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Bodyweight Hamstring Curl vs Glute Ham Raises

these hurt my knees already!! how many sets of those can somebody handle before he starts to get knee aches? I've never tried those but then again i don't think i ever will...

have you tried them? were they harsh on the knees?
 
I don't know about that second vid. The first one is actually a nat GHR I think. I can bang these out weighted on a GHR bench, but I struggle with just my body weight on the nat version. These are killer and will blow your hammies up.
 
At my gym, there's a glute-ham-raise machine. I love it, but it is brutal. Most of the guys don't even attempt it. I can get anywhere from 3 to 5 reps, but it is rough.
 
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