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Bloods 2 weeks post test cyp injection... Advice please
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ok so a little freaked but it was expected. My test is 289, LOW. FSH and Lh are still nill. Obviously my Pit is not secreteing anything to tell my boys to kick right now. They are fullish size because I used hcgenerate and hcg during my entire cycle.
Today is day 15 post injection. That whole half life of the test cyp that everyone speaks of is a little off lol considering I was >1500 15 days ago. Anyhow, I am on:
Hcgenerate @ 5 caps ed
formastanzol dropping to 7 pumps 2 times ed tonight and then will drop to 5 pumps 2 times ed in a week and then 3 pumps 2 times ed for last 2 wks.
unleasehed @ 6 caps ed
Post cycle @ 6 caps ed
No2 (force factor) @ 4 caps ed
Cialis @ .1 on syring 2 times ed (10mg ed total, stuffs fun)
Mk-2866 @ 12.5mg ed
Just started Azithromycin (zpack) today because I have an upper respritory infections. Bloods show high WBC count to.
I have LIQUID TOREM from RUI in front of me. Should I use it? 90/60/60/30 This is my biggest question.
I feel fine so far. I really dont want to run into anxiety problems or ED issues (on cialis so I dont see that being an issue hah) or libido problems. So far I wake up ed with a raging boner and have had no issue with women or getting it up. My normal Test levels sit around 280-350. So Im guessing that my lh and fsh should start kicking soon if they havent already (since yesterday when I got the blood test)???
Thanks all
Today is day 15 post injection. That whole half life of the test cyp that everyone speaks of is a little off lol considering I was >1500 15 days ago. Anyhow, I am on:
Hcgenerate @ 5 caps ed
formastanzol dropping to 7 pumps 2 times ed tonight and then will drop to 5 pumps 2 times ed in a week and then 3 pumps 2 times ed for last 2 wks.
unleasehed @ 6 caps ed
Post cycle @ 6 caps ed
No2 (force factor) @ 4 caps ed
Cialis @ .1 on syring 2 times ed (10mg ed total, stuffs fun)
Mk-2866 @ 12.5mg ed
Just started Azithromycin (zpack) today because I have an upper respritory infections. Bloods show high WBC count to.
I have LIQUID TOREM from RUI in front of me. Should I use it? 90/60/60/30 This is my biggest question.
I feel fine so far. I really dont want to run into anxiety problems or ED issues (on cialis so I dont see that being an issue hah) or libido problems. So far I wake up ed with a raging boner and have had no issue with women or getting it up. My normal Test levels sit around 280-350. So Im guessing that my lh and fsh should start kicking soon if they havent already (since yesterday when I got the blood test)???
Thanks all
o and I was on adex at .25 eod throughout entire cycle and up until day 13 after last injection. Today I was due to take it again but I decided that with a estrogen level of 22 I should just stick with forma as my ai, yes?
I have also read of adexs ability to increase test levels. But I dont know about it and if it will put you in a cycle of needing it if I dont get off nowish?
thanks again
I have also read of adexs ability to increase test levels. But I dont know about it and if it will put you in a cycle of needing it if I dont get off nowish?
thanks again
if you are on hcg, hcgenerate your LH will start bouncing soon. you still have the test in your system though.. until that is fully out which won't be for 4-6 weeks after your last injection your LH will stay suppressed somewhat.
i would start hcg 1000iu's ever 3-4 days. even throw in some HMG too. then run PCT .. keep updating your bloods and you will watch your LH start bouncing
its a nice experiment to do bloods but really you don't want to read much into them right now cause you techniqually are still on the juice.. unless you just want to use it as a science experiment. the time to do bloods is 3 weeks after you finish PCT.
i would start hcg 1000iu's ever 3-4 days. even throw in some HMG too. then run PCT .. keep updating your bloods and you will watch your LH start bouncing
its a nice experiment to do bloods but really you don't want to read much into them right now cause you techniqually are still on the juice.. unless you just want to use it as a science experiment. the time to do bloods is 3 weeks after you finish PCT.
