bulking at 21% bf

[trialbypinoy]

I have a friend is going to start a bulking cycle soon. My only concern is that he's at 22% bf already and refuses to try to lose weight. Should I be concerned for his health and try to convince him otherwise or leave him be? What kind of health risks does he face if he does do a bulk cycle now?

 

[psychedout]

At 21% bf he can gain muscle and loose fat at the same time with a semi-tight diet.

He just has to be fairly dialed in to it.

He should stay away from an all-out bulk though thats for sure.

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

21% is not lean but is also NOT fat. Most of the people on this board that think they are 11 or 12% aren't anywhere close to that. I'd say most of them are 18-19%. If you can see the shape of your abs through a small layer of fat and can pinch maybe a half inch of fat on your middle (this is very general) you are in the 16-18 range. I am at 10% legit and I am very cut but not shredded. Most people that see me without a shirt think I'm 4% and it's just that they don't have a clue. 4% is unbelievably ripped and even though there are people here that are that low it is extremely rare and a feat if you get there. Tell your buddy to bulk if he wants to. The key though is this, have a mental image of what you want your body to look like and focus on that. Don't just bulk for the sake of bulking or cut for the sake of cutting. It should all be toward a very specific goal. ie "I want to be 200 and 8%" If that were my goal and I was 250 and 19% I wouldn't bulk but if I were 180 and 19% maybe I WOULD bulk. Just a thought.

 

[ohashi]

21% is pretty fucking fat, no matter how you try to justify it.

 

[mehtadog]

how tall is he, how old? how long has he been working out seriously?

 

[liquidmuscle]

i dont recommend any cycle until you get your bf in check i would say let him drop atleast 4% if not more before he does any bulker or cutter

 

[DIVISION]

I have a friend is going to start a bulking cycle soon. My only concern is that he's at 22% bf already and refuses to try to lose weight. Should I be concerned for his health and try to convince him otherwise or leave him be? What kind of health risks does he face if he does do a bulk cycle now?

It's his life, if he wants to stay @ 22-30 %BF, it's his prerogtive. He'll probably get hypertension, possibly some heart complications if he stays this condition for an extended period.

I say let him do what he wants.....live and learn, PinoyHomie.....

DIV

 

[VictorBR]

Personally I will never do a bulking with more than 12-13 % .

I am 15 % right now and I am dieting to reach 13 % to start my bulker.



Victor

 

[Gel2]

I weigh in at 210 lb's @ 6ft, I have some scales at home that say I am 33% bodyfat.

Before I lost 70lb in weight they said I was 35% bodyfat.

Make sure the method used to calculate bodyfat is accurate because I'll be damned if I am 33% bf!!!

 

[JKurz1]

21% is not lean but is also NOT fat. Most of the people on this board that think they are 11 or 12% aren't anywhere close to that. I'd say most of them are 18-19%. If you can see the shape of your abs through a small layer of fat and can pinch maybe a half inch of fat on your middle (this is very general) you are in the 16-18 range. I am at 10% legit and I am very cut but not shredded. Most people that see me without a shirt think I'm 4% and it's just that they don't have a clue. 4% is unbelievably ripped and even though there are people here that are that low it is extremely rare and a feat if you get there. Tell your buddy to bulk if he wants to. The key though is this, have a mental image of what you want your body to look like and focus on that. Don't just bulk for the sake of bulking or cut for the sake of cutting. It should all be toward a very specific goal. ie "I want to be 200 and 8%" If that were my goal and I was 250 and 19% I wouldn't bulk but if I were 180 and 19% maybe I WOULD bulk. Just a thought.

Agree and disagree..I agree that many, many people think they are sub 10%, when they really arent even close......people don't realize how hard it is to get to and maintain % under 7%...posts saying you are 5% (and not close to competition) are 99% bogus............I'm about 8% and pretty shredded...been in the high 4's and my body would twitch and shake so bad, I thought I was dying.......HOWEVER, 21% is FAT........at least in a bodybuilders view......prob. close to normal for the avg. male. No way I would think about bulking at this %.......I NEVER let myself get over 12-13%......you'll either be dieting for months and months, or lose every bit of mass/strength you gained.............

