Bloat in my Face

[Marauder79]

How do i get rid of the bloat in my face while im ON.

My face gets really puffy with water i take it?.

What is the best thing to take for bloat?

Maybe Nolva?

 

[savage1026]

arimidex

 

[Wrongun]

10mg of Nolva ED will assist and ensure you drink plenty of water with no sodium

Wrongun!

 

[azul]

10mg of Nolva ED will assist and ensure you drink plenty of water with no sodium

Wrongun!

You need an anti-aromatase to reduce bloat.

 

[Stacemranger]

Adex at .5mg ED.

 

[Breeze]

Might also consider adding some proviron, it tends to dry you up a bit.

 

[Wrongun]

You need an anti-aromatase to reduce bloat.

Sorry are you suggesting that Nolva will NOT reduce the bloat if so you are very wrong my friend.

Wrongun!

 

[Makavelli]

Arimidex will help. I know for myself, I hold a lot of fat in my face. Therefore when I'm holding water my face blows up. I mean people don't recognize me.

 

[azul]

Sorry are you suggesting that Nolva will NOT reduce the bloat if so you are very wrong my friend.

Wrongun!

"Weight gain can be a side effect of tamoxifen and this is sometimes due to water retention but at other times a consequence of a eating more either due to a increased appetite or mild nausea - "to settle the stomach" . See coping with weight gain."

http://www.cancernet.co.uk/tamoxifen.htm

Several sites on nolvadex suggest it might increase water retention. A lot of sites that bodybuilders suggest it decreases it.

Nolvadex does not reduce estrogen. Anti-aromatase do. If we are looking to get rid of bloat caused by estrogen, then how exactly will nolvadex help if it does not reduce estrogen?

 

[help4john]

.5mg Arimidex EOD....if not successful try ED.

 

[Wrongun]

"Weight gain can be a side effect of tamoxifen and this is sometimes due to water retention but at other times a consequence of a eating more either due to a increased appetite or mild nausea - "to settle the stomach" . See coping with weight gain."

http://www.cancernet.co.uk/tamoxifen.htm

Several sites on nolvadex suggest it might increase water retention. A lot of sites that bodybuilders suggest it decreases it.

Nolvadex does not reduce estrogen. Anti-aromatase do. If we are looking to get rid of bloat caused by estrogen, then how exactly will nolvadex help if it does not reduce estrogen?

Tamoxifen i.e. Nolva is technically an estrogen agonist/antagonist. Nolva competitively binds to estrogen receptors in various target tissues. With the tamoxifen molecule bound to this receptor, estrogen is blocked from exerting any action, and an anti-estrogenic effect is achieved.

Arimidex prevents estrogen from being manufactured in the first place.

Estrogen can also lead to an increase in the level of water retained in the body. Fat storage may also be increased as estrogen levels rise

Many androgenic/anabolic steroids will exhibit their most powerful anabolic effect when accompanied by a sufficient level of estrogen.

As he is ONLY concerned with regards some water bloat and NOT gyno symptoms and as we still wish to allow a sufficient level of estrogen then i suggest Nolva

Now if he was looking for a stronger antiestrogenic effect THEN consider using Arimidex as it is much more effective for estrogen control.

Lastly then in terms of cost i would say using Arimidex just for water bloat reduction is really overkill

Hope this explains my reasoning better but speaking from experience i have used Nolva at 10mg ED many many many times to keep blaot in control when on high dosage dbol etc

Wrongun!

 

[Wrongun]

"Weight gain can be a side effect of tamoxifen and this is sometimes due to water retention but at other times a consequence of a eating more either due to a increased appetite or mild nausea - "to settle the stomach" . See coping with weight gain."

http://www.cancernet.co.uk/tamoxifen.htm

Several sites on nolvadex suggest it might increase water retention. A lot of sites that bodybuilders suggest it decreases it.

Nolvadex does not reduce estrogen. Anti-aromatase do. If we are looking to get rid of bloat caused by estrogen, then how exactly will nolvadex help if it does not reduce estrogen?

Your link is with reference to woman who have a different fat distribution than men and certainly not comparable in body building and the case we discuss.

Wrongun!

