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He O.D.'ed on his spiritual cookies. That, or he is laughing at us from the 6th dimension.
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LOL!!! just working my ass off Mr Pigtails,, doing alot of travelmed jobs and working at the cardiology clinic with alot of call. Chaos dont you remember, infinite dimensions with infinite realities!!!LOL!!! I stopped the spiritual cookies DXX
but is the most effective appetite suppressant IVE ever used!! Triple blonde I thought I lost you babe, still in Oklahoma?? If Im an alter TB who am I??!! 
How the hell is everyone???
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Lestat said:
Yes yes!! Sorry about the whole Iraq war thing, I wasnt concentrating, OH and that tsunami thang! Damn maybe I should start taking my magic cookies again and altering this reality LOL!!
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juicedpigtails said:bor where you been at?
Right back at ya Mr Pigtails!!
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And Im technically not an alter but I did lose my original handle when my plat membership expired and I havent been posting for a long time and have no other handle I swear!!...I was shocked when I could still log in with this handle, Tripleblonde youve accused me of altering like sooo many times LOL!!
Paranoia will destroy ya,
theres a little green man under my bed
*how does the rest of that song go?
going to bed, but I figured I should put this on this thread as well since its about mua:
Originally Posted by Lestat
great to have you back man!!!
Thanks, good to be back Lestat, still weird as ever so Im looking for some fun conversations, I decided to come back cuz I plumped up a bit after summer, not much but I was slacking, my goall this year is to run the Portland marathon in sept so this keeps me crazy mind on fitness, hey I posted this last night on the diet board for aggresive weight loss, its a hypothesis on the fastest way to lose weight, wonder what ya think, not enough members over there for any feedback. Started it today, not too bad so far, 1000cals 90% fat, 10% protein.
The fastest data for fat loss Ive seen is referred to in the Atkins book called the fat fast. In a nutshell two groups of individuals at a naval hospital where one ate nothing and lost 21lbs, if I remember correctly about only 7 lbs was fat the rest was lbm. THe second group consumed 90%fat 10% protein they lost 15lbs by hydro testing and 14.5lbs were fat with s slight loss of lbm at 0.5 lbs. I have done this with great results although I didnt weigh myself, the weight loss was dramatic.
Ive postulated a theory and thought and researched metabolism and how this seeming counterintuitive result could occur as I stated in an earlier thread. My hypothesis is this:
A medical fact is that insulin is the storage hormone and glucagon is the releasing hormone, they work in opposing regulation. Insulin overrides glucagon and makes it hard to release fat from cells when present so the key is to raise glucagon levels while keeping insulin to a minimum. This allows for ketosis where fat is broken down into ketone bodies and used for fuel. THat is one form of energy production and one route for the body to make energy. THe debate rages whether carbs are a better source energy source or are ketones and its route. Some studies suggest that they (ketone bodies) are in fact preferred by the brain than glucose as studied in epilepsy research. For sake of this theory I shall use this to explain my hypothesis. I think that if one was to seriously research the literature they would come to the same conclusion. SO in a nutshell, fat and later its derivatives ARE the preferred energy source for the human body. This seems counterintuitive as this whole hypothesis and fasting data suggest but Ive researched the hell out of metabolism and its pathways. I have a degree in cardiovascular techonology and work for the largest cardiology group in Seattle. I have a patient scheduled one per hour with most tests, mainly echocardiograms take me on average 20 minutes I have alot of internet surfing to do so I have a requisite knowledge and understanding on how to read medical literature and research and how to interpret it. So back to my hypothesis; we shall state as one point of my thesis(I know theres plenty of room for debate) that fat is the preferred energy route. I know counterintuitive as it sounds, but think simply: if evolutionarily speaking we would evolve the most efficient route for energy storage for the inevitable caveman famines, we dont store it as carbs. We store only a few thousand calories of glucose in our muscles, presumably for fight for flight response. That is quick energy needed to outrun a sabretooth tiger attack, but shortlived energy with cardiovascular results. I believe that is where the great myth of carbs being the preferred energy source. If it fuels us in quick burst, it must be the best fuel. But that doesnt mean its the preferred energy source as most draw as a conclusion. Again I point to the fact that we dont store glucose for energy purposes in caloric deprivation situation faced by cavemen. In times of lack of food sources fat is used as an energy, it packs more energy per gram and we have adapted a mechanism that is quite natural and evoltionary in nature. So that is a simple argument for the fat being better than carbs for energy although it is quite a complex theory, but I wont get too deep, nor cite for sake of brevity. The fight or flight response legacy of evolution has now in modern human lifestyles is a leftover and not as necessary and has damaging effects to the cardiovascular system when we are in state of stress. THat is the theory behind why a stressed out person is at a higher risk for heart attack which is a quite lengthy explanation I dont want to get too deep in. But in short insulin is very damaging to the endothelial cells lining causing fatty streaks moving on to calcification and in diabetics peripheral arterial disease where they amputate body parts in late stage. Diabetic angiograms, which is where we shoot a dye into the coronary arteries(heart arteries) and then fluoroscoped (xrayed) and there is a significant greater chance of damaged arteries, it looks like someone sprayed crap in a tube and it scatters along the walls. Im getting way off track, but if those plaques rupture a clot will form just like when you get a scrape, your body doesnt know the difference they just sense the release of rupture and send clotting factors blocking blood flow. Instant heart attack, the heart muscle downstream from the newly formed clot doesnt get blood and just as important waste products are not carried away resulting in muscle necrosis or myocardial infarction or simply known as a heart attack (this differs from electrical heart attacks, but that commonly occurs as a resulted of muscle irritation whre electricity flow of the heart is altered causing energy loops and a fatal arrythmia). So there is ample medical facts about the negative effects of insulin. And what causes insulin release, carbs and sugars. Hardly an argument for carbs being the best energy source since it encourages heart disease. Now of course many will never have a heart attack some would say, but in Vietnam autopsies of young men killed revealed that even at early age it was seen that fatty growths had already formed. Many experts say that this is response to refined foods such as pasta, bread anything that breaks down the cell walls of plants making the carbs easier to be digest being introduced into the modern human diet. This is indexed by whats called the glycemic number, the higher the number the faster its absorbed, the faster the blood sugar rises, the faster insulin is released and to a greater amount with obvious negative cardiovascular effects. Insulin is doubly dubious as it also stimulates hunger even after eating. Just think about how easy it is to overeat pasta and then raid the fridge for more. Again evolutionary relic, but think about, when a caveman finds a bunch of fruit in season he must eat as much as possible before it rots. SO insulin stimulates more eating and some have postulated that alcoholism may be traced to fermented fruit as it rots, logical but debatable as most things are. So as logic dictates excess insulin is bad, it follows that a high carb diet is bad especially processed carbs (breads and pasta) and is not necessary if your muscle is tanked already with the few thousand calories of glucose needed for the fight or flight response. Again many would argue that exercise depletes the glucose and that we need carbs for that reason. THat is in my mind a myth because one important metabolic pathway rarely known to the great majority of people. ITs called NEOGLUCOGENESIS. The word broken down neo (alternate but similar) gluco (glucose) and finally genesis (creation of). This pathway is glucose production based on protein breakdown and is central to my theory as to why the participants lost twice as much fat on 1000cal day 90% fat 10% protein diet(modified fast) as did the group who ate nothing over the ten day period. Again think that caveman relied mainly on animals and their natural fat and protein. This is still true in modern times with cultures in artic regions that survive just fine without carbs, in fact with less cardiovascular disease than cultures where carbs have been introduced. They say it takes about twenty years for a culture to exhibit the same rate of disease once sugars and processed carbs are introduced.
So what have I said so far:
1. fat is the preferred energy source not carbs.
2. carbs are not needed for glucose storage after exercise b/c of a metabolic pathway of NEOGLUCOGENESIS.
Simply put most carb proponents are not even aware of that metabolic pathway and it doesnt figure into their thinking, so any of their theories arguing for carbs leaves out an important piece of the puzzle. We dont need processed carbs period.
