blood work from primo/var cycle

[stevesmi]

I wanted to share my results and also give some insight..

I am on 400-600/week Robolics labs primo (PIP comes and goes but definitely smooth primo GSO based, as smooth as you will find for legit primo) plus 40-50mg of var (pharma com) per week for the past 4 weeks or so.

my RBC's were in line which I found interesting because that number has always been hot for me even off cycle. my other lipids were all in line EXCEPT for creatinine which was .02 higher than normal (totally normal with a bodybuilder to have that number come in hot as we are constantly re-cycling muscle) also my AST came in at 46 which is 6 points higher than normal range. this tells me I have some sort of muscle injury which is interesting because I went into the test pretty sore from my workouts (perhaps that's what elevated it?).

my ALT came in 28 which is well in range!! which proves if you take your n2guard and you DO NOT drink on cycle your liver will be fine on var.

my LH and FSH were near 0 which is normal but here is the interesting thing.. my total T levels were 535.... this proves YOU DO NOT have to run "test" with your cycle and no your T levels won't go to 0 without Test. it also tells me that a small TRT dose of Test might be a good idea for anyone who runs a cycle like this to push total T levels into the 4 digit range to get a boost in libido and extra aggression. BUT its not necessary like I have always preached.

other than that EVERYTHING came in normal, so anyone who says steroids are 'dangerous' blah blah blah I hope this shows that's bullshit as long as you eat good and take care of yourself. responsible cycling of steroids is safe

questions, comments, opinions???

 

[stevesmi]

and a big thanks to privatemdlabs for getting me these results so fucking fast.. I had my bloodwork yesterday at 4:30 done.. and today I get my results emailed in the morning.. try that with your doctor !

here is how you can get your bloods with these guys, they are super fast. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...rivate-md-labs-bloodwork-15-code-1268793.html

 

[Jbranken]

The female hormone panel always comes back in less than 24 hours for me too! They rock

I'm a bit confused though.. With running primo/var or any steroid for that matter, wouldn't your test serum read well above normal range even without the addition of testosterone??? I thought any exogenous androgen would show elevated T serum levels since all steroids are a derivative of testosterone

 

[stevesmi]

^^^^ it shows up but not fully ... certain AAS are like that in my experience.. some blow your T levels up and others barely move them.

if it didn't show up at all my T levels would be double digits

 

[Jbranken]

^^^^ it shows up but not fully ... certain AAS are like that in my experience.. some blow your T levels up and others barely move them.

if it didn't show up at all my T levels would be double digits

Makes sense...mine are off the charts with tren right now. I never tested when using primo

 

[stevesmi]

Makes sense...mine are off the charts with tren right now. I never tested when using primo

yeah tren sends mine through the roof too.

I think DHT's are a bit different in the way they show up

 

[joonp]

and a big thanks to privatemdlabs for getting me these results so fucking fast.. I had my bloodwork yesterday at 4:30 done.. and today I get my results emailed in the morning.. try that with your doctor !

here is how you can get your bloods with these guys, they are super fast. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...rivate-md-labs-bloodwork-15-code-1268793.html

Yep 24 hr turnaround on mine. Very impressed an will b a staple in the future

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[Nelson Montana]

Not bad. ANd yeah, creatinine is something bodybuilders have to watch out for. Yes, steroids aren't that bad IF....you take the right precautions. N2GUARD is a must.

 

[Jbranken]

Not bad. ANd yeah, creatinine is something bodybuilders have to watch out for. Yes, steroids aren't that bad IF....you take the right precautions. N2GUARD is a must.

I won't touch a steroid without n2guard, no matter how anxious I am to cycle

 

[Arabian]

Very nice Steve, I had mine drawn through my dr. last week and my total T came back at 835, so I am happy with that. I am running Test 500 per week along with 600 EQ.

 

[RickRock13]

The female hormone panel always comes back in less than 24 hours for me too! They rock

I'm a bit confused though.. With running primo/var or any steroid for that matter, wouldn't your test serum read well above normal range even without the addition of testosterone??? I thought any exogenous androgen would show elevated T serum levels since all steroids are a derivative of testosterone

This was my thought initially as well, but apparently different AAS affects total test differently

 

[JRider]

yeah tren sends mine through the roof too.

