Bulk & Cut, 1 or 2 cycles?

[Dantes]

This summer I want to put on about 25lbs of muscle, and be cut for September 1st. I can start May 1st (have to recover from Gyno surgery). I'm 5'9", 170, 11%+/- BF, and have one real cycle under my belt which was 500mg of Sust w/ a little Fina at the end.

I see things two ways:
a) Bulk, then come off... then start a cutting cycle.
b) Bulk, then go right into cutting. (but I would be on for almost 16 weeks)

I was thinking of running 600mg of of Cyp or Ethanate for 8-10, and then lower the dose to maybe 400mg and throw in some fina, winny, & clen. My reason for staying on for the full 16, is so I only have to jumpstart my HPTA once. However with 16 weeks, I'm worried that being on that long might be too much for someone with limited juice experience.

Whadda ya guys think?

 

[maxes21]

if i were u id do 600mg cyp for 6-7 weeks and throw some d-bol in there for 4-5 weeks, ranging from 25-40mg like this maybe

dbol 25mg,30mg, 35,40, 40mg for 5 weeks
and the test at 600mg a week

that will be a great 2nd bulking cycle for you.

and then wait another 6-7 weeks and then start your cytting cycle with some eq winny tren and t3, youll sure as hell gain atleast 10-15lbs of some good lean mass

u have lots of time to decide so go with what fits u the most

btw in your first cycle when did u gain most your weight and how well did u react the to juice??

 

[serge]

bulk on test+deca+dboll for 8 weeks, then cut on tren+test+winny for 8 weeks, dont take time off in between, its useless to restore your hpta is you will shut it back down right afterwards

 

[maxes21]

what kind of dosages should he take for the 16 weeks, since he only has one cycle under his belt. also what other dosages do u think he should use for the deca,d-bol,tren and winny. 16 weeks is sure a long time for only a second cycle dont u think??

 

[serge]

what kind of dosages should he take for the 16 weeks, since he only has one cycle under his belt. also what other dosages do u think he should use for the deca,d-bol,tren and winny. 16 weeks is sure a long time for only a second cycle dont u think??

bulking phase:
test 600mg/week
deca 400mg/week
dbol 30mg/ed

arimidex at .25mg/ed or clomid at 100mg/ed or nolvadex at 10mg/ed should be used during the bulking phase

cutting phase:

tren 50mg/ed
winny 50mg/ed
test 200mg/week

nolvadex 20mg/ed should be taken during the cutting phase to block the estrogen receptor sites so water retension is eliminated, i find arimidex not as effective at minimizing bloat as nolvas

 

[Krusher]

I agree with the plan Serge has outlined...although I find arimidex to be excellent at eliminateing bloat.

 

[Dantes]

Thanks for all the help so far. My reaction to 500mg of Sust was this: I went from 145 (pretty fucking cut but scrawny mofo) to 177 (almost 180 if I weighed myself in the evening) and I gained way, way too much fat. No major side effects; BP didn't go up much, no hairloss, a bit of Acne, and I think I might have more body hair. Nothing that a razor and tanning won't take care of.

Do you think that by doing two separate cycles that I'll keep more gains long term, or would I keep more with just one big one.

Is it even realistic to expect to gain muscle on a cutting cycle? What is the minimum amount of gear I could use while dieting to maintain muscle mass and gain hardness?

Thanks again.

D

 

[serge]

"Do you think that by doing two separate cycles that I'll keep more gains long term, or would I keep more with just one big one."

NO, no matter how carefull you are in you post cycle therapy so catabolism will occure. why restore hpta 2 times istead of only once?

"Is it even realistic to expect to gain muscle on a cutting cycle? What is the minimum amount of gear I could use while dieting to maintain muscle mass and gain hardness?"

one again no, or maybe a little depending on how far from your genetic potential you are, how low you keep your cals and how much gear you choose to take.

drug choice, at your weight i think tren 75mg/eod and winny 50mg/ed will do the job.

Thanks again.