 

[Falklands]

Try not using steroids in the first place

 

[azul]

Your link is with reference to woman who have a different fat distribution than men and certainly not comparable in body building and the case we discuss.

Wrongun!

I agree that nolvadex might reduce water retention in breast tissue, but nowhere else. I would love to see evidence showing that nolva reduces water retention. Considering that nolva reduces estrogen and doesn't eliminate it, such a statement makes absolutely no sense to me.

I also believe that estrogen is very necessary for a lot of good things in your body, and I would never preach some of the high doses some people take to keep themelves "dry". Nonetheless, I don't think that .5mg ed or 1mg eod will do much to reduce gains, since it doesn't reduce estrogen more than ~ 50% (someone with some good evidence posted that number a while ago), and considering that estrogen is higher while on a cycle using aromatizing steroids, I do not believe that -50% would reduce estrogen too much.

 

[dark side]

Arimidex would be one of the better ideas in my humble opinion. Another thing you should be doing is drinking lots of water, this will aid in keep the water off.

DarkSide

 

[Falklands]

Arimidex would be one of the better ideas in my humble opinion. Another thing you should be doing is drinking lots of water, this will aid in keep the water off.

DarkSide

Yes, I remember in my last job I was a chef in a large hotel. The stress was unreal physically and the dehydration was massive. I could feel the dehydration in the back of my neck. Not getting enought fluid and that was one of the reasons for alot of my bloat. The only plus was that as a chef you can eat steak all the time. I ate about $100 worth of food a day, but 7pm - 9:30pm was fucking murder.

 

[Wrongun]

I agree that nolvadex might reduce water retention in breast tissue, but nowhere else. I would love to see evidence showing that nolva reduces water retention. Considering that nolva reduces estrogen and doesn't eliminate it, such a statement makes absolutely no sense to me.

I also believe that estrogen is very necessary for a lot of good things in your body, and I would never preach some of the high doses some people take to keep themelves "dry". Nonetheless, I don't think that .5mg ed or 1mg eod will do much to reduce gains, since it doesn't reduce estrogen more than ~ 50% (someone with some good evidence posted that number a while ago), and considering that estrogen is higher while on a cycle using aromatizing steroids, I do not believe that -50% would reduce estrogen too much.

You are now losing me as why would it reduce it just in breat tissue what is your thinking about that. Did you read my post and yes i am well aware of the medical use of Arimidex and Nolva but this is a body building site and we are discussing its use in body building (and why i mentioned the link you issued)

I said estrogen is blocked from exerting any action, and an anti-estrogenic effect is achieved. Nolva does not ''reduce it as you say'' BUT Arimidex prevents estrogen from being manufactured in the first place and you say estrogen is very necessary (which i have to add i agree with).

Now i have not discussed reduction of gains we were discussing water bloat were we not?

In terms of evidence i am living, walking proof and thought i had explained myself first time around and not sure which bit you are questioning and if you are you are advising Arimidex for water bloat. Please explain why Nolva will only reduce water retention in the breast and Arimidex all over LOL

Think i must have miss understood your reply as struggling to make any sence of it

Wrongun!

 

[azul]

You are now losing me as why would it reduce it just in breat tissue what is your thinking about that. Did you read my post and yes i am well aware of the medical use of Arimidex and Nolva but this is a body building site and we are discussing its use in body building (and why i mentioned the link you issued)

I said estrogen is blocked from exerting any action, and an anti-estrogenic effect is achieved. Nolva does not ''reduce it as you say'' BUT Arimidex prevents estrogen from being manufactured in the first place and you say estrogen is very necessary (which i have to add i agree with).

Now i have not discussed reduction of gains we were discussing water bloat were we not?

In terms of evidence i am living, walking proof and thought i had explained myself first time around and not sure which bit you are questioning and if you are you are advising Arimidex for water bloat. Please explain why Nolva will only reduce water retention in the breast and Arimidex all over LOL

Think i must have miss understood your reply as struggling to make any sence of it

Wrongun!

As far as I know, nolvadex is an antiestrogen that works by blocking estrogen in breast tissue, but nowhere else. This might lead to less water retention where there is less estrogen (breasts), but the same amount of water retention anywhere else, since estrogen is not blocked anywhere else. Arimidex, on the other hand, will reduce estrogen and thus bloat (but it will still leave enough estrogen to encourage muscle growth). There is no scientific evidence proving that nolvadex reduces bloat. Just because you think it does, does not necessarily mean it's true.