I think DHT's are a bit different in the way they show up

Since different steroids can show up as testosterone, be it tren or primo, don't you think your blood result does not really give an accurate reading as far as testosterone level goes? What shows up as testosterone may be something similar to testosterone. It just reacts similarly as testosterone to the detecting agents in the blood test.

In that sense, your normal reading of testosterone level does not really mean your actual testosterone level is okay and testosterone is not needed for cycles.

As we all know, testosterone plays many roles in our body. Having a normal testosterone reading due to other chemical showing up as testosterone does not necessarily mean everything is good and dandy I would say.

I am sorry but I just want to point out what does not sound right to me. I always appreciate your knowledge and experience.

 

[stevesmi]

Since different steroids can show up as testosterone, be it tren or primo, don't you think your blood result does not really give an accurate reading as far as testosterone level goes? What shows up as testosterone may be something similar to testosterone. It just reacts similarly as testosterone to the detecting agents in the blood test.

In that sense, your normal reading of testosterone level does not really mean your actual testosterone level is okay and testosterone is not needed for cycles.

As we all know, testosterone plays many roles in our body. Having a normal testosterone reading due to other chemical showing up as testosterone does not necessarily mean everything is good and dandy I would say.

I am sorry but I just want to point out what does not sound right to me. I always appreciate your knowledge and experience.

you just counter acted your point in your post..

first you said my bloods were not accurate then you made a point as to why based on my bloods A, B, and C. I could turn your concern around and say exactly what you said that testosterone can show up as something else which is why my levels aren't 1500+.. see what i'm saying?

keep in mind these bloods are 4 weeks into a cycle.. they aren't post cycle. the main reason I ran this was to show how healthy responsible steroid cycling is on the lipids and on the liver. also keep in mind I haven't injected testosterone for 3 years on any of my cycles and I'm the biggest, meanest, strongest I've ever been. so no you don't NEED to run test, but as I said in my original post it wouldn't hurt for me to run a small dose to add some kick to my cycle, but based on the pumps and strength I displayed today in the gym I would say its not even necessary

 

[JRider]

you just counter acted your point in your post..

first you said my bloods were not accurate then you made a point as to why based on my bloods A, B, and C. I could turn your concern around and say exactly what you said that testosterone can show up as something else which is why my levels aren't 1500+.. see what i'm saying?

keep in mind these bloods are 4 weeks into a cycle.. they aren't post cycle. the main reason I ran this was to show how healthy responsible steroid cycling is on the lipids and on the liver.

I appreciate you sharing the blood results. I agree with you that you showed how a responsible cycle is done and your lipids and liver readings are the prof.

I don't think I have counted my own points though. My main point is your testosterone reading is not accurate. And that leads to my humble opinion or conclusion that we don't know what your actual testosterone level is or weather running primo alone is perfectly okay without testosterone as base. That's all.

 

[JRider]

you just counter acted your point in your post..

first you said my bloods were not accurate then you made a point as to why based on my bloods A, B, and C. I could turn your concern around and say exactly what you said that testosterone can show up as something else which is why my levels aren't 1500+.. see what i'm saying?

keep in mind these bloods are 4 weeks into a cycle.. they aren't post cycle. the main reason I ran this was to show how healthy responsible steroid cycling is on the lipids and on the liver. also keep in mind I haven't injected testosterone for 3 years on any of my cycles and I'm the biggest, meanest, strongest I've ever been. so no you don't NEED to run test, but as I said in my original post it wouldn't hurt for me to run a small dose to add some kick to my cycle, but based on the pumps and strength I displayed today in the gym I would say its not even necessary

I now see your added info how you have the size and strength without test. I agree that proves your point, with personal experience. Once again, I appreciate what you did.

 

[stevesmi]

that's fine bro I want discussion and opinions/experiences.

that's why I started this thread. wish more guys would post up bloods to take a look, everyone can learn from these.

also having blood taken out like this is very healthy, just like getting an oil change.. everyone should get bloodwork atleast every 4 months