to when they are eating more carbs). Of course you are never burning just one fuel source, that's pretty obvious. However, I don't think it's a myth that your body runs more efficiently with a sufficient amount of carbs as opposed to a ketotic diet. I have never known anyone who says they feel better on a low carb diet (all things being equal). Why do you think pre-contest bb'ers feel like hell and struggle through workouts even when they are in the wonderful state of ketosis? I have trained with a lot of competitive bb'ers and they always say, damn it feels good to be eating carbs again. I realize these statements are opinions, but I have never heard anyone argue it before. Whatever works for you is what you should do. Do you think high level bb'ers bulk on low carbs, hell no (with the exception of Palumbo). Good luck! Hope you get large and peeled.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

AA, how much bodyfat do you put on during your bulks?

And how much lbm do you add?

When you cut what do you do?

 

[sk*]

I am 230 with abs and I have been doing this for about 3 weeks. If you are on a mission to 5% you can forget bulking. By the way, what was the context of the study concerning putting on bf if you consume over 40-50g's of carbs in one study (that's a nice blanket statement). I would be willing to bet my ass that it wasn't with intensely training Bb'ers trying to put on muscle mass. It was probably in post-menopausal women who lead sedentary lifestyles. Check your sources. No, I don't look like a sumo wrestler. I have a fast metabolism and I am 6'2. I actually have lost a few pounds the last couple of days eating 250 pre and post workout carbs. Maybe I am a freak. Not meaning to flame, just giving you my opinion.

I believe macrophage69alpha had posted it in the anabolic board, I may be mystaking. It was a while ago ...

Brother, if you can eat that many carbs and still have abs, than more power to you ... oh and, I hate you.

Bodytypes have a lot to do with it, IMO. In this game, we have to figure out what works best for our body based on our bodytype (endo/ecto/meso).

-sk

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Albino, I don't know about having shitty workouts. I do a keto diet year round, and I have people on the training board actually posting new threads questioning the weights I handle, calling me a liar. Granted, I think they are very weak if they think my numbers are unbelievable, because I've met guys who are alot stronger. However, the point is, I manage some pretty brutal workouts and handle respectable poundages on low carbs. In fact, during my carbups, if I workout, I don't see any increase in strength or stamina in the weightroom.

The reason preconstest bodybuilders feel like bad, and loose strength? It could have something to do with burning alot more calories than they are taking in, and overtraining from the volume of their workouts and cardio. Just an educated guess.

 

[abc 1]

i don't handle carbs well at all and believe what sk said about over 40 to 50g carbs a day. i was doing 100g carbs a day from oatmeal (all at breakfast) and fat loss was at a stand still. cut the oatmeal out, changed my carbs to all vegetables and felt 1000 times better. i actually feel worse after my carb ups, too lethargic.

i am going to bulk this winter, with lower carbs than the average person. after 2 years of straight hardcore dieting i have 100% faith i will be able to add 5 to 8 pounds of muscle with less than 5 to 8 pounds of fat. it's individual, i feel this low carb approach is best for me. if i ate 250g of carbs a day i'd be a fat guy. but how great it must be to eat all those carbs. i'm truely jealous.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

I can't sleep at all.. I never can sleep good but I can't sleep at all now, might not be from the low carb, could be something else.. do you think that's it tho?

Do you guys think by next March I can add 35lbs and keep my bodyfat the same or even lower it -- i'm still new to the sport? --Won't be all a bulk, I'll cut down too.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Hmmm 7 months... 35 ibs of lbm with same bf? How new are you? Unless you have less than 6 months of training under your belt you'll need drugs. Just being honest with you on that one.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Less than 6 months of bb specifc training -- really new, I seem to be growing good right now. I think I might change to a more frequent less volume routine though. It's hard to find good information on the internet though, everything contradicts everything else.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

AAO, everything contridicts everything else because most of what is done in bodybuilding has no science to back it, and every expert and guru believe that anyone who doesn't believe exactally as they do is an idiot and can't possibly make any gains. Less volume more frequincy is a good idea. There is a great deal of evidance that high frequincy training is effective. Ok, with you level of experience it may be possible to achieve your goal, but still it will be difficult.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Well I don't expect it to be easy. What sites do you get your evidence from?

I was thinking of getting a Poliquin book, I know he mostly advocates low carb diets for his trainees. I'm not sure the type of training for a bodybuilder he recommends mostly though, have you read anything about it?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

AAO, Poliquin is probably a better source of info that most people on EF. Buy the book if you want. I've got books on this, no web sites, so no help there. Go buy some books on excersize science if you want that type of info.

 

[sk*]

Body,

I had ordered BODYOPUS and it just got here today. Read the whole book today, and it seems very similar to what you do. Have you read the book?