 

[Wrongun]

Considering that nolva reduces estrogen and

You state that but in an earlier post above you state

Nolvadex does not reduce estrogen

Which one is it in your opinion as you seem to be confusing yourself

Wrongun!

 

[azul]

Considering that nolva reduces estrogen and

You state that but in an earlier post above you state

Nolvadex does not reduce estrogen

Which one is it in your opinion as you seem to be confusing yourself

Wrongun!

I meant to say blocks at breast receptor sites instead of reduces.

 

[ass_face]

Put Preperation H all over your face.

That's what I do... but of course I am an assface.

 

[cboogsrun]

I ordered femera and only took 1/4 a ml for 4 days and that did the trick. Hoever I put on 16lbs in 2 weeks, used the femera and only put on another 6lbs. So there maybe something better suited.

Boogs

How do i get rid of the bloat in my face while im ON.

My face gets really puffy with water i take it?.

What is the best thing to take for bloat?

Maybe Nolva?

 

[Wrongun]

As far as I know, nolvadex is an antiestrogen that works by blocking estrogen in breast tissue, but nowhere else. This might lead to less water retention where there is less estrogen (breasts), but the same amount of water retention anywhere else, since estrogen is not blocked anywhere else. Arimidex, on the other hand, will reduce estrogen and thus bloat (but it will still leave enough estrogen to encourage muscle growth). There is no scientific evidence proving that nolvadex reduces bloat. Just because you think it does, does not necessarily mean it's true.

Why does it JUST block estrogen in breast tissue what is teh science behind that? This is where we differ as i am unsure as to how the medication can differentiate between estrogen in the breast tissue and anywhere else.

As we have discussed Arimidex is a medication that works differently. Nolva blocks the estrogen from exerting any action, and an anti-estrogenic effect is achieved. Arimidex prevents estrogen from being manufactured in the first place

So using your theory above why does Arimidex not just prevent estrogen in the breast tissue??????????

I have explained my reasoning above in my first reply to you. You have since posted examples relating to females non associated with body building (which is what i thought we discussed). I have also stated i have used Nolva on a plethora of occassions to reduce the bloat from heavy Dbol dosages etc and it works.

Just because you read a website with regards breast cancer treatment does not mean to say the medication can not be used effectively in body building and please remeber the male and female bodies are very different

Wrongun!

 

[DMI]

Dandelion root works extremely well for me, and I've always been incredibly sensitive to bloating. However, you have to take big dosages of it. I take 5 tabs in the a.m and 5/6 tabs before bed.

 

[azul]

Why does it JUST block estrogen in breast tissue what is teh science behind that? This is where we differ as i am unsure as to how the medication can differentiate between estrogen in the breast tissue and anywhere else.

As we have discussed Arimidex is a medication that works differently. Nolva blocks the estrogen from exerting any action, and an anti-estrogenic effect is achieved. Arimidex prevents estrogen from being manufactured in the first place

So using your theory above why does Arimidex not just prevent estrogen in the breast tissue??????????

I have explained my reasoning above in my first reply to you. You have since posted examples relating to females non associated with body building (which is what i thought we discussed). I have also stated i have used Nolva on a plethora of occassions to reduce the bloat from heavy Dbol dosages etc and it works.

Just because you read a website with regards breast cancer treatment does not mean to say the medication can not be used effectively in body building and please remeber the male and female bodies are very different

Wrongun!

"Arimidex prevents estrogen from being manufactured in the first place" Wrong. Your body still produces estrogen. It simply blocks a certain percentage of aromatization.

Bro, nolvadex is used to fight breast cancer caused by estrogens, as well as (I believe) certain other cancers caused by estrogens. Nolvadex is an estrogen-antagonist.

The male and female body isn't that different... drugs almost always work in the same way. Please show me any scientific evidence that nolva reduces estrogen. If it does, I will gladly start using it instead of arimidex, and you'll have done us all a great favour by saving us money.

