Bodyopus + gear...

[Cornellius]

We all know about the benefits of the Bodyopus diet on looseing fat. Also Bodyopus training spilt fits perfectly to the diet.

My question is:

I´ve realized that all the people doing the bodyopus diet are not useing steroids by that time. I´m doing the diet, and planing my next cycle in a month. The problem is that training 3 times a week will make me feel that I´m looseing my gear. Also zero carbs make me feel like a zombie, thus I won´t be able to get the most out of my cycle (train intensily).

Any experiences on bodyopus+gear??

Thanks

 

[Cornellius]

For the people who don´t know:

Bodyopus training split look like this:
Monday: Half of the body
Thuesday: Other half of the body
Friday: Whole body

 

[diamonddiceclay]

gear is better suited to a h.i.t. lifting style

 

[Cornellius]

gear is better suited to a h.i.t. lifting style

Shure, I agree, but I can´t train 100% at intensity while on zero carbs...

 

[diamonddiceclay]

if you are on gear, do you need zero carbs?

 

[freshr1]

IMHO, it's a waste of gear to be doing keto style diet at the same time.

my $0.02

 

[21inch_arms]

Don't you think AS such as Winstrol, Tren, Halo, Growth, IGF-1, and Masteron as well as some Test Suspension kick ass on a keto diet and complement it nicely??? Also the use of cytadren and even Anadrol for the extremists out there??????

What do you guys take Loop Diuretics stacked with DNP and Proviron?

 

[Cornellius]

IMHO, it's a waste of gear to be doing keto style diet at the same time.

my $0.02

That´s what I think also...

 

[Cornellius]

Don't you think AS such as Winstrol, Tren, Halo, Growth, IGF-1, and Masteron as well as some Test Suspension kick ass on a keto diet and complement it nicely???

Why?? please elaborate...

 

[Riker29]

Well, it depends what results you want from your AS cycle.

If you are bulking, I would NOT do a Keto or even a Cyclic Keto diet.

If you are cutting you probably could, however (and I am a keto and CKD advocate) .......

The main benefit of a keto or CKD (cyclic keto diet) is that for a given caloric deficit you will lose LESS lean mass than if you just went for a more "balanced" diet at the same caloric deficit. (This has been supported by scientific research).

The main benefits (per my own personal understanding, and this is subject to others' opinions) of using AS during a cutting cycle is to allow for less lean mass loss for a given caloric deficit.

Certainly the lean-mass holding (anti-catabolic) abilities of using AS is superior to even the most well - constructed CKDs, so I think doing both at the same time would be redundant.

Plus, (and this is total guessing here) I would think that the keotgenic state whil on a heavy AS (cutting) cycle might potentially cause other issues (with no carbs (fuel) around.

I mean, given the strain that AS places on one various body systems, I would not want to be in ketosis while ON. But thats just me.

 

[serge]

i did both keto and low carb, low fat, high protein diet while running gear to help preserve the muscle, what i found was on keto i looked fuller but not as cut, on low fat/carbs high protein (70%p,20%crb,10%ft) i was much more cut and felt better but was not as full

 

[Andy13]

Keto diets (not CKD's) are pretty good at preserving muscle. This means that, during this time, provided the body is at rest, muscles will use nearly 100% fats for their fuels.

However, we are talking about two different things here. Preserving muscle and and anabolic response to hormones are two different things. Keto diets (again, NOT CKD's) preserve muscle by not using aminos for fuel. This takes a few days once the diet has started. Beforehand, you will lose lots of aminos in your decent into ketosis.

Preserving muscle the way keto diets do is not the same as an anabolic response from hormones. Keto diets are lousy at providing an anabolic environment for hormones. The reason is because of the lack of insulin. Insulin is needed to drive aminos and glucose into muscles. Your body simply will not respond well to exergeneous hormones while on a keto diet because of this. Are AAS a waste on keto diets? Absolutely. Are they better than nothing? Probably.. But remember, straight keto diets are already good at preserving muscle... But not so good at building it. And androgens are anabolic not anti-catabolic (there are instances where androgens are anti-catabolic. but they are not significant here).

My opinion? For the natural BBer, keto diets might be an OK choice.. But if you are a chemically enhanced BBer, you will see better results from 33.33.33. Again, this will vary depending on your goal. I realize that keto diets provide an initial metabolic advantage that is indeed quantifiable. So if you goal is pure fat loss, then you may very well go this route. But I still think that a guy on AAS should choose to lose fat (perhaps more slowly) with a diet that is at least 1/3 carbohydrate. Here you will still lose body fat but the anabolic environment needed for growth response from exergeneous hormones is still present. Will you grow as much as you would on high calories? Of course not.. But there WILL be an anabolic response nonetheless.

Lastly, on a diet that is at least 1/3 carbohydrate, the increased metabolism from protein synthesis may very well make up for the marginal advantage keto diets provide for fat loss. So, it is my opinion that the benefits in terms of fat loss and muscle preservation/gain on a regular diet out-weigh the (fat loss only) benefits from a keto diet.

Andy

 

[gettingdiesel]

I used D's 500mgs Enanthate and Deca last time I did Bodyopus and got sick results. You just need to keep your fat cals up, and you will ultimately gain quality muscle on that diet. Read the Book It is great.