blast time, thinking primo for a change...

[moya]

stats
32
5'5"
160ish
11-12%

current lifts/ best lifts
squat 455/ 465
bench 235/ 265
dead 500/ 535

my goal is to squat 500 by the end of the year... i would like to do this in a competition, but the only one im seeing that im interested in is 6 weeks away, so i may just do that one and try to get as close to 500 as i can and then just find another one to do next year...

i dont like to bloat a lot, and im trying to stay in a competitive weight class... i also dont like to run tren anymore, i just get too pissed off on it, though i do think its a necessity for lifting at my strongest, do i will keep its length to a minimum...

im just coming to the end of about 4 weeks of oral winny @75mg/day... along with a little trt test just under 200mg/wk...

this is the blast im thinking about running, probably start in about 2 weeks from today if everything comes through...

1-12+ test p 350-700/wk (will adjust as necessary)
1-10 primo depot 400/wk
3-8 primo ace 80-90/ed
1-12 npp 150/wk (for joints)
10 days of tren 100/ed leading up to competition (would depend on what one i do)

what else guys? im not running any AI's becasue i dont need them on those doses, though i do have letro and prami on hand as usual...

i would consider running an oral or even a little mast, but its already getting a bit pricy...

no pct as im just going to cruise my test out as before... might try somthing on a bridge like GH now that im approaching my mid 30's...

 

[stevesmi]

the strongest i ever got was off tren/var stack 350 a week + 60mg var. take that for what its worth. and I gained probably a net of 1 pound on that cycle. so if you need to make weight plus get stronger that is the #1 route I would recommend.

tren ace the sweet spot for strength comes on week 4.. thats when your strength really gets ridiculous and I do mean ridiculous

your other option if you don't want tren or var.. is beastdrol for strength. i remember i struggled to hit 350 on the bench but when i went on beast after week 2 i finally got over the hump.

I've run primo and I honestly did not have much of a strength boost.. i looked leaner and more cut on it and it was an interesting experience but it fell short with strength improvements.

 

[dylangemelli]

Halo may be another option for you to consider... I'm a big fan of primo and think you'll do well with it but as steve said, I'm not sure it will deliver on your expectation in the strength department

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[moya]

hmmm...the main reason i was going to try the primo was because i was going to get a super super great hookup on it... but if you dont think at almost a gram i would get decent strength then maybe i should rethink things...
i figured at that dose i would almost have to have great strength gains... i would also like to see how it make me look, though that is not nearly as important to me...

as far as the tren goes, i react VERY VERY quick to it... if i just blast it fast before a meet i will get a good 30-40lb boost to my squat FOR SURE... if not more... i just dont want to deal with the anger issues running it any longer, and it works well the way i have it planned so im not even tempted to try running it for any more than i have to for competition sake...

maybe abombs with the primo?... i want to try somthing new, i have not used eq either, though im no fan of long esters....

 

[moya]

Halo may be another option for you to consider... I'm a big fan of primo and think you'll do well with it but as steve said, I'm not sure it will deliver on your expectation in the strength department

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honestly its in the same boat for me as the tren.. i could run it a couple weeks max but i just dont need to be all pissed off all the time like it makes me...
i might consider picking some up and using it as a preworkout though.... that is a gooood idea

 

[stevesmi]

primo needs something anabolic with it to give it a kick either way. so i would consider running an oral alongside it.

some legit dbol or anadrol would work. but you said you didn't want any aromatization or weight gain right? so thats why i suggested var or beastdrol instead. var does take a little while to build up in the system. beastdrol takes only 2 weeks but the sides are tremendous, you probably will react to it like you did tren.. if you run 60mg of legit var you will be shocked at your strength gains by week 4 and how little sides you get, probably the most underated strength AAS out there due to many guys getting fakes and thinking it did nothing for them. just protect your liver of course

 

[moya]

keep in mind guys im going to be coming off of winny and i am starting to have to really work now to make weight (148)... im really counting on drugs like mast and winny to keep me dry so i dont have to totally dehydrate myself... that is another reason i was considering primo...
i would much rather run anabolics that dry me out than ai's that take away from my strength....

 

[dylangemelli]

honestly its in the same boat for me as the tren.. i could run it a couple weeks max but i just dont need to be all pissed off all the time like it makes me...
i might consider picking some up and using it as a preworkout though.... that is a gooood idea

That's completely understandable...the aggression can be bad... I would still run the primo bro... if your looking for a different oral to kick then tbol is another good option

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[moya]

i may just wait to the end of the cycle and run winny again, i just love it... either that or a bombs, never ran them before and im up to try out some new stuff... i think almost a gram of primo should be plenty to keep me dry from that...
really my training is going to dictate how most of this works out... im going to have to kill it hella hard, but not overtrain either, and its a really fine line...

 

[UA_Iron]

Tren is garbage IMO. Sure it'll make you strong, but it'll probably put weight on you bro. The weird pissiness that comes with it, the shitty sleep, the fatigue, the odd thoughts and progestin sides.

It doesn't hold a candle to Halotestin. Run 30mg/day 3-4 weeks out from your competition, it'll blow tren out of the water. You wont gain any weight on it, or bloat, or anything weird. It's a good predictable drug that will help you stay extra motivated/aggressive during low calorie cutting phases. It fits the bill better than anything really...

Have you run primo before? The injections suck big time. I've never complained about putting 6ml's into one site, but primo is like getting shot by a goddamn gun. At 750mg/week I loved it though (along with mast e, test e).

Good luck buddy