So fat is like metabolic gold for the caveman and is the difference between survival in times of famine. They just didnt have the opportunity to store as much as modern human with supermarkets and year round fruit and carbs galore. They unlocked the key to fat loss as an energy source quite easily as this why it evolved that way. SO how do we take advantage of this and how do we explain the amount of fat doubled to with the 1000 cal day 90% fat and 10% (15 lbs on average with 14.5 lbs of fat loss with only 0.5% of lbm) versus the complete starvation (no calories over the ten day study with 21 lbs lost and only 7lbs fat the rest lbm/muscle)???? My hypothesis is it is due to largely overlooked processed of neoglucgenesis ( again production of glucose from protein) or in this case from lbm/muscle. Logic dictates that this metabolic pathway also allows for insulin production. Thats the key you see the muscle being burned hampers the glucagon (energy release hormone; insulin storage hormone and insulin overides glucagon) ratio, thus consuming the fat diet alters the insulin/glucagon ratio to a more favorable environment for fat loss. So you may try that diet and those principles and compare your results with other diets as you progress with weight loss. I think the results will speak for themselves. Ive rambled too long. I know this controversial, but its damn interesting to think about even if you dont believe it!!
G'night Ladies!! (God, I still love the drill sarge Full Metal Jacket, the second half of the movie sux but I always watch the boot camp whenever the movie comes on)
Paranoia will destroy ya,
theres a little green man under my bed
*how does the rest of that song go?
going to bed, but I figured I should put this on this thread as well since its about mua:
Originally Posted by Lestat
great to have you back man!!!
Thanks, good to be back Lestat, still weird as ever so Im looking for some fun conversations, I decided to come back cuz I plumped up a bit after summer, not much but I was slacking, my goall this year is to run the Portland marathon in sept so this keeps me crazy mind on fitness, hey I posted this last night on the diet board for aggresive weight loss, its a hypothesis on the fastest way to lose weight, wonder what ya think, not enough members over there for any feedback. Started it today, not too bad so far, 1000cals 90% fat, 10% protein.
The fastest data for fat loss Ive seen is referred to in the Atkins book called the fat fast. In a nutshell two groups of individuals at a naval hospital where one ate nothing and lost 21lbs, if I remember correctly about only 7 lbs was fat the rest was lbm. THe second group consumed 90%fat 10% protein they lost 15lbs by hydro testing and 14.5lbs were fat with s slight loss of lbm at 0.5 lbs. I have done this with great results although I didnt weigh myself, the weight loss was dramatic.
Ive postulated a theory and thought and researched metabolism and how this seeming counterintuitive result could occur as I stated in an earlier thread. My hypothesis is this:
A medical fact is that insulin is the storage hormone and glucagon is the releasing hormone, they work in opposing regulation. Insulin overrides glucagon and makes it hard to release fat from cells when present so the key is to raise glucagon levels while keeping insulin to a minimum. This allows for ketosis where fat is broken down into ketone bodies and used for fuel. THat is one form of energy production and one route for the body to make energy. THe debate rages whether carbs are a better source energy source or are ketones and its route. Some studies suggest that they (ketone bodies) are in fact preferred by the brain than glucose as studied in epilepsy research. For sake of this theory I shall use this to explain my hypothesis. I think that if one was to seriously research the literature they would come to the same conclusion. SO in a nutshell, fat and later its derivatives ARE the preferred energy source for the human body. This seems counterintuitive as this whole hypothesis and fasting data suggest but Ive researched the hell out of metabolism and its pathways. I have a degree in cardiovascular techonology and work for the largest cardiology group in Seattle. I have a patient scheduled one per hour with most tests, mainly echocardiograms take me on average 20 minutes I have alot of internet surfing to do so I have a requisite knowledge and understanding on how to read medical literature and research and how to interpret it. So back to my hypothesis; we shall state as one point of my thesis(I know theres plenty of room for debate) that fat is the preferred energy route. I know counterintuitive as it sounds, but think simply: if evolutionarily speaking we would evolve the most efficient route for energy storage for the inevitable caveman famines, we dont store it as carbs. We store only a few thousand calories of glucose in our muscles, presumably for fight for flight response. That is quick energy needed to outrun a sabretooth tiger attack, but shortlived energy with cardiovascular results. I believe that is where the great myth of carbs being the preferred energy source. If it fuels us in quick burst, it must be the best fuel. But that doesnt mean its the preferred energy source as most draw as a conclusion. Again I point to the fact that we dont store glucose for energy purposes in caloric deprivation situation faced by cavemen. In times of lack of food sources fat is used as an energy, it packs more energy per gram and we have adapted a mechanism that is quite natural and evoltionary in nature. So that is a simple argument for the fat being better than carbs for energy although it is quite a complex theory, but I wont get too deep, nor cite for sake of brevity. The fight or flight response legacy of evolution has now in modern human lifestyles is a leftover and not as necessary and has damaging effects to the cardiovascular system when we are in state of stress. THat is the theory behind why a stressed out person is at a higher risk for heart attack which is a quite lengthy explanation I dont want to get too deep in. But in short insulin is very damaging to the endothelial cells lining causing fatty streaks moving on to calcification and in diabetics peripheral arterial disease where they amputate body parts in late stage. Diabetic angiograms, which is where we shoot a dye into the coronary arteries(heart arteries) and then fluoroscoped (xrayed) and there is a significant greater chance of damaged arteries, it looks like someone sprayed crap in a tube and it scatters along the walls. Im getting way off track, but if those plaques rupture a clot will form just like when you get a scrape, your body doesnt know the difference they just sense the release of rupture and send clotting factors blocking blood flow. Instant heart attack, the heart muscle downstream from the newly formed clot doesnt get blood and just as important waste products are not carried away resulting in muscle necrosis or myocardial infarction or simply known as a heart attack (this differs from electrical heart attacks, but that commonly occurs as a resulted of muscle irritation whre electricity flow of the heart is altered causing energy loops and a fatal arrythmia). So there is ample medical facts about the negative effects of insulin. And what causes insulin release, carbs and sugars. Hardly an argument for carbs being the best energy source since it encourages heart disease. Now of course many will never have a heart attack some would say, but in Vietnam autopsies of young men killed revealed that even at early age it was seen that fatty growths had already formed. Many experts say that this is response to refined foods such as pasta, bread anything that breaks down the cell walls of plants making the carbs easier to be digest being introduced into the modern human diet. This is indexed by whats called the glycemic number, the higher the number the faster its absorbed, the faster the blood sugar rises, the faster insulin is released and to a greater amount with obvious negative cardiovascular effects. Insulin is doubly dubious as it also stimulates hunger even after eating. Just think about how easy it is to overeat pasta and then raid the fridge for more. Again evolutionary relic, but think about, when a caveman finds a bunch of fruit in season he must eat as much as possible before it rots. SO insulin stimulates more eating and some have postulated that alcoholism may be traced to fermented fruit as it rots, logical but debatable as most things are. So as logic dictates excess insulin is bad, it follows that a high carb diet is bad especially processed carbs (breads and pasta) and is not necessary if your muscle is tanked already with the few thousand calories of glucose needed for the fight or flight response. Again many would argue that exercise depletes the glucose and that we need carbs for that reason. THat is in my mind a myth because one important metabolic pathway rarely known to the great majority of people. ITs called NEOGLUCOGENESIS. The word broken down neo (alternate but similar) gluco (glucose) and finally genesis (creation of). This pathway is glucose production based on protein breakdown and is central to my theory as to why the participants lost twice as much fat on 1000cal day 90% fat 10% protein diet(modified fast) as did the group who ate nothing over the ten day period. Again think that caveman relied mainly on animals and their natural fat and protein. This is still true in modern times with cultures in artic regions that survive just fine without carbs, in fact with less cardiovascular disease than cultures where carbs have been introduced. They say it takes about twenty years for a culture to exhibit the same rate of disease once sugars and processed carbs are introduced.