 

[Wrongun]

"Arimidex prevents estrogen from being manufactured in the first place" Wrong. Your body still produces estrogen. It simply blocks a certain percentage of aromatization.

Bro, nolvadex is used to fight breast cancer caused by estrogens, as well as (I believe) certain other cancers caused by estrogens. Nolvadex is an estrogen-antagonist.

The male and female body isn't that different... drugs almost always work in the same way. Please show me any scientific evidence that nolva reduces estrogen. If it does, I will gladly start using it instead of arimidex, and you'll have done us all a great favour by saving us money.

You are really confusing me now so please pick up where i am going wrong.

Please remeber we are talking about water retention and how to reduce it. I stated Nolva will assist and you state it must be Arimidex. I am then issuing my reason as why Nolva will assist and it does not have to be Arimidex. The topic is also BODY BUILDING NOTHING ELSE ok so lets proceed on that basis as you seem to be jumping from point to point and it is being confused IMHO

Ok my definition of Nolva was from the first page

Tamoxifen i.e. Nolva is technically an estrogen agonist/antagonist. Nolva competitively binds to estrogen receptors in various target tissues. With the tamoxifen molecule bound to this receptor, estrogen is blocked from exerting any action, and an anti-estrogenic effect is achieved

I will now explain Arimidex as you have corrected my termonology by stating it is simply an anti-aromitase and YES WILL assist in prevent bloating I DO NOT DEBATE THIS POINT I DO STATE NOLVA WILL AS WELL.

I have then explained IMHO estrogen can also lead to an increase in the level of water retained in the body.

In terms of the male & female body they are very different especially when applied to body building and the meds that are used let alone they have a different fat distribution (hips etc). Anyway i am sure you are aware of that.

You requested ''any scientific evidence that nolva reduces estrogen'' please as i have requested read my comments and why i have stated yet again as you stated it reduces estrogen and then stated it did not (please see my thread earlier with regards to this). I have stated all along that estrogen is blocked from exerting any action, and an anti-estrogenic effect is achieved. Nolva does not ''reduce it as you say'' so i would be suprised if you could find scientific evidence as if there is i would like to see it myself.

If you would like to see a scientific evidence that estrogen is blocked from exerting any action then there is a plethora as thats is what the medication is designed to do and sure you have seen them or can locate with a search of this site

Hope that has explained my thought process better

Wrongun!

 

[azul]

I give up.

 

[Wrongun]

I give up.

Give up with what sorry. If i am wrong then please say as from experience it works and above is my reasoning of why i think it works.

Unfortunately you have confused me by first saying it reduces then saying it does not etc etc etc. I have re-read the thread and feel my approach has been consistant.

The benefits of these boards is taken from debate but it does require a consistant approach. We are all here to learn and no matter how many years we have been in the game it does not mean we are right (look as some of the methodology of Dan Duchane that has been proved flawed).

The above is my thinking and reasoning and my experience where i have used myself it works. That does not mean i am right though and hence why i have debated with you

Wrongun!

 

[azul]

Give up with what sorry. If i am wrong then please say as from experience it works and above is my reasoning of why i think it works.

Unfortunately you have confused me by first saying it reduces then saying it does not etc etc etc. I have re-read the thread and feel my approach has been consistant.

The benefits of these boards is taken from debate but it does require a consistant approach. We are all here to learn and no matter how many years we have been in the game it does not mean we are right (look as some of the methodology of Dan Duchane that has been proved flawed).

The above is my thinking and reasoning and my experience where i have used myself it works. That does not mean i am right though and hence why i have debated with you

Wrongun!

I have used nolva before and it did nothing to reduce bloat. I will not believe it reduces bloat unless I see evidence, and I'm sorry, but you saying that it does it not enough to me.

I can't really think of any good arguments right now... I'm sick as hell and feel like shit.

 

[Wrongun]

I have used nolva before and it did nothing to reduce bloat. I will not believe it reduces bloat unless I see evidence, and I'm sorry, but you saying that it does it not enough to me.

I can't really think of any good arguments right now... I'm sick as hell and feel like shit.

Strange as it certainly reuced it for me on many many occasions.

As for arguments there are none just beneficial debate. You have my reasoning maybe someone else will comment.

Hope you feel better soon bro and K to you

Wrongun!