Basic idea is 5days with no carbs and 2days carb-up. What I really like about the book though, is the way he breaks down what percent of which types of foods you should eat. I think I may incorporate that into my diet.

-sk

 

[overhead]

SK, I was curious about the grams of protein Bodyopus recommends. Anabolic solution for powerlifters says 1.5-2 times body weight, others say 1 x body weight etc.

 

[sk*]

SK, I was curious about the grams of protein Bodyopus recommends. Anabolic solution for powerlifters says 1.5-2 times body weight, others say 1 x body weight etc.

The diet is 30% protein and 70% fat on no-carb days, but I was more interested in the breakdowns of types of protein (whey, egg white, casein, etc).

-sk

 

[overhead]

I have been getting about 40-50% protein and 50-60% fat and it has not really slowed down the weight loss, although I have not tried lowering the protein intake. When I start to "bulk" again I think I may try 400 grams a day. I seems to be a fat burning freak, I carb up all day Sat and by sunday afternoon I am right back in Ketosis again, so maybe I am a special case. Thanks.

 

[sk*]

I have been getting about 40-50% protein and 50-60% fat and it has not really slowed down the weight loss, although I have not tried lowering the protein intake. When I start to "bulk" again I think I may try 400 grams a day. I seems to be a fat burning freak, I carb up all day Sat and by sunday afternoon I am right back in Ketosis again, so maybe I am a special case. Thanks.

40-50% may kick you out of ketosis, at least according to some. Do you check with keto strips if you are in ketosis?

-sk

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I haven't read body opus, but have heard things about the book.

Overhead, I'm the same way. Anyone who is an efficient fat oxidizer can go back into ketosis within 12 hours of cutting their carbs out from their carb up, without a "depletion workout". The amount of glycogen present in muscle tissue and the liver is not that much of a factor in going into ketosis for most people.

 

[overhead]

Yeah Sk, I check with keto strips every now and then. Its funny, but I have been on and off low carb diets for so long now that I can *tell* if I am in ketosis or not. I was checking on Sundays to see how long it took me to get back into ketosis. I think part of the reason I get back into ketosis so quickly is the amount of time I have been doing these type of diets. My body is now more effective in using fat as energy as opposed to carbs. Oddly enough my worst workout of the week is usually Sunday, the day after my carb up, and my best is Weds. Sunday I feel almost hungover, my muscle are "pumped up" for sure, by my energy levels are not good. I am guessing here, but it maybe due to a lack of available ketones in my system, or I am burning off some of the carbs from the day before.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

sk, since overhead is an efficent fat oxidizer and does keto diets very often, he can get into ketosis easier. If he keeps his carbs low enough, he can stay in deep keto with a higher protien intake that alot of others can get away with. I'm eating 500 grams of protien a day, and in deep ketosis. I can stay in ketosis on up to 80 grams of carbs a day, so if I keep it lower, I can substitute a great deal of those carb grams with protien in a 5:1 ratio and do just fine.

 

[overhead]

Don't get me wrong, I do not suck down whey protein shakes all day, much of my protein comes from red meat and chicken. I bet if I threw in 6 whey protein shakes a day I would have a problem staying in ketosis. I have a whey shake after my workouts, and any other shake I have includes olive oil and is usually casinate instead of whey.

 

[sk*]

I don't even feel weak or anything when I switch to a keto type diet.

The first time I did it, it was horrible. I felt like dying and all I could think about was sugar, but these days I can easilly eat no carbs and feel perfectly fine.

I never used the keto strips though and do not know if I get into ketosis or not.

-sk

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I agree on the whey overhead. Whey will very quickly put one out of ketosis. I only use it post-workout, and always mix flax or olive oil with it. Casinate with olive oil should be fine though.

 

[Fat_eater]

sk, since overhead is an efficent fat oxidizer and does keto diets very often, he can get into ketosis easier. If he keeps his carbs low enough, he can stay in deep keto with a higher protien intake that alot of others can get away with. I'm eating 500 grams of protien a day, and in deep ketosis. I can stay in ketosis on up to 80 grams of carbs a day, so if I keep it lower, I can substitute a great deal of those carb grams with protien in a 5:1 ratio and do just fine.

Where you get from the 5:1 ratio?
So basically what you say is the more somebody is efficient in fat burning the more protein/carbs can he eat on keto diets?

How the amount of fat eaten influance it? So if I eat 200 gr of fat and 200 gr of protein or 150 gr fat and 200 gr of protein does it make any difference?