So what have I said so far:
1. fat is the preferred energy source not carbs.
2. carbs are not needed for glucose storage after exercise b/c of a metabolic pathway of NEOGLUCOGENESIS.
Simply put most carb proponents are not even aware of that metabolic pathway and it doesnt figure into their thinking, so any of their theories arguing for carbs leaves out an important piece of the puzzle. We dont need processed carbs period.
So fat is like metabolic gold for the caveman and is the difference between survival in times of famine. They just didnt have the opportunity to store as much as modern human with supermarkets and year round fruit and carbs galore. They unlocked the key to fat loss as an energy source quite easily as this why it evolved that way. SO how do we take advantage of this and how do we explain the amount of fat doubled to with the 1000 cal day 90% fat and 10% (15 lbs on average with 14.5 lbs of fat loss with only 0.5% of lbm) versus the complete starvation (no calories over the ten day study with 21 lbs lost and only 7lbs fat the rest lbm/muscle)???? My hypothesis is it is due to largely overlooked processed of neoglucgenesis ( again production of glucose from protein) or in this case from lbm/muscle. Logic dictates that this metabolic pathway also allows for insulin production. Thats the key you see the muscle being burned hampers the glucagon (energy release hormone; insulin storage hormone and insulin overides glucagon) ratio, thus consuming the fat diet alters the insulin/glucagon ratio to a more favorable environment for fat loss. So you may try that diet and those principles and compare your results with other diets as you progress with weight loss. I think the results will speak for themselves. Ive rambled too long. I know this controversial, but its damn interesting to think about even if you dont believe it!!
G'night Ladies!! (God, I still love the drill sarge Full Metal Jacket, the second half of the movie sux but I always watch the boot camp whenever the movie comes on)
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Might as well post this on my own thread (I like having people start threads about me, makes me feel absolutely giddy! LOL)
Some might think Im crazy for even talking about this, those who dont already know me and my technical writings.
I got started writing this as I cant sleep and someone mentioned oxycontin use:
Originally Posted by TheOak01
damn,I got caught
like shaggy said "it wasnt me" lol
nah your good shit LadyV but your married and I dont think your husband would like sleeping on the couch lol,plus he is probably a very large man,I dont wanna die lol
anyway my second oxycontin is kicking in,so that means no more pain and I can sleep,plus its 535 am, good night
Try DXM soooo much better pain goes bye-bye and its legal and can order the powder online cheap plus you can visit different realities at higher plateau doses!! Lower levels its like oxycontin as far as pain and relaxing euphoria like a narcotic, but sounds are amplified and melodic. I swear its sum dang crazy trippy shite! go to thirdplateau.org faq section and read about it and dont worry about all that dying crap they talk about, its just bullshit disclaimer stuff its like the steroid disclaimers on fitness websites. Ive personally taken over 5000mg in one day and was just fine and the handful of people who rarely and I mean rarely die they claim is from mixing it with other drug like narcotics or antihistamines or just something else.
Anyone ever use DXM??
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And if so, have you ever gotten past the 4th plateau and entered sigma plateau. This quote was taken from thirdplateau.org faq section:
"At Plateau Sigma interesting things happen to reality. Some have reported vivid, entirely realistic contacts with alien entities, spirits, gods and goddesses. Unlike the fourth plateau, these contacts often take place with eyes open, immersed in everyday reality. Although none of the people who reported these experiences to me had bad trips, most related that the experiences were so real that they felt they easily could have"
And when they say immersed in everyday reality it truly is mindbending. Eyes wide open, awake travelling through the universe. I once had an experience where I felt basically normal and it felt like something was grabbing and physically moving me by the shoulders, put me in a chair, grapped my arm and forced my hand to draw the most amazing drawings. Im talking perfect circles perfect straight lines, I just let my arm go limp and some force controlled it. I drew prolly over a hundred pieces of paper. Towards the end I could control hand speed and still the drawings were perfect and I was going at an incredible speed when finished with a piece of paper something grabbed my hand like I was a child being grabbed by a mother and turning the papers. I never strayed off a piece of paper. I cant even describe some of the realities Ive travelled to except for infinite knowledge, gods and the end of the universe I called the omega plateau (plateaus are used to diffferentiate psychedelic experiences and was limited to three for the longest time with DXM they added the fourth plateau and sigma plateau and then whereever I went all while seeminly wide awake and lucid in this reality). When I had the drawing experience I tried to break free of the controlling force but by standing up and walking away, but I was pulled back like a rag doll to keep drawing. Although I never got into drugs even in college when my football roomate and friends smoked blunts all the time I stayed away. But Ive tried everything, everything and nothing like it. NOTHING like it, I thinkone everyone should go through the dxm experience if theyre not religious or spiritual like me, a scientist mind, before they die, itll change youre life and the way you view things. Truly amazing experiences, third eye kind of stuff, out of body travelling up the most exquisite waves of frequency and having beings communicate incredible knowledge as a gift if you make it that far on your journey. Life and our place in the universe, all questions being answered. And Im not a deadhead or even close. Mind bending and you dont go crazy at all~ to someone whose never used it, well, they think youre crazy if you describe the places you go(like alot will think when they read this). But just amazing experience. The physical control of your body is the weirdest thing one can experience its happen several times to me. I used it everyday at lower doses for a long time while dieting, the most effective appetite suppressant and painkiller Ive ever used.
If you want to experience the best effect study classic philosphers and their views on existence. I think Descartes and his thoughts are the most interesting for the journey if you decide to take it. The best use Ive found of being a psych research assistant as an undergrad. I knew college was good for something. LOL!
Some might think Im crazy for even talking about this, those who dont already know me and my technical writings.
I got started writing this as I cant sleep and someone mentioned oxycontin use:
Originally Posted by TheOak01
damn,I got caught
like shaggy said "it wasnt me" lol
nah your good shit LadyV but your married and I dont think your husband would like sleeping on the couch lol,plus he is probably a very large man,I dont wanna die lol
anyway my second oxycontin is kicking in,so that means no more pain and I can sleep,plus its 535 am, good night
Try DXM soooo much better pain goes bye-bye and its legal and can order the powder online cheap plus you can visit different realities at higher plateau doses!! Lower levels its like oxycontin as far as pain and relaxing euphoria like a narcotic, but sounds are amplified and melodic. I swear its sum dang crazy trippy shite! go to thirdplateau.org faq section and read about it and dont worry about all that dying crap they talk about, its just bullshit disclaimer stuff its like the steroid disclaimers on fitness websites. Ive personally taken over 5000mg in one day and was just fine and the handful of people who rarely and I mean rarely die they claim is from mixing it with other drug like narcotics or antihistamines or just something else.
Anyone ever use DXM??