 

[SlavikHavik]

I weigh in at 210 lb's @ 6ft, I have some scales at home that say I am 33% bodyfat.

Before I lost 70lb in weight they said I was 35% bodyfat.

Make sure the method used to calculate bodyfat is accurate because I'll be damned if I am 33% bf!!!

yeah its very hard to get an accurate percentage of what your bf% is. The gym i used to work at had a sckewed chart that we compared the skin fold measurements against. It was designed to put everyone up like 10%. Cause i had some guys in there who were pretty ripped, testing at 30%.

but regardless, ive tried bf tests at several diffrent places. 22% isnt fat. Everyone sort of thinks that 13% is average... its not.
18% is probably the average for most people in reality.

 

[JKurz1]

yeah its very hard to get an accurate percentage of what your bf% is. The gym i used to work at had a sckewed chart that we compared the skin fold measurements against. It was designed to put everyone up like 10%. Cause i had some guys in there who were pretty ripped, testing at 30%.

but regardless, ive tried bf tests at several diffrent places. 22% isnt fat. Everyone sort of thinks that 13% is average... its not.
18% is probably the average for most people in reality.

No, bruh..the average for males under 50 (differs the younger you get) is about 11%-17%..........for females it's about 15-23%.........22% is obviously on the high end........plain and simple, no need to add ADDITIONAL fat at this size........

 

[hammertime30]

At 21% bf he can gain muscle and loose fat at the same time with a semi-tight diet.

He just has to be fairly dialed in to it.

He should stay away from an all-out bulk though thats for sure.

Come on man...In reality if he already 21% bf what makes you think his diet is going to be dialed in to lose it while cycling....Diet becomes a habit, for humans are creatures of habit so if he got up to 21% bf in the first place, it's because he has no clue about proper dieting to minimize fat gain...Being that he refuses to lose weight before cycling, I guarantee that he's too fucking lazy to actually put some real effort into his diet and is just looking at AAS as the miracle cure to looking like Arnold! Like most of these fat asses who look to weight watchers, fat burners, lipo suction, tummy tucks...Instead of good old fashion hard core training, discipline and the simple logic that eating too many fucking potatoe chips over time will make you fat....drinking too many fucking beers a day will make you fat...eating too fucking much period will make you FAT!

 

[DIVISION]

I have a friend is going to start a bulking cycle soon. My only concern is that he's at 22% bf already and refuses to try to lose weight. Should I be concerned for his health and try to convince him otherwise or leave him be? What kind of health risks does he face if he does do a bulk cycle now?

Eh holmes, have you decided what you're gonna tell him?

holla.....

DIV

 

[halfaclue]

No, bruh..the average for males under 50 (differs the younger you get) is about 11%-17%..........for females it's about 15-23%.........22% is obviously on the high end........plain and simple, no need to add ADDITIONAL fat at this size........

J dog...I normally agree with most of your views but this one I have to call bullshit on. Where did you find those numbers? I sat through a sports nutrition seminar at Syracuse university this summer. The numbers they gave for healthly men under 35yrs old was 18-21%...Off season athletes 15-17% and in season athletes 12-15%.

 

[hammertime30]

J dog...I normally agree with most of your views but this one I have to call bullshit on. Where did you find those numbers? I sat through a sports nutrition seminar at Syracuse university this summer. The numbers they gave for healthly men under 35yrs old was 18-21%...Off season athletes 15-17% and in season athletes 12-15%.

They said healthy males...There are people under 10% bf who's health is shit, but that has nothing to do with what is a good bf %, for using AAS @ 22% bf regardless as to how healthy my man is, is too fucking high!
1. he's more prone to gyno
2. he's more prone to high blood pressure
3. It's a clear indication that he doesn't know how to diet properly so he's more prone to get even fatter, thus increasing possible other issues later. Yes you can be healthy by a doctor's/societies perspective, but it doesn't mean that you diet properly to minimize fat gain!

