Bro's anyone tried cycle like this

[GAINSEEKER]

BROS I JUST MET A GUY IN MY GYM THAT IS GETTING READY TO GO PRO. dUDUE IS WEIGHING AROUND 280LBS AND SOLID AS A MOFO. !!!
ANYWAY HE IS TELLING ME THAT FOR THE LAST YEAR HE HAS DONE 4 WEEKS ON AND 4 WEEKS OFF. WHILE ON HE IS DOING A SHOT A DAY OF TEST = 1750 MG/ WEEK
STACKING IT WITH DECA AT 1000MG/ WEEK
NOW
THIS IS ONLY FOR 4 WEEKS THEN HE HITS
HCG, CLOMID, NOV. FOR APROX 4 WEEKS AND THEN BACK ON THE TEST.
I TELL YOU THIS DUDE IS FU@$#%$ HUGE !!!!!!
JUST WONDERING IF ANYONE ELSE HAS TRIED THIS ???







WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE #1
2 IS NOT A WINNER
AND 3 NOBODY REMEMBERS!!!!

 

[Zyglamail]

I have not done it that way, but I think serge is a fan of cycling cycles (hehe for lack of a better term). Bump for his input.

 

[GAINSEEKER]

back up we go.....

 

[supertraps]

Bump

Anyone try this?

 

[Hbone]

If he is stacking it with 1gram of deca a week then he is not really coming off because the deca will bridge most if not all of the the down time.

Now I have had a few people on 3 week cycles of test suspention at 1500 mgs a week. done very well. Also played the pyrimid game going 3wks on 2off 1wk on 2wk of 3wks on 2wks of and so on. But the dosage are the same most people would take on an entire cycle.

 

[Hbone]

The premise is that most growth does not happen until one has hit the 2000mg. threshold in a cycle so you get there as quick as possible.

 

[neo1605]

What's he doing to combat the progestorone sides of Deca at 1000mg a week??

 

[GAINSEEKER]

Bro's this guy is large and shreaded like a mofo. He is entering the nationals next year to try and go pro.
He may not win but I tell you he has the chance...

Anyway he takes insulin daily in between the cycles and has tried growth but thinks it's not worth the $ right now for him....
Anti-estrogens he says he has very low conversion normaly....never had gyno not way to much water....he's gifted for Gear. But still uses HCG, proviron, and small amounts of nov. in between the 4 weeks on.

Oh the deca I see what your saying it is lasting all the way through but I think that is is plane as he has been on the routine for almost a year.

I am having him put together a cycle plan and I will post it to saee what the bro's think !!!!



WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE #1
2 IS NOT A WINNER AND 3
NOBODY REMEMBERS !!!!!

 

[Hbone]

Gains Staying on that long (all year) is what most top level competitors do. And as far as the dosage they are common even low for that level.


Peace

 

[GAINSEEKER]

Gains Staying on that long (all year) is what most top level competitors do. And as far as the dosage they are common even low for that level.


Peace

Bro L.O.L. that is what he was telling me. Acually he use to be trained by a guy who trains allot of pro's up north but was saying he knows guys taking 1000mg/ day with this cycle !!!!!!!
Crazy for me to even think of trying but I do want to try the on/off with test.,EQ and winny
What really gets me is the time off is so short I wonder if the body fully rebounds from the high dose of test ????
The deca at that doseage I know would give my bitch tits from hell so I am thinking of using EQ.
And hitting winny as well. And maybe running it 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off.
LAst cycle was for 15 weeks and I gained 20 lbs and have not lost a single pound yet !!!!!

 

[rrwwdd]

If he's running 1000mg of deca followed by clomid. He should be starting the clomid 3 weeks after his last shot of deca and run the clomid for 2 weeks after the one day 300mg load. If done properly how is he back on the cycle in 4 weeks. In my book he really needs a minimum of 5 weeks or he is getting nothing out of the clomid because he's starting before the deca has cleared his system.

 

[GAINSEEKER]

Good thought bro. I think for my use I will take out the deca but would like to see how cycling on and off with Test and dbol at a high dose would do.
And I am thinking I need to determin from what type of test I takes as to when to start the clomid and hcg. If I even need both ??
That's my other thought is does the body shut down enough to need a major kick start ???

What do you bro's think of running it like this:
4 weeks of sus.250 1cc/every day
4 weeks of 5mg dbol at 10/day ( I know sounds high but it's for 4 weeks ??)
Then hit HCG one week after last shot of sus. (not sure of amount yet ??)
Proviron through out the cycle on and off
Nov. throughout the time off - 5 weeks
Total time off I'm thinking would be 5 weeks then back on ??

I know this sounds strange but I like to take chances and maybe this will prove to be an excellent cycle ??





WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE #1
2 IS NOT A WINNER AND
3 NOBODY REMEMBERS !!!

 

[Hbone]

Gains go to shorter duration test prop sus. even enanthate, The control in and out of the system is what you are looking for.Add anti e. Two shots Hcg at weeks 3 and 5 . Clomid 3weeks while continueing anti e. Short cycles wont work well with the sust cause you will be coming off just when it gets going.
(hugo Garard?)