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And if so, have you ever gotten past the 4th plateau and entered sigma plateau. This quote was taken from thirdplateau.org faq section:
"At Plateau Sigma interesting things happen to reality. Some have reported vivid, entirely realistic contacts with alien entities, spirits, gods and goddesses. Unlike the fourth plateau, these contacts often take place with eyes open, immersed in everyday reality. Although none of the people who reported these experiences to me had bad trips, most related that the experiences were so real that they felt they easily could have"
And when they say immersed in everyday reality it truly is mindbending. Eyes wide open, awake travelling through the universe. I once had an experience where I felt basically normal and it felt like something was grabbing and physically moving me by the shoulders, put me in a chair, grapped my arm and forced my hand to draw the most amazing drawings. Im talking perfect circles perfect straight lines, I just let my arm go limp and some force controlled it. I drew prolly over a hundred pieces of paper. Towards the end I could control hand speed and still the drawings were perfect and I was going at an incredible speed when finished with a piece of paper something grabbed my hand like I was a child being grabbed by a mother and turning the papers. I never strayed off a piece of paper. I cant even describe some of the realities Ive travelled to except for infinite knowledge, gods and the end of the universe I called the omega plateau (plateaus are used to diffferentiate psychedelic experiences and was limited to three for the longest time with DXM they added the fourth plateau and sigma plateau and then whereever I went all while seeminly wide awake and lucid in this reality). When I had the drawing experience I tried to break free of the controlling force but by standing up and walking away, but I was pulled back like a rag doll to keep drawing. Although I never got into drugs even in college when my football roomate and friends smoked blunts all the time I stayed away. But Ive tried everything, everything and nothing like it. NOTHING like it, I thinkone everyone should go through the dxm experience if theyre not religious or spiritual like me, a scientist mind, before they die, itll change youre life and the way you view things. Truly amazing experiences, third eye kind of stuff, out of body travelling up the most exquisite waves of frequency and having beings communicate incredible knowledge as a gift if you make it that far on your journey. Life and our place in the universe, all questions being answered. And Im not a deadhead or even close. Mind bending and you dont go crazy at all~ to someone whose never used it, well, they think youre crazy if you describe the places you go(like alot will think when they read this). But just amazing experience. The physical control of your body is the weirdest thing one can experience its happen several times to me. I used it everyday at lower doses for a long time while dieting, the most effective appetite suppressant and painkiller Ive ever used.
If you want to experience the best effect study classic philosphers and their views on existence. I think Descartes and his thoughts are the most interesting for the journey if you decide to take it. The best use Ive found of being a psych research assistant as an undergrad. I knew college was good for something. LOL!
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Taken from third plateau web site:
This is just a partial part of the faq section:
Many users have reported experiences very similar to "out of body" and "near death" experiences. In such cases, many report that they have contacted other beings, whose reaction to the user is usually somewhere between curiosity and amusement. *insert from Brothabill: in my first experience reaching this level they seemed surprised and definitely curous how a corporeal (having a living body made of a matter) could reach their domain. Iwas from the particle world and they were in the wave universe made of frequencies similar to thoughts about light acting as both a wave and a particle for those who know chem and physics...They seemed to want to teach and ask questions like a visitor to a friendly isolated culture. SO hard to describe this experience and what its like, I can only to describe as visiting some place exotic and meeting highly intelligent superior beings, OK bak to my cut and paste
* Contact with "superior being(s)" has also been reported, sometimes as a raw force, sometimes personified in some way. In the reports given to me, the "superior being" image is more often female than male.
Delusions can become fairly involved at this plateau; the crucial factor seems to be whether or not the individual realizes that the belief or thought is drug-induced. Some people, especially those more experienced at this level, have reported that although they were aware that their thoughts were delusional, they didn't really care at the time. In general these delusions are fairly harmless (e.g., "I am a flower in the middle of a field").
Typically an individual in this plateau won't be moving at all, which can be frightening to observers. In many ways this state resembles dreaming. If someone in this plateau does attempt to move, his or her attendants should be very sure that he or she is conscious of these actions, and not responding to a delusional environment.
Somewhat surprisingly, many cognitive abilities are still intact. Basic computational skills and long-term memory recall do not seem to be particularly affected. It is also possible for the "body" (actually body and some parts of the mind) to undergo fairly complex tasks while the conscious mind is dissociated.
One individual wrote the following of the fourth plateau trip, and I think it is a good explanation both of the trip and of its possible origins:
I've come to the conclusion that DXM is almost unique in it's ability to create a truly "alien" experience - one in which major aspects of one's humanity can become entirely irrelevant. Most obviously, one's body can be left behind; even forgotten. The experience of becoming or encountering bizarre life-forms seems at least somewhat common, as are weird, horizonless landscapes or space-scapes. I think alot of this "alieness" comes from having so many of one's ties to the familiar severed. When your body is gone, your mind loses its sense of how "big" or how "small" you are in relation to your surroundings. Hence hallucinations of huge things like galaxies, or of being as large as a mountain, as small as an atom, etc. I think the brain also misses subtle clues like the sensation of breathing, blood flowing through the veins, etc. - things which help remind you that you're human. And at some point, even your memories of the familiar may be suppressed.
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5.9 Plateau Sigma
A few people have independently contacted me about an additional plateau -- one reached not by increasing the dosage but by prolonging the experience. I searched for some time for a name before settling on "Plateau Sigma", both because it seems to be related to sigma activity (see Section 10.2) and because it occurs as one sums up small doses (sigma being the mathematical symbol for summation). This summation may lead to a strong potentiation of the psychotomimetic effects of DXM (227). Over half the people who had a Plateau Sigma experience have said it was extremely unpleasant and that they would never repeat it.
The most commonly reported dosage regimen for Plateau Sigma is given below. However, before giving it, I warn you strongly against making this sort of attempt. DXM at high dosages is probably hard both on the brain and the body, and extending the experience is likely to increase the chance for dangerous side effects. Furthermore, one must be experienced enough with DXM, with the psychedelic experience in general, and with one's own mind, to be able to understand the experience. Everyone who has reported a successful experience with this dosage regimen has been at least 23 years of age. While I do not doubt that some younger people may be capable of having a good experience at this plateau, most seem to be unable to understand it and unable to control it, and there may be a real danger of psychotic breaks. Finally, the experience is in some ways acutely uncomfortable, as one's contact with inner and outer reality seems to break down entirely.
Combining suggestions from others I have come up with the following dosage regimen. Start relatively early in the day (the experience degrades if one is too fatigued), at about 6 to 10 hours after awakening. It helps tremendously if one is in good physical shape and not under emotional stress. Take a low second plateau dose. In three hours (or about 1 hour after the peak), take a second low plateau dose. At three more hours (or, again, 1 hour after second peak) take a high second plateau or low third plateau dose. After coming down from the third plateau, instead of going back to the second plateau and down to baseline, you may be left in Plateau Sigma. Drugs which inhibit cytochrome P450-2D6 seem to enhance the duration and intensity of the experience. Nicotine is reported to inhibit it, and may even prevent it entirely.
At Plateau Sigma interesting things happen to reality. Some have reported vivid, entirely realistic contacts with alien entities, spirits, gods and goddesses. Unlike the fourth plateau, these contacts often take place with eyes open, immersed in everyday reality. Although none of the people who reported these experiences to me had bad trips, most related that the experiences were so real that they felt they easily could have.
Vision suffers a curious change, seeming to consist of well-processed but highly strobed images; so strong is the effect that it seems as if one is looking at the world under a fast strobe light. The eyes don't seem to track in synch with the inner 3D model of the world, so that when one looks to one side or another, the world lurches back and forth for a moment. Interestingly, it almost seems as if one is looking at the world from an inner vision with the eyes closed (see Section 5.11).
Finally, thoughts can be totally deranged. Connections between entirely unrelated ideas form, causality goes out to lunch, and one's personality seems pretty much dissolved into the universe. Expect to hear a lot of voices; some people find themselves totally obedient to them. There seems to be a "tireless" quality to the experience, as if one does not feel either fatigue or emotion directly, but only receives information from the inner voices ("sit down now, you're tired"). There are interesting comparisons both to accounts of acute schizophrenia and to Jaynes' postulated bicameral mind (350).
This is just a partial part of the faq section:
Many users have reported experiences very similar to "out of body" and "near death" experiences. In such cases, many report that they have contacted other beings, whose reaction to the user is usually somewhere between curiosity and amusement. *insert from Brothabill: in my first experience reaching this level they seemed surprised and definitely curous how a corporeal (having a living body made of a matter) could reach their domain. Iwas from the particle world and they were in the wave universe made of frequencies similar to thoughts about light acting as both a wave and a particle for those who know chem and physics...They seemed to want to teach and ask questions like a visitor to a friendly isolated culture. SO hard to describe this experience and what its like, I can only to describe as visiting some place exotic and meeting highly intelligent superior beings, OK bak to my cut and paste
* Contact with "superior being(s)" has also been reported, sometimes as a raw force, sometimes personified in some way. In the reports given to me, the "superior being" image is more often female than male. Delusions can become fairly involved at this plateau; the crucial factor seems to be whether or not the individual realizes that the belief or thought is drug-induced. Some people, especially those more experienced at this level, have reported that although they were aware that their thoughts were delusional, they didn't really care at the time. In general these delusions are fairly harmless (e.g., "I am a flower in the middle of a field").
