boldenone thread

[Magick69]

bros i read quite a bit about equipoise but i would like to collect here all the feedbacks possible.

the question is for who has done an equipoise cycle only

how long was ur cycle?

how much equipoise a week?

how much did you gain (weight) ?

how much did you keep after pct?

if prone to hairloss did you have problem with your hairline?

cheers

 

[cop]

hey magick,

I just ran 200mg/week of equipoise...I had to stop in week 5 cause I was losing my hair man...never gonna touch that stuff again.....i'm gonna stick to anavar (will try some high dose) or t-bol....

 

[funkyfresh]

Cop,

Just curious bro, but have you ever ran test with finastride? if so, how effective was it in terms of gains Vs hair issues?

I am in the same position as Magic in that I'm trying to figure out my best options in terms of AAS whilst avoiding potential hair loss issues if possible.

I'm currently looking into EQ, but it would seem that it isn't as mild as people think in this regard and it's not easy to control due to the fact finastride has little to no effect on it and it's a long acting ester.

I know all AAS have the potential to do so if you are prone to MPB, but taken with the right precautions, I think it can be done.

Sorry to Hijack

I'm gonna do a Anavar cycle in February (will be my first) to see how that goes. Will also be taking hair loss prevention stack, liver supplements, cholesterol supplements...etc. Don't expect huge gains, but am hoping for a nice strength booster.

So far it would seem there are only a handful of med which are relatively safe for people who are prone to MPB:

Anavar
Deca (although this isn't a good idea to take on it's own..e.g: deca dick and cannot be taken with finastride)
Tbol

Maybe low dose Test (prop) with finastride and other hair loss stuff?

I think Test with Anavar or Tbol would be an awesome stack.

 

[Magick69]

hey magick,

I just ran 200mg/week of equipoise...I had to stop in week 5 cause I was losing my hair man...never gonna touch that stuff again.....i'm gonna stick to anavar (will try some high dose) or t-bol....

cop my friend have used some protection for the hair ? such as finasteride and spiro etc..

 

[Magick69]

Cop,

Just curious bro, but have you ever ran test with finastride? if so, how effective was it in terms of gains Vs hair issues?

I am in the same position as Magic in that I'm trying to figure out my best options in terms of anabolic androgenic steroids whilst avoiding potential hair loss issues if possible.

I'm currently looking into Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , but it would seem that it isn't as mild as people think in this regard and it's not easy to control due to the fact finastride has little to no effect on it and it's a long acting ester.

I know all AAS have the potential to do so if you are prone to MPB, but taken with the right precautions, I think it can be done.

Sorry to Hijack

I'm gonna do a Anavar cycle in February (will be my first) to see how that goes. Will also be taking hair loss prevention stack, liver supplements, cholesterol supplements...etc. Don't expect huge gains, but am hoping for a nice strength booster.

So far it would seem there are only a handful of med which are relatively safe for people who are prone to MPB:

Anavar
Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - (although this isn't a good idea to take on it's own..e.g: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - dick and cannot be taken with finastride)
Turanabol

Maybe low dose Test (testosterone propionate) with finastride and other hair loss stuff?

I think Test with Anavar or Tbol would be an awesome stack.

bro from what i gathered nothing stop the hairloss with test because has a high conversion to dht and if you are already prone means you already have dht conversion high and ur hair are sensitive ; so with test you have a doble effect.

about the gear you named i can say surely turinabol and anavar; about deca is ok till 500 mg then can become dangerous for the hair.
i do not believe to the myth of finatseride and deca so i will run soon a cycle with deca and finasteride.

Equipoise is a bit controversial hence my thread; i need to understand if people who lost hair with equipoise have used or nor a good anti hairloss stack because without it any gear is dangerous for the hair even anavar and turinabol

 

[funkyfresh]

Yes, I thought that to be the case.

Test is pretty androgenic regardless of it's conversion in to DHT. But I just wondered how effective a hair loss stack such as the one you posted would be on a low dose test cycle.

I've spoken to people who are prone to MPB who have done lower dosed test cycles along with the finastride and other hair protection successfully.

Obviously some people are much more sensitive than others. Even if you are prone, it still depends on how many androgen receptors you have on the scalp (which is genetic).

Test Prop might be an option as it is a short acting ester, so if you run into trouble you can stop and the test is out of your system fairly quickly compared to the longer esters.

Having said all that, if you take finastride with a test cycle, it kind of defeats the purpose because one of the reasons why test is such a great mass builder is due to it's androgenic property which is mainly down to the DHT conversion. As you know, DHT has a much high affinity to the androgen receptors than test in it's un-reduced state. So this would seem one of the reasons why test is so effective for mass gains. It is highly androgenic and anabolic.

DHT is actually a very powerful hormone for building muscle. But it can be problematic, especially if you are prone to MPB or prostate issues or in large amounts.

The conclusion I've come to is that for people who are sensitive to androgenic side effects, it's better to simply stick to more anabolic substances.

However, without the androgenic properties, the gains you get will be much slower. But whatever you do gain will be quality lean tissue.

Deca might be the answer as it's androgenic properties act in a different way, but then you start coming into a whole new host of problems.