^^^ you can run the torem at a low dose. i would do the lowest dose possible. maybe 20mg a day
you don't need the adex. the forma, torem will be more than ample to control estrogen. post cycle also helps with estrogne. so really i would drop the forma now, i prefer to run forma during cycle and let my SERM take over from there. remember you don't want to crush estrogen during pct, that is one of the reasons guys lose their wood IMO
you don't need the adex. the forma, torem will be more than ample to control estrogen. post cycle also helps with estrogne. so really i would drop the forma now, i prefer to run forma during cycle and let my SERM take over from there. remember you don't want to crush estrogen during pct, that is one of the reasons guys lose their wood IMO
^^^ you can go on a PCT calculator website and put your cycle in and it will guestimate the oil tapering off.
the AMOUNT of cyp in your body is half but that doesn't mean your test levels will be half. you definately still have it in your system though. and in another 2 weeks you will have it as well, but it will be a small amount but still enough for your body to say 'shit i don't have to do anything right now and i can just stay dormant' once its OUT of your system your body will realize its time to wake up..
if you time PCT right and prepare it for that you should recover fast.
the AMOUNT of cyp in your body is half but that doesn't mean your test levels will be half. you definately still have it in your system though. and in another 2 weeks you will have it as well, but it will be a small amount but still enough for your body to say 'shit i don't have to do anything right now and i can just stay dormant' once its OUT of your system your body will realize its time to wake up..
if you time PCT right and prepare it for that you should recover fast.
The reason you still have morning wood even with low test is the UNLEASHED.
At 15 days post injection you should still feel great. There is still a good amount of test in your system to keep your libido up. You dont even start PCT until 14 days after last injection so you are far from the time you can tell that you are shutdown. Give it a couple weeks and see how your feeling and how libido is. With a good PCT you may not feel any change. You do have a good plan, so it should work well for recovery
I disagree with this. at 14 days most of the test has cleared and you'll be low -- maybe not in the 200's but at least down to average. And I think PCT should start sooner. Why wait to be suppressed?
What half-life time is it that everyone speaks of for test Cyp?
The actual half-life of test cyp is ~8 days, so your levels being in the shitter almost at the very end of the active life of the drug is par for the course. Careful who you listen to. Any pub-med search or look at the product insert will tell you an 8 day half-life.
The way I understand it, it takes a good 4-6 weeks to clear all the test out of your system from long esters, and at 2 weeks post injection your levels are pretty high still. At least that is what I have been told, and starting PCT 2 weeks after your last pin is a pretty standard practice for long esters.
I'm not disagreeing with you Nelson. There is just a lot of different opinions out there on this subject
Yes, for the ester to clear completely, but T levels will drop dramatically after 14 days. Deca will still show on a blood test 6 months after injection, but obviously at that point, it isn't "active.'
I suggest you do some experiments. It costs just under $38 from privatemdlabs.com to get a serum testosterone test done. MAke sure you're not on cycle, or stop and cruise for a couple weeks at 200mg/week. Then after an injection of 200mg test C, get your blood drawn at day 7, then at day 10 and day 13 and day 16. Or you can do just day 7 and day 15-16 if you don't have the cash for 4 draws. But make sure you don't inject again until after that last blood draw.
Oh, and since it's common for UG's to give you test E labeled as test C, if your levels are in the shitter on day 7 you'll know you have test E and not C.
no. where did you get the idea that test c has a 15 day HALF-LIFE??? Active life is around 16 days. Half life is 8.
Bro science strikes again.
guys you are confusing the OP. he is already suppressed. his LH and FSH are at 0
the test in his system obviously is the remaining small amounts left over, it sure as hell isn't his own test being produced.
he isn't gonna go anywhere until the foreign test is out of his system, his body won't wake up until its gone.
so in the mean time he should be on hcg to kickstart his PCT. if he times things right he will have a smooth recovery. if he runs his PCT too soon he will have to run another one once all the Cyp is out of his system. long estered tests take 3-5 weeks to clear out totally once its built up to peak levels in the body. even with a half life of 8 days its still gonna take 3 weeks minimum for it to get to low enough levels for your body not to recognize it anymore assuming he was injecting twice a week leading up to his last injection.
how is it possible even with an 8 day half life for it to be only active for 15 days? its IMPOSSIBLE. if the OP was injecting 500mg a week split up in 2 injections. so after his last injection he would have 250mg spread out over 8 days.. PLUS he would have another 250mg from his 2nd to last injection, and 250mg of his 3rd to last injection and so on which would carry over in smaller amounts and push things further.