Typically an individual in this plateau won't be moving at all, which can be frightening to observers. In many ways this state resembles dreaming. If someone in this plateau does attempt to move, his or her attendants should be very sure that he or she is conscious of these actions, and not responding to a delusional environment.
Somewhat surprisingly, many cognitive abilities are still intact. Basic computational skills and long-term memory recall do not seem to be particularly affected. It is also possible for the "body" (actually body and some parts of the mind) to undergo fairly complex tasks while the conscious mind is dissociated.
One individual wrote the following of the fourth plateau trip, and I think it is a good explanation both of the trip and of its possible origins:
I've come to the conclusion that DXM is almost unique in it's ability to create a truly "alien" experience - one in which major aspects of one's humanity can become entirely irrelevant. Most obviously, one's body can be left behind; even forgotten. The experience of becoming or encountering bizarre life-forms seems at least somewhat common, as are weird, horizonless landscapes or space-scapes. I think alot of this "alieness" comes from having so many of one's ties to the familiar severed. When your body is gone, your mind loses its sense of how "big" or how "small" you are in relation to your surroundings. Hence hallucinations of huge things like galaxies, or of being as large as a mountain, as small as an atom, etc. I think the brain also misses subtle clues like the sensation of breathing, blood flowing through the veins, etc. - things which help remind you that you're human. And at some point, even your memories of the familiar may be suppressed.
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5.9 Plateau Sigma
A few people have independently contacted me about an additional plateau -- one reached not by increasing the dosage but by prolonging the experience. I searched for some time for a name before settling on "Plateau Sigma", both because it seems to be related to sigma activity (see Section 10.2) and because it occurs as one sums up small doses (sigma being the mathematical symbol for summation). This summation may lead to a strong potentiation of the psychotomimetic effects of DXM (227). Over half the people who had a Plateau Sigma experience have said it was extremely unpleasant and that they would never repeat it.
The most commonly reported dosage regimen for Plateau Sigma is given below. However, before giving it, I warn you strongly against making this sort of attempt. DXM at high dosages is probably hard both on the brain and the body, and extending the experience is likely to increase the chance for dangerous side effects. Furthermore, one must be experienced enough with DXM, with the psychedelic experience in general, and with one's own mind, to be able to understand the experience. Everyone who has reported a successful experience with this dosage regimen has been at least 23 years of age. While I do not doubt that some younger people may be capable of having a good experience at this plateau, most seem to be unable to understand it and unable to control it, and there may be a real danger of psychotic breaks. Finally, the experience is in some ways acutely uncomfortable, as one's contact with inner and outer reality seems to break down entirely.
Combining suggestions from others I have come up with the following dosage regimen. Start relatively early in the day (the experience degrades if one is too fatigued), at about 6 to 10 hours after awakening. It helps tremendously if one is in good physical shape and not under emotional stress. Take a low second plateau dose. In three hours (or about 1 hour after the peak), take a second low plateau dose. At three more hours (or, again, 1 hour after second peak) take a high second plateau or low third plateau dose. After coming down from the third plateau, instead of going back to the second plateau and down to baseline, you may be left in Plateau Sigma. Drugs which inhibit cytochrome P450-2D6 seem to enhance the duration and intensity of the experience. Nicotine is reported to inhibit it, and may even prevent it entirely.
At Plateau Sigma interesting things happen to reality. Some have reported vivid, entirely realistic contacts with alien entities, spirits, gods and goddesses. Unlike the fourth plateau, these contacts often take place with eyes open, immersed in everyday reality. Although none of the people who reported these experiences to me had bad trips, most related that the experiences were so real that they felt they easily could have.
Vision suffers a curious change, seeming to consist of well-processed but highly strobed images; so strong is the effect that it seems as if one is looking at the world under a fast strobe light. The eyes don't seem to track in synch with the inner 3D model of the world, so that when one looks to one side or another, the world lurches back and forth for a moment. Interestingly, it almost seems as if one is looking at the world from an inner vision with the eyes closed (see Section 5.11).
Finally, thoughts can be totally deranged. Connections between entirely unrelated ideas form, causality goes out to lunch, and one's personality seems pretty much dissolved into the universe. Expect to hear a lot of voices; some people find themselves totally obedient to them. There seems to be a "tireless" quality to the experience, as if one does not feel either fatigue or emotion directly, but only receives information from the inner voices ("sit down now, you're tired"). There are interesting comparisons both to accounts of acute schizophrenia and to Jaynes' postulated bicameral mind (350).
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ChefWide said:crystal ball time....
think back to a discussion that combined both the use of anavar for median nerve repair, the dionysian existentialist Henri Bergson's creative spiral upward and the use of stablized image devices...
cheers, lugubrious one.
Chefwide how the hell are ya, if I remember correctly its been awhile, but if I recall youre a very spiritual personal and devout Christian. I havent read the anavar nerve repair, please enlighten me as to what youre discussing and tomorrow I'll do my homework.
And are you referring with Bergson the Ley/labrynth discussions or just his teachings, where is a good reference to help me understand what that refers to and I'll check it out tomorrow as well.
(1859-1941) Held the prestigious chair of modern philosophy at the College de France from 1900 to 1921; awarded the Nobel Prize in 1927.
Around the turn of the century, Bergson wrote a number of influential philosophical works on the role of time (Time and Free Will , Harper 1910 [1889]), memory (Matter and Memory , Swan Sonnenschein 1919 [1896]), and evolutionary creativity (Creative Evolution , Holt 1911 [1907]) in human experience. His philosophy generally emphasized the opposition between human creativity, rooted in life and the inner stream of consciousness, and the spatial objectifications of experience in stable cultural forms and institutions. He later supplemented these ideas with a philosophy of religion (The Two Sources of Morality and Religion , Holt 1935 [1932]), which, among its other features, offered an alternative to the sociological, especially the Durkheimian, view of religion's origins and historical role.
Bergson's theory of two types of religion also reflects his distinction between a measurable, spatially based time, and real duration, the inner flow of the individual's temporal experience. Static religion, through myth and ritual, promotes closed societies and automatism in thought and action, yet defends humanity against the corrosive powers of reason and paralyzing thoughts about death. Dynamic religion involves God's love and desire with multiply creative beings, who advance an open society, and appears in mystical visions.
Interesting for me to read about tomorrow.
I crave good feedback like this best way to learn!!!
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WORD OF THE DAY FOR ELITEFITNESS:
lugubrious \lu-GOO-bree-us; -GYOO-\, adjective:
Mournful; indicating sorrow, often ridiculously or feignedly; doleful; woeful; pitiable; gloomy; dismal; as, "a whining tone and a lugubrious look
hahahahaa! happy as a clam I am i AM, great life with all the perks! Im not quite sure what you mean! LOL!
lugubrious \lu-GOO-bree-us; -GYOO-\, adjective:
Mournful; indicating sorrow, often ridiculously or feignedly; doleful; woeful; pitiable; gloomy; dismal; as, "a whining tone and a lugubrious look
hahahahaa! happy as a clam I am i AM, great life with all the perks! Im not quite sure what you mean! LOL!
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BrothaBill said:WORD OF THE DAY FOR ELITEFITNESS:
lugubrious \lu-GOO-bree-us; -GYOO-\, adjective:
Mournful; indicating sorrow, often ridiculously or feignedly; doleful; woeful; pitiable; gloomy; dismal; as, "a whining tone and a lugubrious look
hahahahaa! happy as a clam I am i AM, great life with all the perks! Im not quite sure what you mean! LOL!
