bulking cycle

[sabutar]

My bulking cycle
WEEK Dbol-Fina---Sus ---Winny
1 ----25----------500
2 ----25----------500
3 ----25--75eod--250---50eod
4 ----25--75eod--250---50eod
5 --------75eod--250 ---50eod
6---------75eod--250 ---50eod
7 --------75eod--250 ---50eod
8 --------75eod--250 ---50eod

I am 5'8" 175- 13%BF
trained for 5 years
Did one cycle of deca/winny
did another cycle of just FINA
Just had gyno surgery to get fat and gland removed
is winny really necessary-
I am taking arimidex during ang clomid therapy after- I was thinking maybe another oral instead of winny or is winny/fina mix bad ass-or maybe none at all. I have done two mild cycles I was just thinking maybe I can just get away tieh dbol fina and sus--
thoughts anyone...

 

[serge]

i would start winny right after dumping dboll, no need to overlap, gyno from tren is very unlikely

 

[Beezers]

Your cycle looks very good. Some may say eight weeks on 17aa is too long, but it's really not. The winny isn't necessary, none of the drugs are necessary, but it'll make for a nice addition and help deal with the progesterone from the tren. Looks good.

 

[sabutar]

Thanx for the replies bros,
By the time I do the cycle I will be on test replacement therapy, would clomid be necessary at the end of this cycle even though I still will be taking test. Or should I halt the test- clomid therapy to bring up what low test levvels I have and then start therapy again?

 

[barnes3]

As far as the clomid, it certainly couldn't hurt. As far as your actuall cycle I would drag it out a little more. I would make it look like this:

1) WEEK Dbol-Fina---Sus ---Winny
1 ----25----------500
2 ----25----------500
3 ----25----------250
4 ----25----------250---50eod
5 -----------------250 ---50eod
6------------------250 ---50eod
7 -----------------250 ---50eod
8 --------75eod--250 ---50eod
9 --------75eod-----------50eod
10-------75eod
11-------75eod
12-------75eod

OR

2) WEEK Dbol-Fina---Sus ---Winny
1 ----25----------500
2 ----25----------500
3 ----25----------250
4 ----25--75eod--250
5 --------75eod--250
6---------75eod--250
7 --------75eod--250----50eod
8 --------75eod--250 ---50eod
9---------75eod 50eod
10 50eod
11 50eod
12 50eod


OR

3) WEEK Dbol-Fina---Sus ---Winny
1 ----25----------500
2 ----25----------500
3 ----25----------250
4 ----25----------250
5 -----------------250
6------------------250
7 ------------------250----50eod
8 ------------------250 ---50eod
9----------------- 50eod
10 75eod 50eod
11 75eod 50eod
12 75eod 50eod
13 75 eod
14 75 eod

I am sure you get the picture. Personally I would do the 3rd one.

Just my opinions...

barnes3

 

[madrid]

Winny

I was wondering if any of you have used winny in your bulking cycle, if so how would one look if they didnt throw winny in a bulking cycle aposed to using winy in a bulking cycle

 

[sabutar]

Thanx barnes and rest of bros. but why ,Barnes, should I stretch it out, I always though having a shorter cycle would be better.

 

[manny78]

i would start winny right after dumping dboll, no need to overlap, gyno from tren is very unlikely

agree on this one. winny right after dbols. The rest is perfect.

 

[sabutar]

should I then only cycle the winny for 4 weeks or should I just move it down two weeks- too help with the crash-- and as far as the test therapy should I stop it while on the cycle and resume it after my clomid therapy? I did a search on this any I can't find answers--

 

[barnes3]

This is a contraversal point with everyone. It is more a person opinion. I believe that the body can only absorb so much at one time and therefor you would have to stretch it out so that the body can take full effect of everything that you are giving it. Plus it will be less harmful to your organs. Tren should not be taken over 6 weeks because of it being toxic. And puting it with winny will further hurt your body. You can overlap them but just not for too long. Plus when you are trying to bulk you should concentrate on bulking then concentrating on cutting. The arimidex should take care of some of the water weight that the sus and dbol give you and take care of the gyno.

I think that answered everything....

barnes3

 

[barnes3]

should I then only cycle the winny for 4 weeks or should I just move it down two weeks- too help with the crash-- and as far as the test therapy should I stop it while on the cycle and resume it after my clomid therapy? I did a search on this any I can't find answers--

yes as far as the therapy....

barnes3

 

[serge]

"It is more a person opinion. I believe that the body can only absorb so much at one time and therefor you would have to stretch it out so that the body can take full effect of everything that you are giving it."