EQ is a tricky one because it's faked quite a bit from what I hear, or some labs cut it with Winstrol? Not sure how much truth there is in this, but it could be an explaination.

In theory it should be relatively safe on the hair since it's interaction with the 5AR is minimal. But is was originally designed to be like an injectable version of Dbol, although it didn't work out that way and is actually a very different drug.

Dbol causes hairloss, yet it doesn't interact with the 5AR or reduce to DHT. Yet it still causes hairloss. I don't quite understand why this is? It is pretty androgenic, yet it shouldn't bind to the scalp AR's that harsh since it doesn't interact with those receptors (the 5AR 1 & 2 are the main receptors in the scalp and skin). But still is said to be one of the worst for hairloss.

 

[Magick69]

' Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is a tricky one because it's faked quite a bit from what I hear, or some labs cut it with Winstrol? '

this is very interesting ; hence in this case a reputable UG and source are crucial..

i remmbered that when i investigate anavar (i did few sucessfull cycle with it) some people said they lost hair with it and then it cmae out was dianabol..

 

[josenunes]

hey magick,

I just ran 200mg/week of equipoise...I had to stop in week 5 cause I was losing my hair man...never gonna touch that stuff again.....i'm gonna stick to anavar (will try some high dose) or t-bol....

was your source reliable?Are you soure it wasnt fake equipoise?

 

[funkyfresh]

It's certainly possible.

I'm still interested in hearing more views on a test cycle (with the hair loss prevention).

I think NPP or Deca with Finastride is a bad move personally, but each to their own Let us know how you get on bro.

It may or may not be a myth than using Finastride with Deca would actually increase hair loss if prone as there don't appear to be any studies on this.
But I'd be concerned about the HTPA supression. It's not just hairloss you have to think about with AAS.
Deca will surpress natural test levels on it's own, which means you will be putting out less DHT regardless of using finastride or not as there is less test. Any DHT you do have, which will be significantly lower than normal due to the test supression so it should have little effect...especially when you're using things like spiro, minoxidil, A-acid..etc.
As you know, Deca also converts via the 5AR to a less potent form of androgen, DHN, which has very little affinity to binding to the scalp's androgen receptors. So I don't think finastride is nessessary. Of course, still use the other stuff for protection.


I'm not convinced if finastride effects the Deca being reduced or not.

My theory is:

*You take deca
*It reduces natural testosterone
*Reduced natural testosterone = less DHT conversion
*Deca interracts with the 5AR, reduces into DHN
*You now have a combination of Deca and DHN in your system.
*There is still some DHT in your system, but because of the deca, you're natural test is surpressed so DHN becomes the dominant androgen.
*DHN has a low affinity to the scalp tissue, so it's a safer androgen than DHT

Of course DHN could still potential cause some hairloss, as with any androgen. But it's DHT which has a strong binding to the scalp.

So now lets see what adding finastride could/may do:
*You take deca
*It reduces natural testosterone
*Reduced natural testosterone = less DHT conversion
*You take finastride which means even less DHT. This would surpress you even more
*Finastride stops the Deca from reducing via the 5AR into DHN.
*Now you have more Deca in an un-reduced state which may or may not be harsher than both DHT and DHN.
* So now this leaves you with surpressed testosterone, surpressed DHT and surpressed androgenic hormones. In other words, your body becomes completely shut down of any dominant male hormones/androgens besides the deca in it's unreduced state. This potential means estrogen becomes a more dominant hormone in the body.


I'm not sure what effect deca in an un-reduced state would have on the hair or prostate, but it may or maynot be a recipe for disaster. Both from a hairloss point of view and in terms of HTPA surpression.

 

[Magick69]

mate lets keep this a boldenone thread .....

 

[bw1]

Look what it did to my hair:

http://i13.tinypic.com/6ouhrwm.jpg

 

[funkyfresh]

Sorry, I forgot we're talking about EQ now..lol

Doesn't EQ reduce to something differen't than DHT aswell?

Not sure if it's another one like Deca where people say you shouldn't use finastride with it or not?

 

[cop]

I've used equipoise without any hairstack...it was just 200 mg/week

 

[funkyfresh]

That's a pretty low dose. I'm surprised it effected your hair like that.

I know you said you've done a test prop cycle before with the hair stuff without any issues right?

Maybe you could try that again, something like 200mg test prop ew (50mg eod) for 6 weeks and stack it with tbol or var.

I hear mixed things about EQ. Not many people rate it TBH.

 

[needtogetarmy]

bros i read quite a bit about equipoise but i would like to collect here all the feedbacks possible.

the question is for who has done an equipoise cycle only

how long was ur cycle? 12 weeks

how much equipoise a week? 400mg

how much did you gain (weight) ? around 15 pounds of solid mass

how much did you keep after PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - ? Nearly all of it

if prone to hairloss did you have problem with your hairline? I shed a little but I do not have hairline problems

cheers

Answers in bold above.

 

[needtogetarmy]

200mg of EQ will barely give you any positive benefits. IMO 400mg is the level to use.

 

[Selfcentor]

Bump cause i want to also know if anyone else has done a equipose only cycle. Army vet you have any negative sides?