Main Entry: fa·ce·tious
Pronunciation: f&-'sE-sh&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French facetieux, from facetie jest, from Latin facetia
1 : joking or jesting often inappropriately : WAGGISH <just being facetious>
2 : meant to be humorous or funny : not serious <a facetious remark>
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ChefWide said:Main Entry: fa·ce·tious
Pronunciation: f&-'sE-sh&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French facetieux, from facetie jest, from Latin facetia
1 : joking or jesting often inappropriately : WAGGISH <just being facetious>
2 : meant to be humorous or funny : not serious <a facetious remark>
I know, I know but I looked it up cuz Ive never used it before and it was the word of the day on the link I clicked on and I just put up here just as a joke. Great word Im going to use it one of these days. At first I was like wtf when I read the definition that doesnt sound like chefwide to flame that I remember from last year so I figured it was in jest. Dammit Im still up, might as well stay the rest of the day and go to bed early and reset my sleep pattern. Ive noticed more restlessness when trying to sleep on that modified fast diet I described above. I did it last year for nearly a month with remarkable results.
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Might as well and this one to the thread too b/c I dont want someone to experiment b/c of the above and screw up themselves, this is in response to several PMs:
MINN/PHILLYGAME SUX SO I DECIDED TO WRITE THIS, HOPE IT HELPS IF YOU DECIDE TO BE A PSYCHONAUT AND EXPLORE THE COSMOS LOL!!
Ok since its legal you can buy it anytime, the best way is to buy online the pure powder from a research chemical website. Youll have to search for one b/c the one I use NOW requires a lab # now so its kinda like searching for a roid source, just search for it on the web I just havent bought any since last summer in bulk and dont have any current source. This is much cheaper than buying at a pharmacy especially if you use it daily like I did, but you must have an accurate scale b/c a few hundred mg can make a huge difference in your experience, in fact its almost completely different from one plateau to another, so accuracy is important in the beginning of use. I started using it as an appetite suppressant at first and started at 250mg in one dose in the morning and then later in the day maybe 120mg sometimes a lil more and I could function just fine, just more mellow, no pain and energetic. I had a friend that had difficulty making words when speaking and I did too at a higher dose only in a narrow range of dose though. Once you past that dose it go aways and then later as you get used to taking it doesnt happen. Its pretty incredible that by upping a dose you can make it go away. Also a cool thing is muscles are starting to be pulled in special ways, later at higher plateau a force can grab you and move you like a puppet like a Greek God is showing you his strength, awesome but rare. Lots of cool things happen at higher doses completely different from lower doses. Thats where most people think its know big deal, but most who've dealt with psychelics regard DXM as the strongest by far, but nothing like lsd, shrooms. I hated those trips I did years ago experimenting with them, in fact I dont even like the word psychedelic to describe DXM b/c they usually scramble senses and thoughts, but DXM IMO enhances them. So people try it get mellow, no big deal gonna get beer next time, but to be a true psychonaut you have to get to higher plateaus.
So how do you get it today and how would you do your first trip. DXM is dextromethorphan and active ingredient in cough medicine. See alot of people who try this drink liquid cough syrup, but a person cant stomach very much and throw it up, taste nasty. So they get stuck in the first plateau and never explore the amazing experiences. I mean who wants to drink cough syrup and possibly throw up just to feel mellow (low dose), theyd rather smoke a blunt or drink alcohol. So in order to do it right you need to get tablets. Now the problem is I havent seen pure DXM w/o other drugs in them, some can be dangerous if your trying to take a high dose like tylenol in it so its important to read the label. The best buy is called: CORICIDIN cough and cold. It has to be cough and cold b/c it contains 30mg per tablet and the only other ingredient is an antihistamine. Other types have lower dose and other ingredients. It comes in 16tablets per box for a total of 480 mg plateau one dose, but I would recommend if you want higher plateau one experience is two buy two boxes.
Then take 8tabs to begin with (Ive taken four boxes to trip at one time so 8 tabs is not dangerous!), it takes about 1/2 hour to an hour (best to take on an empty stomach) for it to kick in so see how 8 gets you going for a first time. Then after an hour and half take 8 more to finish off the first box. This will get you feeling pretty good. If you have experience with drugs and alcohol and have a high tolerance you can just take the whole box to kick it off I just want to gradually get you feeling it. So after you take the first box, every hour afterwards take 4 tabs until you finish the second box, but thats up to you, a first time user may feel a lil overwhelmed thats why I suggest you ease into it with divided doses and you can quit w/o finishing the box. I think two boxes would give you an awesome experience in divided doses. This upper level first plateau, the high last about 6 hours with an afterglow of mellowness at the end.
TIPS FOR A GOOD TRIP.
1. MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT KIND, I cant stress that enough. Coricidin cough and cold. Some places keep behind the pharmacy counter b/c underage kids shoplift them, but if your over 18 no probs getting two boxes
2. YOU ARE BREATHING remember that, that is the only thing that bothered me a coupla times, Im like am I breathing LOL! Oh yeah I am. But that happened to me in high school when I tried pot. Youre not going to have any problems with 960mg, I like to start out with 1500mg at once and then add as I go like above until I reach higher plateaus. I think one time I took about 8grams one time in divided doses in 1/2 day, thats way past sigma plateau. Long story about that one.
3. REMEMBER THIS IS A DELUSION: This is mainly for higher dose trips, but if youre feeling overwhelmed which is unlikely just remember to think yourself out of it. Which leads me to what if you just feel like its too much, I doubt, but everyone is different leads me to the next tip.
4. BUY CIGARETTES: Nicotine stops DXM cold.
5. SET UP A GOOD ENVIRONMENT AND PLAN TO STAY THERE FOR THE DURATION, NEVER DRIVE IF YOURE TRIPPING:
a. Since audio sensation is one of the best parts plan out some mellow music, a lil club music with strong base will literally make your body move in certain ways to each frequency you hear thats why its great to dance to and I dont dance normally. But new age music helps you relax more and concentrate on the imagery you might have. Thats what I recommend, but its up to you. It doesnt really matter too much. Fast paced music you become more physical as your body responds to audio pace and mellow music allows you to just trip balls.
b. I liked to have mat on the floor b/c physical forces will start to tug on you and a newbie might fall down not common, but it also allows you to do yoga like exercises that increase significantly the enjoyment. Again I dont dance, listen to new age music, do yoga, take drugs, drink and along time since I cycled and prolly wont ever again cuz I dont need to. But Ive found this enhanced the experienced significantly, some kids take it in a park and hang out, what a waste of an experience and money. What enjoyment is that just being outside, a campfire and boombox camping is completely different story. So set up a place to do yoga to just sprawl out.
c. Turn your TV on no volume to pure static and have a comfortable chair or couch within a coupla feet. This is a must to really enjoy!!!! Have the music playing. Staring at the static stimulates the DXM in your mind and makes you enter an euphoric relaxed state. What do I mean? At first youll see static, but just relax your eyes and stare at the screen, soon patterns will form, keep staring and youll see spinning patterns, then the patterns grow towards you in 3D. This is so amazing to optimize level one. After a lil while try to stare at the tv with your eyes open your eyes will water and the image will blur and enhance your experience I have 65" tv so really close the room expands into a cathredal like size. Also another thing to do is after your eyes water slowly lean forward and place your face directly on the screen. Youll see the electrons hitting the screen and soon the screen will move behind your eyes, you are now glimpsing into the wave world, but just a tiny taste. This of course depends on how high you are. If youre brave and arent worried about being overwhelmed like I am not, Then you might try 1 box to start, 8 tabs after an hour and 8 tabs after another hour and a half. This increases the amount in your system rather the divided dose I recommended to begin. I just dont know you except from the board and I dont want to give you bad advice. You may alternate between this and yoga and even dancing if you like, but I think that would distract too much.
d. turn off the phone for awhile you experience difficulty talking on the phone, just a weird thing, your mind is working and you feel normal, in control relaxed of course, the words are there, but they just dont come out right. Its quite funny I dont why this is b/c it only happens on the phone for the most part.