 

[GAINSEEKER]

Gains go to shorter duration test prop sus. even enanthate, The control in and out of the system is what you are looking for.Add anti e. Two shots Hcg at weeks 3 and 5 . Clomid 3weeks while continueing anti e. Short cycles wont work well with the sust cause you will be coming off just when it gets going.
(hugo Garard?)

Makes since.... So maybe the best test is prop. being such a fast acting ester ???
While I see how I can cycle the test and dbol I'm still wondering if the EQ needs to be in the cycle and how to use it, in this on off cycle. ???
The more I look at his cycle I just can't see what the point of going on and off of the deca would do ???
Anythoughts ????



WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE #1
2 IS NOT A WINNER AND
3 NOBODY REMEMBERS !!!!

 

[GAINSEEKER]

I wish some MODS would put there 2 cents in this ???
Maybe it's an old question but maybe someone has something new to offer ????

 

[GAINSEEKER]

283 hits on this topic and nobody has any advice or experience with this ???

 

[Audio8]

actually he's probably using suspension..that or maybe prop. Suspension has a HL of what like 1 day? and prop is something like 4 days?

Anyway, since there such fast acting esters, it not only takes less time to leave the body, but less time to enter the body as well. Just seems logical. Hence, 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off also seems like a logical solution to year-round cycling. I bet this HUGE guy has talked with some other pro's in the field, and they obviously know what their doing.

 

[GAINSEEKER]

actually he's probably using suspension..that or maybe prop. Suspension has a HL of what like 1 day? and prop is something like 4 days?

Anyway, since there such fast acting esters, it not only takes less time to leave the body, but less time to enter the body as well. Just seems logical. Hence, 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off also seems like a logical solution to year-round cycling. I bet this HUGE guy has talked with some other pro's in the field, and they obviously know what their doing.

It makes since to me and yes this guy is pretty well conected in the pro's. I'll have to find out the guys name that trained him see if any of you know him...

I am thinking of running HEAVY 4 on and 4 off with prop and dbol and also mixing 2 kits of growth and insulin into the mix for a 6 month cycle or some length like that. Haven't planned the whole thing out ??





WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE #1
2 IS NOT A WINNER AND
3 NOBODY REMEMBERS !!!!

 

[Hbone]

There was an interview on testosterone .net . That explained the theory in depth. I couldnt recall what issue or who? But they werent using EQ or deca. The premise was to ramp up quickly large dosage and get off clean before to much suppresion took place.

I believe he also advocated 3on 2off 1on 2off 3on.

 

[GAINSEEKER]

There was an interview on testosterone .net . That explained the theory in depth. I couldnt recall what issue or who? But they werent using EQ or deca. The premise was to ramp up quickly large dosage and get off clean before to much suppresion took place.

I believe he also advocated 3on 2off 1on 2off 3on.

Bro if you happen to find the article or what issue please email me I would love to check it out !!!
Thanks for your help bro...




WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE #1
2 IS NOT A WINNER AND
3 NOBODY REMEMBERS !!!

 

[The Iron Game]

I have done 2-3 weeks on and then switched over but not 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

Something I can see wrong with that is he will never really be off, If he is using 1750mgs of test/wk and deca or eq. At the doses he is using it will be active for anywhere from 5 days to 6 weeks and the clomid would be wasted time. So maybe he is on 4 weeks and off 4 weeks but he isnt really off.

btw I loved my 2-3week switch over cycle

 

[GAINSEEKER]

I have done 2-3 weeks on and then switched over but not 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

Something I can see wrong with that is he will never really be off, If he is using 1750mgs of test/wk and deca or eq. At the doses he is using it will be active for anywhere from 5 days to 6 weeks and the clomid would be wasted time. So maybe he is on 4 weeks and off 4 weeks but he isnt really off.

btw I loved my 2-3week switch over cycle

I see your point 100%. I was trying to map out each as he was taking and how long it should last and it wasn't adding up to me. He really is staying on all year round.... However I would like to try just using Prop at very high levels and dbol. I am thinking though the time off may need to be a few weeks longer than time on ???

Anyway great thoughts on this... thanks bro's


WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE #1
2 IS NOT A WINNER AND
3 NOBODY REMEMBERS !!!!!!!

 

[Hbone]

Prop or susp. even winny or tren. No deca or Eq.

 

[Audio8]

oh I totally didn't even see that he was using deca with the test. in that case, like Iron said, he's never really off, since deca's half-life is something like 13-14 days. He might as well just forget about cycling and just stay "on". How long has he been doing this 4-4 thing? Bet his body is in complete shutdown by now.

 

[GAINSEEKER]

He has been on this for 6 months now and will stay on for another. However I think he then goes into a cutting cycle so he will be switching his gear ??
I will see him tonight and see what his next step is he is also giving me an article on how to use insulin I will post for the bros new to using insulin. (my latest addiction !!!).
He is bulking at the moment trying to reach 280lbs - 300lb mark then will rip up landing between 260lbs - 280lbs.
Like I said though I am just getting to know him and suspect he does more than what we have talked about, but he was just suggesting to me to try doing shorter cycles with larger amounts to stay on longer.