 

[overhead]

I am not sure about the five to one ratio, but if you eat 150 grams of fat or 1800 cals from fat and 200 grams of protein or 800 cals from protein your fat to protein ratio is still pretty high. I focus on keeping fat calories at 50-60% of my total calories.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

What I ment by the 5:1 ratio was that I can drop my carbs by 40 grams (40 instead of 80) and increase my protien 200 grams, and usually still stay in ketosis, as long as my fat intake is over 50% of my calories. Staying in ketosis is about balancing your fat intake with the combined insulin response from your protein/carb intake.

 

[Fat_eater]

What I ment by the 5:1 ratio was that I can drop my carbs by 40 grams (40 instead of 80) and increase my protien 200 grams, and usually still stay in ketosis, as long as my fat intake is over 50% of my calories. Staying in ketosis is about balancing your fat intake with the combined insulin response from your protein/carb intake.

Interesting but it makes me think why you think that taking 200 gr of protein is more beneficial than taking 40 gr of carbs?
You are enhanced so probably for you it makes sense but for natural people I'm not quit sure if it's better.

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

AA, how much bodyfat do you put on during your bulks?

And how much lbm do you add?

When you cut what do you do?

I have put on about 25 pounds since May. I would say that about 19 or 20 of it is muscle (just a guess though). My BF% was about 7% when I started trying to put weight on. I wasn't on a diet to get to that bf% either. In the past when I have cut, I cycled my carbs. I would go 150 for 3 days and then go 400 on the 4th day. I won't do cardio anymore, it makes me go flat because I lose weight too fast. I will also probably keep my carbs a little higher next time.

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

I believe macrophage69alpha had posted it in the anabolic board, I may be mystaking. It was a while ago ...

Brother, if you can eat that many carbs and still have abs, than more power to you ... oh and, I hate you.

Bodytypes have a lot to do with it, IMO. In this game, we have to figure out what works best for our body based on our bodytype (endo/ecto/meso).

-sk

I know that I am in a minority to be able to eat that many carbs and not balloon up. Bodytypes definitely play a huge role in how you need to eat. It's very individual. I was actually just bitching to somebody how fast I drop weight if I don't force feed myself. It's really tough when it's hot like it is right now. I get sick of eating. I never thought I would say this but I actually want to go on a diet. Before you know it I'll say I want to use the pink handweights and leg warmers. Shoot me.

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

Albino, I don't know about having shitty workouts. I do a keto diet year round, and I have people on the training board actually posting new threads questioning the weights I handle, calling me a liar. Granted, I think they are very weak if they think my numbers are unbelievable, because I've met guys who are alot stronger. However, the point is, I manage some pretty brutal workouts and handle respectable poundages on low carbs. In fact, during my carbups, if I workout, I don't see any increase in strength or stamina in the weightroom.

The reason preconstest bodybuilders feel like bad, and loose strength? It could have something to do with burning alot more calories than they are taking in, and overtraining from the volume of their workouts and cardio. Just an educated guess.

I am actually speaking from experience because I did the anabolic diet and was not restricting my calories at all, but I didn't gain any weight. My strength was actually maintained and maybe even increased (but I did just come off of basically a pre-contest diet, so my calories were probably doubled). There is definitely some truth to what you said about pre-contest bb'ers ovetraining, and how it affects strength levels. I know a few guys who don't do any cardio pre-contest and still fall apart though. That might be due to the fact that they eat crazy carbs year round until pre-contest time and their body is shocked pretty hard by the drastic drop in carbs. You have undoubtedly adapted and become quite adept to low carb eating, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Continued success to you!

 

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Most pre-contest bodybuilder also keep their fat intake very low. On CKD fats are kept high and used as source of energy. I feel better doing a CKD then following a carb based diet.

 

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I am actually speaking from experience because I did the anabolic diet and was not restricting my calories at all, but I didn't gain any weight. My strength was actually maintained and maybe even increased (but I did just come off of basically a pre-contest diet, so my calories were probably doubled). There is definitely some truth to what you said about pre-contest bb'ers ovetraining, and how it affects strength levels. I know a few guys who don't do any cardio pre-contest and still fall apart though. That might be due to the fact that they eat crazy carbs year round until pre-contest time and their body is shocked pretty hard by the drastic drop in carbs. You have undoubtedly adapted and become quite adept to low carb eating, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Continued success to you!

I agree with your theory on the shock to their body. They rely too heavily on an extremely high carb intake the rest of the year, and have trained their body to rely upon carbs, and use very little fat for fuel. Once they go on the diet, it will take a long time for their body to learn to use fat as a fuel source, thus they fall apart. I think it takes time to adapt enough to make great gains on an the anabolic diet or a CKD for bulking. I'm up 30 ibs now from the pic in my avatar, weighed in at 230 even on friday morning. A little puffier than I care to be, but damn I looked big in the mirros while training. Definately the biggest I've ever looked. Usually I think I look tiny. Good luck to your in your endevors as well. From chatting with you it sounds like what you are doing is working well for you.