 

[Magick69]

Look what it did to my hair:

http://i13.tinypic.com/6ouhrwm.jpg

what ? made you blonde??

 

[Magick69]

That's a pretty low dose. I'm surprised it effected your hair like that.

I know you said you've done a test testosterone propionate cycle before with the hair stuff without any issues right?

Maybe you could try that again, something like 200mg test testosterone propionate ew (50mg eod) for 6 weeks and stack it with Turanabol or Anavar - oxandrolone - .

I hear mixed things about Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - . Not many people rate it TBH.

not really...

i guess if i would not have used a strong hair stack i would have lost hiar from ananavar and turinabol and this make sense..

if you are already losing your hair without any steroid immagine what happens if you take one (even the milder have still androgenic effects)

 

[Magick69]

Answers in bold above.

cheers bor! these answers are very useful; lets having more answer...

about the hair issue if a person like you shed with equipose (and u are not prone this makes me think

 

[Magick69]

Answers in bold above.

cheers bro! these answers are very useful; lets having more answer...

about the hair issue if a person like you shed with equipose (and u are not prone this makes me think

 

[bw1]

what ? made you blonde??

lol....just fuckin with ya bro

 

[Magick69]

o no mate. i almost order two of 3 vials i like to be blonde!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bw1]

o no mate. i almost order two of 3 vials i like to be blonde!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chicks would dig ya

 

[boyer]

Hey bro roids accelerate hair loss. You might as well get used to what is coming up if your prone. Just buy some clippers and do the standard test only cycle.
Or if you must I recommend prop 150 mg eod with finasteride or npp 200 mg e3d as a standalone.

 

[theblondebomber]

Chicks would dig ya

you can see my name is BLONDEBOMBER but guess what...ive been bald for 20 yrs.LOL!

 

[eddymerckx]

It's certainly possible.

I'm still interested in hearing more views on a test cycle (with the hair loss prevention).

I think NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - or Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - with Finastride is a bad move personally, but each to their own Let us know how you get on bro.

It may or may not be a myth than using Finastride with Deca would actually increase hair loss if prone as there don't appear to be any studies on this.
But I'd be concerned about the HTPA supression. It's not just hairloss you have to think about with anabolic androgenic steroids.
Deca will surpress natural test levels on it's own, which means you will be putting out less dihydrotestosterone regardless of using finastride or not as there is less test. Any DHT you do have, which will be significantly lower than normal due to the test supression so it should have little effect...especially when you're using things like spiro, minoxidil, A-acid..etc.
As you know, Deca also converts via the 5AR to a less potent form of androgen, DHN, which has very little affinity to binding to the scalp's androgen receptors. So I don't think finastride is nessessary. Of course, still use the other stuff for protection.


I'm not convinced if finastride effects the Deca being reduced or not.

My theory is:

*You take Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
*It reduces natural testosterone
*Reduced natural testosterone = less DHT conversion
*Deca interracts with the 5AR, reduces into DHN
*You now have a combination of Deca and DHN in your system.
*There is still some DHT in your system, but because of the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , you're natural test is surpressed so DHN becomes the dominant androgen.
*DHN has a low affinity to the scalp tissue, so it's a safer androgen than DHT

Of course DHN could still potential cause some hairloss, as with any androgen. But it's DHT which has a strong binding to the scalp.

So now lets see what adding finastride could/may do:
*You take Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
*It reduces natural testosterone
*Reduced natural testosterone = less DHT conversion
*You take finastride which means even less DHT. This would surpress you even more
*Finastride stops the Deca from reducing via the 5AR into DHN.
*Now you have more Deca in an un-reduced state which may or may not be harsher than both DHT and DHN.
* So now this leaves you with surpressed testosterone, surpressed DHT and surpressed androgenic hormones. In other words, your body becomes completely shut down of any dominant male hormones/androgens besides the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - in it's unreduced state. This potential means estrogen becomes a more dominant hormone in the body.


I'm not sure what effect Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - in an un-reduced state would have on the hair or prostate, but it may or maynot be a recipe for disaster. Both from a hairloss point of view and in terms of HTPA surpression.

very interesting--i know when i took avodart/duta for 8 months (off cycle) i got some great hair--and turned into a weak bitch (everything dropped and got a wicked groin pull--first ever)

 

[airsmith2k]

eq is the shit i luv it

 

[funkyfresh]

very interesting--i know when i took avodart/duta for 8 months (off cycle) i got some great hair--and turned into a weak bitch (everything dropped and got a wicked groin pull--first ever

I think finastride is a much better choice in this regard. Duta is more effective as it block both type 1 and 2 of the 5AR and decreases DHT by up to 90% +. But yes, it will make you weak and long term I don't think this is a good thing.

DHT is actually a very strong androgen, twice as strong as testosterone in an unreduced state and is great for strength. But it has a high affinity to binding to the scalp and prostate.

If you are prone, this becomes a problem.

But rather than block it entirely, there are ways of controlling it.

The key is to keep DHT levels to a stable level and with things like spiro, minoxidil, a-acid, you should be able to reduce the amount of DHT that binds to the scalp.