but lets say he had 500mg after 8 days he would have 250mg, then 16 days 125mg.. enough to suppress him.. then 24 days 63mg.. still enough to suppress.. then 32 days 31 and so on. and add in his previous injections that carried over and the amounts are even higher. even that small amount is enough to suppress still. so if he runs PCT now for 4 weeks he might end PCT too soon. a very common mistake i've seen done by many guys.
trust me I have come off and still gaining strength after cyp a full month after last injection thinking foolishly that my PCT must have been fantastic lol. then the party was over and my strength came back to earth around week 5 and on
the test in his system obviously is the remaining small amounts left over, it sure as hell isn't his own test being produced.
he isn't gonna go anywhere until the foreign test is out of his system, his body won't wake up until its gone.
so in the mean time he should be on hcg to kickstart his PCT. if he times things right he will have a smooth recovery. if he runs his PCT too soon he will have to run another one once all the Cyp is out of his system. long estered tests take 3-5 weeks to clear out totally once its built up to peak levels in the body. even with a half life of 8 days its still gonna take 3 weeks minimum for it to get to low enough levels for your body not to recognize it anymore assuming he was injecting twice a week leading up to his last injection.
how is it possible even with an 8 day half life for it to be only active for 15 days? its IMPOSSIBLE. if the OP was injecting 500mg a week split up in 2 injections. so after his last injection he would have 250mg spread out over 8 days.. PLUS he would have another 250mg from his 2nd to last injection, and 250mg of his 3rd to last injection and so on which would carry over in smaller amounts and push things further.
but lets say he had 500mg after 8 days he would have 250mg, then 16 days 125mg.. enough to suppress him.. then 24 days 63mg.. still enough to suppress.. then 32 days 31 and so on. and add in his previous injections that carried over and the amounts are even higher. even that small amount is enough to suppress still. so if he runs PCT now for 4 weeks he might end PCT too soon. a very common mistake i've seen done by many guys.
trust me I have come off and still gaining strength after cyp a full month after last injection thinking foolishly that my PCT must have been fantastic lol. then the party was over and my strength came back to earth around week 5 and on
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Thanks for posting and saying what I was trying to Steve. That is exactly the way I understood things also and makes perfect sense.
My question to you would be....Is 14 days after a test C or E cycle too soon to start PCT in your opinion, considering everything you posted...or does extending PCT out to around 6 weeks make more sense?
I have been cycling for 4 some years now on and off and the first couple cycles were rough so i did a lot of trial and error to find a good way to do it.
i have found when running a long ester to start kickstarting things off after last injection with hcg and HMG for 2-3 weeks, then start PCT and run it around 6 weeks .. it has worked well for me. the biggest mistake we see and one guy posted a thread about his bad experience was that people start a pct too soon and finish it too soon before the esters even clear. this leaves them exposed bigtime
digit0x
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Given what steve just said, then the ideal time to start PCT is variable depending on dose?
Lets say you were to run 1000mg, which isn't uncommon, for simplicity sake, inject every 7 days, for a 12 week cycle.
I setup an excel sheet to do the math for me. This is what I got:
Peak levels in blood are more or less week 6 at just over 1900.
It stays there till your last inject.
6th week (post last inject) you are at close to 30mg(Aprox. avg natural test production)
For 500mg/week the 30mg mark comes 1 week sooner at week 5.
What I'm getting out of this is to start PCT immediately with HCG/HMG, but perhaps it is not beneficial yet to start SERM therapy until closer to natural levels around week 4-6 or so depending on dose. Which is more or less the way most folks do it around here.
This thread got good, I will post back soon. Right now I'm in Penn state about to take my 19 yr old gf out to dinner. Im 24! Youngest i ever went And whatever's doing what I'm loving life right now on everything I'm on!!! And so is she. Very hard to " finish" though but when I do, it insane! Like niagra falls seriously I can't even explain.
Anyhow I want to further this topic in a bit. Thanks everyone for the help, I just want to do this right and. Safely. I also have no issue running pct 6 weeks.
Anyhow I want to further this topic in a bit. Thanks everyone for the help, I just want to do this right and. Safely. I also have no issue running pct 6 weeks.
Haha I believe you there! I believe I'm on my last "young-in" days now tbh. They really dont know what they doing and almost always let emotion control everything. Not that that's a horrible thing but hearing " we can't have sex until we are in love and you have met my parents" is 100% not what I want to hear!