6. ENJOY! IF YOU FOLLOW THESE TIPS YOU SHOULD HAVE AN AWESOME EXPERIENCE FOR YOUR FIRST PSYCHONAUT MISSION: Ease into the plateaus over time, it'll make more sense as you gain knowledge from the wave reality and then you may even speak to the gods or believe you are LOL! Real or Delusion, cant prove either I just know as a nonspiritual person to begin with I found it very spiritually eyeopening!!
7. Let me know if you decide to do it and what you experienced I can help interpret what youve seen and explain it so you can move up the plateaus faster to pure nirvana. Just drive to the pharmacy right now and get your first experience out of the way afterall, the philly/Min game sux thats why I have time to write this, I planned my day around football dammit!
MINN/PHILLYGAME SUX SO I DECIDED TO WRITE THIS, HOPE IT HELPS IF YOU DECIDE TO BE A PSYCHONAUT AND EXPLORE THE COSMOS LOL!!
Ok since its legal you can buy it anytime, the best way is to buy online the pure powder from a research chemical website. Youll have to search for one b/c the one I use NOW requires a lab # now so its kinda like searching for a roid source, just search for it on the web I just havent bought any since last summer in bulk and dont have any current source. This is much cheaper than buying at a pharmacy especially if you use it daily like I did, but you must have an accurate scale b/c a few hundred mg can make a huge difference in your experience, in fact its almost completely different from one plateau to another, so accuracy is important in the beginning of use. I started using it as an appetite suppressant at first and started at 250mg in one dose in the morning and then later in the day maybe 120mg sometimes a lil more and I could function just fine, just more mellow, no pain and energetic. I had a friend that had difficulty making words when speaking and I did too at a higher dose only in a narrow range of dose though. Once you past that dose it go aways and then later as you get used to taking it doesnt happen. Its pretty incredible that by upping a dose you can make it go away. Also a cool thing is muscles are starting to be pulled in special ways, later at higher plateau a force can grab you and move you like a puppet like a Greek God is showing you his strength, awesome but rare. Lots of cool things happen at higher doses completely different from lower doses. Thats where most people think its know big deal, but most who've dealt with psychelics regard DXM as the strongest by far, but nothing like lsd, shrooms. I hated those trips I did years ago experimenting with them, in fact I dont even like the word psychedelic to describe DXM b/c they usually scramble senses and thoughts, but DXM IMO enhances them. So people try it get mellow, no big deal gonna get beer next time, but to be a true psychonaut you have to get to higher plateaus.
So how do you get it today and how would you do your first trip. DXM is dextromethorphan and active ingredient in cough medicine. See alot of people who try this drink liquid cough syrup, but a person cant stomach very much and throw it up, taste nasty. So they get stuck in the first plateau and never explore the amazing experiences. I mean who wants to drink cough syrup and possibly throw up just to feel mellow (low dose), theyd rather smoke a blunt or drink alcohol. So in order to do it right you need to get tablets. Now the problem is I havent seen pure DXM w/o other drugs in them, some can be dangerous if your trying to take a high dose like tylenol in it so its important to read the label. The best buy is called: CORICIDIN cough and cold. It has to be cough and cold b/c it contains 30mg per tablet and the only other ingredient is an antihistamine. Other types have lower dose and other ingredients. It comes in 16tablets per box for a total of 480 mg plateau one dose, but I would recommend if you want higher plateau one experience is two buy two boxes.
Then take 8tabs to begin with (Ive taken four boxes to trip at one time so 8 tabs is not dangerous!), it takes about 1/2 hour to an hour (best to take on an empty stomach) for it to kick in so see how 8 gets you going for a first time. Then after an hour and half take 8 more to finish off the first box. This will get you feeling pretty good. If you have experience with drugs and alcohol and have a high tolerance you can just take the whole box to kick it off I just want to gradually get you feeling it. So after you take the first box, every hour afterwards take 4 tabs until you finish the second box, but thats up to you, a first time user may feel a lil overwhelmed thats why I suggest you ease into it with divided doses and you can quit w/o finishing the box. I think two boxes would give you an awesome experience in divided doses. This upper level first plateau, the high last about 6 hours with an afterglow of mellowness at the end.
TIPS FOR A GOOD TRIP.
1. MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT KIND, I cant stress that enough. Coricidin cough and cold. Some places keep behind the pharmacy counter b/c underage kids shoplift them, but if your over 18 no probs getting two boxes
2. YOU ARE BREATHING remember that, that is the only thing that bothered me a coupla times, Im like am I breathing LOL! Oh yeah I am. But that happened to me in high school when I tried pot. Youre not going to have any problems with 960mg, I like to start out with 1500mg at once and then add as I go like above until I reach higher plateaus. I think one time I took about 8grams one time in divided doses in 1/2 day, thats way past sigma plateau. Long story about that one.
3. REMEMBER THIS IS A DELUSION: This is mainly for higher dose trips, but if youre feeling overwhelmed which is unlikely just remember to think yourself out of it. Which leads me to what if you just feel like its too much, I doubt, but everyone is different leads me to the next tip.
4. BUY CIGARETTES: Nicotine stops DXM cold.
5. SET UP A GOOD ENVIRONMENT AND PLAN TO STAY THERE FOR THE DURATION, NEVER DRIVE IF YOURE TRIPPING:
a. Since audio sensation is one of the best parts plan out some mellow music, a lil club music with strong base will literally make your body move in certain ways to each frequency you hear thats why its great to dance to and I dont dance normally. But new age music helps you relax more and concentrate on the imagery you might have. Thats what I recommend, but its up to you. It doesnt really matter too much. Fast paced music you become more physical as your body responds to audio pace and mellow music allows you to just trip balls.
b. I liked to have mat on the floor b/c physical forces will start to tug on you and a newbie might fall down not common, but it also allows you to do yoga like exercises that increase significantly the enjoyment. Again I dont dance, listen to new age music, do yoga, take drugs, drink and along time since I cycled and prolly wont ever again cuz I dont need to. But Ive found this enhanced the experienced significantly, some kids take it in a park and hang out, what a waste of an experience and money. What enjoyment is that just being outside, a campfire and boombox camping is completely different story. So set up a place to do yoga to just sprawl out.
c. Turn your TV on no volume to pure static and have a comfortable chair or couch within a coupla feet. This is a must to really enjoy!!!! Have the music playing. Staring at the static stimulates the DXM in your mind and makes you enter an euphoric relaxed state. What do I mean? At first youll see static, but just relax your eyes and stare at the screen, soon patterns will form, keep staring and youll see spinning patterns, then the patterns grow towards you in 3D. This is so amazing to optimize level one. After a lil while try to stare at the tv with your eyes open your eyes will water and the image will blur and enhance your experience I have 65" tv so really close the room expands into a cathredal like size. Also another thing to do is after your eyes water slowly lean forward and place your face directly on the screen. Youll see the electrons hitting the screen and soon the screen will move behind your eyes, you are now glimpsing into the wave world, but just a tiny taste. This of course depends on how high you are. If youre brave and arent worried about being overwhelmed like I am not, Then you might try 1 box to start, 8 tabs after an hour and 8 tabs after another hour and a half. This increases the amount in your system rather the divided dose I recommended to begin. I just dont know you except from the board and I dont want to give you bad advice. You may alternate between this and yoga and even dancing if you like, but I think that would distract too much.
d. turn off the phone for awhile you experience difficulty talking on the phone, just a weird thing, your mind is working and you feel normal, in control relaxed of course, the words are there, but they just dont come out right. Its quite funny I dont why this is b/c it only happens on the phone for the most part.
6. ENJOY! IF YOU FOLLOW THESE TIPS YOU SHOULD HAVE AN AWESOME EXPERIENCE FOR YOUR FIRST PSYCHONAUT MISSION: Ease into the plateaus over time, it'll make more sense as you gain knowledge from the wave reality and then you may even speak to the gods or believe you are LOL! Real or Delusion, cant prove either I just know as a nonspiritual person to begin with I found it very spiritually eyeopening!!