From a receptor saturation point of view you are obsolutely right, but there are other mechanisms of anabolism that take place. For instance, 500mg/test/week is all you need to fully saturate the receptor site, but yet you will see much better gains from 1000mg/week, the reason is that surplus of testosterone will "spill-over" and cause an anti-catabolic effect which is more powerfull then anabolic effect by itself.

" Plus it will be less harmful to your organs."

this is incorect, more agressive cycles with shorter duration will cause much less damage then milder but more lengthy cycles, www.mesorx.com has some studies to back this point.

"Tren should not be taken over 6 weeks because of it being toxic"

explain why its toxic, its not C-17 alkylated steroid so there is no reason it would be any more toxic then any other injectible.

 

[td24]

Run the fina and winny together to combat the gyno effect, but do run them after the dbol.

 

[barnes3]

"explain why its toxic, its not C-17 alkylated steroid so there is no reason it would be any more toxic then any other injectible. "


This is just what I have read, and what I have gathered.

Steroid World quote:
"Finaplix can be very toxic, especially to the kidneys. Since this is a strong androgen, related side effects such as acne and increased aggression are also very common. To be cautious, users will commonly limit their use of this drug to 4 or 6 weeks. "

Finalplix being the same as Trenbolone Acetate if I am not mistaken.

Steroid Encyclopedia quote:
"Negative side effects

Should not be taken for periods longer than 10-12 weeks due to the stress it imposes on the kidneys.

Like Anadrol, it's only used by the most ambitious female bodybuilders. It's known to cause strong virilization characteristics in females, with most the side effects being irreversible (e.g. voice deepening and clitoral hypertrophy).

Stressful to the kidneys but not to the liver; it's best to increase water intake when using Parabolan.

Parabolan is often associated with hypoglycemia, thus many people use it in conjunction with high carb diets and various forms of insulin.

The activity spectrum of trenbolone is similar to that of 19-nortestosterone or those anabolics that are derived from 19-nortestosterone. The compound has an androgenic effect about three times stronger than testosterone propionate, which also means that the possibility for virilizing effects is strong. The antigonadotropic activity (inhibition of ovulation and testicular growth) of trenbolone acetate far exceeds that of testosterone propionate. "

Parabolan being the same as Finaplix-->Trenbolone Acetate.

I am not doubting that you may be right about Tren, since the study done at SW is about a year old. If you have something to support your theory I would be very interested in reading it.

As far as the harmful to your organs, I will have to read more on that at mesorx. I figured that because of the more volume


my .02

barnes3

 

[serge]

info from steroidworld is coming mostly from AnabolicReview, book by bill phillips, that info is old, and useless. Its the same book that claimed that sustanon induced multi-ester syntergy, we all know thats bullshit, they also claimed that test prop causes no water retention. go on mesorx.com, or anabolicextreme.com, they have some updated stuff

 

[barnes3]

Thanks for the info. Glad someone shed some light on me!

barnes3

 

[Beezers]

There's no need to run clomid therapy if you're on replacement therapy. If you're on testosterone replacement therapy you are hypogonadic meaning you don't have any or very little natural testosterone production to restore. Once you cease the cycle go back to your test therapy.

 

[barnes3]

There's no need to run clomid therapy if you're on replacement therapy. If you're on testosterone replacement therapy you are hypogonadic meaning you don't have any or very little natural testosterone production to restore. Once you cease the cycle go back to your test therapy.

Question:
Would it hurt him if he did use the clomid while on replacement therapy??

barnes3

 

[Beezers]

Question:
Would it hurt him if he did use the clomid while on replacement therapy??

barnes3

No, but there's no point. His endogenous testosterone production is shut down from the replacement therapy.

 

[sabutar]

Ok, How about this then...
WEEK Dbol-Fina---Sus ---Winny
1 ----25----------500
2 ----25----------500
3 ----25----------250---
4 ----25----------250---
5 --------75eod--250 ---50eod
6---------75eod--250 ---50eod
7 --------75eod--250 ---50eod
8 --------75eod--250 ---50eod
9 --------75eod---------50eod
10--------75eod----------50eod

Now I am not running winny/fina and dbol together, it's 10 weeks instead of an eight week-which is what I think I had before I made this original post. I think I'll be ok with the winny since it is only 50mg eod. Again, thanx bros for input, bbut Barnes I wasn't trying to cut up at end of the cycle, I just got good gains from fina cycle and when I tried winny before, plus sus will still be in my system--would you suggest anything else besides winny, I already have my fina and sus so I figure I just throw in winny and dbol. AS far as clomid, I kinda agree with beezers, but I didn't think therapeutic doses of test shut down natural test thats why I figure run clomid then start test therapy again.

 

[sabutar]

bump

 

[sabutar]

bump, come on bros. If i don't need the clomid becuase of the test therapy, then would it make sense that I would keep more of my gains than someone not on test therapy?