 

[DIVISION]

They said healthy males...There are people under 10% bf who's health is shit, but that has nothing to do with what is a good bf %, for using AAS @ 22% bf regardless as to how healthy my man is, is too fucking high!
1. he's more prone to gyno
2. he's more prone to high blood pressure
3. It's a clear indication that he doesn't know how to diet properly so he's more prone to get even fatter, thus increasing possible other issues later. Yes you can be healthy by a doctor's/societies perspective, but it doesn't mean that you diet properly to minimize fat gain!

I agree with this. Having high BF% is not justifiable because you are a BB. It's unhealthy no matter how you slice and dice it. This is truth.

DIV

 

[JKurz1]

J dog...I normally agree with most of your views but this one I have to call bullshit on. Where did you find those numbers? I sat through a sports nutrition seminar at Syracuse university this summer. The numbers they gave for healthly men under 35yrs old was 18-21%...Off season athletes 15-17% and in season athletes 12-15%.

You'll learn not to call bullshit on me very often.....I expect an apology....

Your Ideal Body Fat Percentage
The absolute perfect body fat percentage does NOT exist. Age and gender make a big contribution to the ideal value, but most importantly...
Everyone is an individual. Some people might feel and perform better at a higher or lower body fat percentage than others of the same age and sex. That's why...

Ranges and guidelines exist. Have a look at the tables below. The first table gives the ideal body fat percentage ranges for the general population. The second table is the average body fat percentage for different athletes. The important thing to remember is...

Anywhere inside the range is good. Staying below the upper limit should be your target but as you'll soon see lower is not necessarily better.


Body Fat Percentage for The Average Population
Age Up to 30 30-50 50+
Females 14-21% 15-23% 16-25%
Males 9-15% 11-17% 12-19%


Average Body Fat Percentage of Athletes
Sport Male Female Sport Male Female
Baseball 12-15% 12-18% Rowing 6-14% 12-18%
Basketball 6-12% 20-27% Shot Putters 16-20% 20-28%
Body building 5-8% 10-15% Skiing (X country) 7-12% 16-22%
Cycling 5-15% 15-20% Sprinters 8-10% 12-20%
Football (Backs) 9-12% No data Swimming 9-12% 14-24%
Football (Linemen) 15-19% No data Tennis 12-16% 16-24%
Gymnastics 5-12% 10-16% Triathlon 5-12% 10-15%
> High/long Jumpers 7-12% 10-18% Volleyball 11-14% 16-25%
Ice/field Hockey 8-15% 12-18% Weightlifters 9-16% No data
Racquetball 8-13% 15-22% Wrestlers 5-16% No data

 

[Slyder190]

At 21% bf he can gain muscle and loose fat at the same time with a semi-tight diet.

He just has to be fairly dialed in to it.

He should stay away from an all-out bulk though thats for sure.

True.

 

[KINGKONG69000]

SO THAT CHART SAYS average ideal is 9-15% for a male under 30, so ideal means being skinny as hell. when i was at 20%bf, measured with calipers, doing a 4 poin test, you could see the out line of my abs.
also, not everyguy has genetics to be 9-15%, and not everyne is wants to be a bodybuilder, some guys are into it for strength, and some just size. id say for this guy it depends on how long he has been working out for, and what kind gains he has made in the past.

 

[ohashi]

when i was at 20%bf, measured with calipers, doing a 4 poin test,

Even though the four-point test is horribly inaccurate, whomever was doing the test for you must have really sucked ass to be that far off.

 

[Singleton]

21% is pretty fucking fat, no matter how you try to justify it.

fuckin-a right man!

And steroids won't get him in shape. The one thing I love about conditioning: No fucking juice will do it for you. Getting shredded requires individual, disciplined effort.

Give consistant, hard work. Expect slow progress,

 

[dr0832]

Why are you guys arguing over this. Its this guys own choice. If he wants to become an even more fat ass then he already is so be it. He'll realize he made a bad decision and hopefully start to diet and get his fat ass into shape. 21% is fat. Its not obese but its definitely not a good place to be at, especially if youw anan bulk but thats just my opinion.