7. Let me know if you decide to do it and what you experienced I can help interpret what youve seen and explain it so you can move up the plateaus faster to pure nirvana. Just drive to the pharmacy right now and get your first experience out of the way afterall, the philly/Min game sux thats why I have time to write this, I planned my day around football dammit!
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samoth said:Good post!
For Bluelight forums
BTW, kids, DON'T take 8 grams of DXM. And DON'T take two boxes of cold & cough that contains additional ingredients like antihistimines.
Oh hell no, dont even think about 8 grams, words cannot describe what I experienced and went through, I call it omega plateau. After that, all the other plateaus seemed like childs play. And you reminded me I should definitely put in an extraction process for the 4mg of choropeniramine maleate.
BACKGROUND: Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide (hereafter refered to as
DXM HBr) is a common over-the-counter antitussive (cough supressant)
which replaced codeine in the early 1960's because of concerns over
abuse of cough syrups by down and out junkies. However, DXM HBr was
later discovered to have recreational effects, albeit ones not as
universally enjoyable as codeine and other opiates. It is a member
of the drug class dissassociative anaesthetics, and has psychedelic
effects similar to Ketamine ("Special K") or Phenylcyclidine (PCP).
The most common venue for recreational DXM abuse is the drinking of
cough syrup, which many people find extremely unpleasant. Until
recently, Drixoral CoughCaps, which contained nothing but DXM HBr
(30mg) per tablet, were widely availible and the best source of
recreational DXM around. They were taken off the market, allegedly
because of poor sales, but probably because of abuse. A new product,
Coricidin Cough & Cold, appeared on the market. Coricidin Cough &
Cold (CC&C) contains, in each tablet, 30mg DXM HBr and 4mg of the
antihistamine chloropheniramine maleate (CPM). Coricidin Cough &
Cold tablets became popular recreationally, as they are much
easier to take than cough syrup. However, overdosage of CPM (on
the order of anywhere from 12-300mgs) can cause severe anticholigenic
side effects in susceptable persons, and there *HAVE* been confirmed
deaths due to it's use.
OBJECTIVE: To, given a supply of Coricidin Cough & Cold (30mg DXM
HBr, 4mg CPM), yield a portion of usable DXM HBr reasonably equal
to the amount in the pills, discarding all or effectively all CPM.
- MATERIALS -
Cold water
Coricidin Cough & Cold pills
Stirring instrument
Crushing instrument (a heavy book or board works fine, if you
have a sturdy plate to collect the powder in)
Fine-grained cloth for extraction (test it out with flour)
Petroleum Ether (optional -- for creating a more refined
product)
Gelcaps (optional -- for consuming product in a way that
won't make your stomach turn)
- PROCEDURE -
(1) Obtain a sizable quantity of Coricidin Cough & Cold pills.
Note that some 1-10% of the DXM HBr in question will be lost
in the process of the extraction of the CPM, (varying with
the amount of water and the skill of the operator), so
adjust your amounts accordingly. For 1050mg DXM 35 Coricidin pills would be
needed (yielding 140mg CPM). 10% of
1050 is 105, so use (rounding down) an additional 3 pills,
yielding an extraction ranging from 945mg to 1039mg DXM.
(2) Place the pills flat (i.e. not on top of one another) on
a wide, sturdy plate (the large rectangular ones you get
at a cafeteria are perfect) and use a board, book, other
plate, or some other heavy instrument to crush them into
a very fine powder. Make sure that there are NO large
particles of pill left, only very fine powder.
(3) Collect all the powder, and place it at the bottom of a
flask or (for the equipment-impaired) a glass. Pour in
enough cold water to cover over the pwoder several times
over -- the more water, the more perfect of a CPM
extraction you get, but also you will loose more DXM
in the process.
(4) Stir the water slowly until you get bored (a blender on
a *VERY* slow setting might work, and a blender doesn't
get bored), and let sit for a few hours.
(5) Discard the water. This is not easy, as the powder will
have the annoying tendancy to go with the water, and
is far too small to be strained off. Evaporation will
*NOT* work, as the CPM will be released back into the
powder mix. You need a very fine grain of cloth to do
this (you can test it first with flour ... see if the
flour passes through when you pour water over it ...
most garment cloth is okay).
(6) The remaining powder should be DXM HBr, dyes, bindings,
and other shit. Removing dyes and bindings can be easily
done with petroleum ether, but for most purposes it
isn't really important. Fill gel caps and swallow or
take in a different method.
- CHEMCIAL BACKGROUND -
Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide is around 1.5% soluble
in water. Chloropheniramine Maleate is very soluble
in water. Most dyes and binders are soluble in ether.
DXM ain't. 'Nuff said.
-======================= [ Comment ] =======================-
(the following is not the author's words, just a revision)
Solubility for DXM HBr in water is 1.5g/100mL at 25 C
That means for every 100ml of water at room temperature, 1.5g of DXM HBr will
dissolve in it.
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See Tripleblonde was here on friday, second post then vanished
tuc biscuit
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post was made 21st may 2004
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tuc biscuit said:
I dont know how thats possible, the first three posts post say that. I just came back and the thread was there at the top of the list and I talked to the 1 and 3 posters that night about coming back. Im not plat so I cant look into the archives to pull it up myself and it was specific to me coming back and that was on the board Friday, the exact day I came back. It showed up after a couple posts I made. Im confused, its impossible that a thread so specific would pop the exact time I came back asking where have I been. Hmmmmm
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Was it at the top of the list on C&C, or at the top of your threads on your profile? If it was the later, and you just clicked your profile and saw it at the top it means that it sat there while you were away, and when you finally logged back in and clicked on your profile you were able to see taht someone had posted on it.
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No she was defininately here it was just a glitch of some kind, cuz #1 poster was jucied pigtails at may 21st but he started it last friday. #2 poster is Triple blonde same date #3 was chaos mage same incorrect date and then the right date appears of Janu 16, 2005 on the #4 post but continues the conversation and it was juiced pigtails the #1 poster quoting the #3 poster Chaos which was dated incorrectly as may 21 st:
this is the #4 post
Originally Posted by Chaos_Mage
He O.D.'ed on his spiritual cookies. That, or he is laughing at us from the 6th dimension.
lets ask
the top quote supposedly may 21st and then quoted by JP the #1 poster also with an incorrect date but now posting the #4 post with the correct date of Jan 16th.
It was just a glitch, I know #1 and #3 were there on friday b/c I was talking to them, its impossible that Tripleblonde was not here friday as the second poster. SHE LIVES!
this is the #4 post
Originally Posted by Chaos_Mage
He O.D.'ed on his spiritual cookies. That, or he is laughing at us from the 6th dimension.
lets ask
the top quote supposedly may 21st and then quoted by JP the #1 poster also with an incorrect date but now posting the #4 post with the correct date of Jan 16th.
It was just a glitch, I know #1 and #3 were there on friday b/c I was talking to them, its impossible that Tripleblonde was not here friday as the second poster. SHE LIVES!
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Learn how to read... the first 4 posts are from May of 2004. JuicedPiglet then bumped his own thread in the 5th post, last friday.
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BodyByFinaplix said:
Why would he go back all the way back to may archives to bump that thread, why not just start a thread saying brothabill where you been seems simpler, I guess thats possible. Just seems like alot of effort for a 4post archive thread to bump it.
And seems like the first post was written denoting my return, not my absence. I dont give shit much either way.
lol i just bumped it because we sent out search parties for the first few months you were gone.BrothaBill said:
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juicedpigtails said:
LOL!! glad to know someone was out searching for me. BUt it made me look like Idiot hahaha, I was all looking at the posts and quotes forensically to see where this is where and who said what. Shit it never dawned on me that you bump a thread from May. Funny, funny and Im talking to Tripleblonde hey how you been, and saying shes still here, too funny.
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