Bill Maher = An American Hero!!

[2Thick]

The man is absolutely right!!

You really have to be an ignorant piece smelly pig shit to think for one second that sending missiles from 2000 miles away and flying a plane into a building are all that different. They are both ways of killing innocent people indiscriminately. Many innocent people died when the cruise missiles hit Afghanistan. I understand that it was nothing compared to the carnage on Sept. 11 but it is the same type of act.

I totally despise the evil people that were involved in the horrible terrorist acts of Sept. 11, but Bill Maher is right when he called THE ACT OF SENDING A MISSILE cowardly. Notice he never called the people of the military cowardly...only that action.

Stop using your emotions to think and use your brain (which will be hard for 80% of the people on this board, but you can try).

 

[RyanH]

Good point, although I'm not sure if I agree with you.

Mr. Maher is right on 95% of the things he says.

The radical right-wing extremists hate him because he doesn't tell them what they want to hear. Very often he makes us see ourselves for what we really are----and to some that's a frightening reality.

Ryan

 

[Kakdiesel]

Hey 2thick, dikaia upotheke

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I agree that this particular operation must be engaged with ground troops and it looks as though that is what will happen. As for the Iraq war, missiles were sufficient. There was no need to risk American lives.

The situation in Afghanistan is much different and I hope the powers above realize that. I think Bush will do the right thing.

 

[2Thick]

Hey 2thick, dikaia upotheke

Forever, brother!

 

[Y_lifter]

Thick, Isn't it great that we live in a Country where we can Agree to Disagree?

I'm part of the 20% because I am willing to state my views without lowering myself to sub human standards.

Is it Cowardly not to risk lives when we don't have to by using remote weapons?
No, I think it is smart. It sounds like will have to risk lives, and we will, sad to say in this situation.

 

[spentagn]

Good point, although I'm not sure if I agree with you.

Mr. Maher is right on 95% of the things he says.

The radical right-wing extremists hate him because he doesn't tell them what they want to hear. Very often he makes us see ourselves for what we really are----and to some that's a frightening reality.

Ryan

Is that the same as Limbaugh, just for the other side?

 

[2Thick]

Is that the same as Limbaugh, just for the other side?

Not really because Maher is also against many predominately Democratic views.

He cannot be neatly fit into one group. That really annoys many people.

 

[RyanH]

Is that the same as Limbaugh, just for the other side?

Bill Maher is an educated and a reasonable man.

Rush Limbaugh is hot air. If you want to name a conservative I respect or that's worthy of joining the ranks of Bill Maher try George Will----intelligent and enlightened.

 

[Kakdiesel]

Bill Mahr is not GI JOE...

Only Snake Eyes, Duke, Flint, Beachead, Roadblock, Lifeline, Scarlet, Lady J, Shipwreck, and others are REAL AMERICAN HEROES

dont you all know anything???

 

[Crazier]

You're not alone 2Thick. I don't understand where the U.S. comes up with this "cowardly" phrase. I'm not trying to condone flying into buildings, I hope we fry their asses, however, is it really cowardly to personally fly a plane into a building to support your cause? If they could shoot bombs at us, they would. Since they can't the only way to really try and conquer us would be through these "cowardly" suicide missions.

To anyone that detests, please explain the following:
Pushing a button 2,000 miles away, not putting yourself any harms way in any manner... how do explain that to be brave?

Again, I hope we do light the mofucker's up... but Maher has a point, and because of this, his sponsors drop him. I wonder how they would answer the above question. Anyone???
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[dballer]

Good point, although I'm not sure if I agree with you.

Mr. Maher is right on 95% of the things he says.

The radical right-wing extremists hate him because he doesn't tell them what they want to hear. Very often he makes us see ourselves for what we really are----and to some that's a frightening reality.

Ryan

Bullshit, he tells the left wingers what they want to hear. Lets face it, anyone right-wing is not gonna get good ratings. Of course Bill is going to shoot towards the left. If sending missiles overseas is an act of a coward... so is being a big pussy and conforming to New American standards.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Notice he never called the people of the military cowardly...only that action.

The only PERSON who deserves the term coward for that action is Bill Clinton. After all, it was his call to launch the missile. But then again, cowardly behavior instead of reasoned military action is nothing new for a draft dodger.

He is the American MOST responsbile for what happened on sept 11.

 

[Weapon X]

Rush Limbaugh is hot air.

Nothing to back this assertion? I'm not surprised.

 

[Kakdiesel]

OUCH skywalker..the force is strong with you...

Maybe he is, but then again, its like blaming the manager of a baseball team cuz his team didnt win the world series and firing him or whatever.

Yes, we fucked up...every branch of our govt fucked this one up...there were mistakes..many have conceded to that, some may have apologized, some do not wish us to know.

but back to the topic, I feel a bit more comfortable after watching a thing on the news about George Jr. having Sr. still around for advice.

they were talking about how Sr. is his most important advisor cuz no one right now knows more about the Middle East than George Sr (who was formerl head of the CIA back in da day)

Hopefully we will send our kids to school one day and they will come home and say, "daddy daddy i learned about how some terrorist group in the middle east blew up these big buildings in new york called the Trade Centers and how our country killed them all "

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Bill Maher = An American Hero!!

The only PERSON who deserves the term coward for that action is Bill Clinton. After all, it was his call to launch the missile. But then again, cowardly behavior instead of reasoned military action is nothing new for a draft dodger.

He is the American MOST responsbile for what happened on sept 11.

Bill Clinton has been blamed by extremists for everything. For instance, under George Bush Sr. the economy sucked, and then under President Clinton the economy was prosperous for 8 long years.

Now that Bush Jr. is in office, the economy sucks again, and radical extremists are trying to pin that on President Clinton, although he is no longer in office. LOL.

Now, if President Clinton hadn't responded with attacks he would have been called a coward by some of you, and yet he responded and he's still called a coward. The fact of the matter is that Bush is no braver than President Clinton is.

Where was G.W. during Vietnam? He certaintly wasn't in the line of fire. Bush has indeed handled this crisis well. But that doesn't make him brave. Bush has still yet to put his life on the line for this nation. The jealousy that so many people feel over the succesful Clintonian era is astounding.........But never fear, Hillary is out there leading the troops in New York as we speak.

Ryan.

 

[RyanH]

Nothing to back this assertion? I'm not surprised.

The proof is in his audience. The only listeners Rush Limbaugh has our radical extremists on the fringes of the Republican party...ie. the Ku Klux Klan and racists. Of course, the very wealthy also like him. But mainstream he is not.

On the other hand, Bill Maher has a succesful television show, and has broad appeal as evidenced by his ratings.

Rush Limbaugh has blamed women, gays, every religion besides Christians for every problem in this country.....Indeed, he is hot air.

Ryan

 

[talonracer]

I'm no fan of clinton, but he did lob a cruise missle into Iraq when the US learned of a plot to assasinate Bush on a visit to the middle east.Thumbs up in my book.

 

[Checkmatebloated]

Many people favor the views of Willie Nelson. "Smoke up, drink up for you live a short life."

 

[Kakdiesel]

really talonracer? where is this documented? i never knew that..and how does Clinton have the power to do so now?

anyways, I think GW has done well...just like his father did in Desert Storm...neither did or will do a PERFECT job..but will do enough to make our country better..

However, something that has occurred to me, when G Sr. was in office, his approval rating went out the roof in 1991 (the year before he coulda got re-elected) but got beat pretty handily by this country boy governor from Arkansas...

anyways, GW has his approving sky high, for now...I doubt this will have any effect on his re-election

 

[Weapon X]

The proof is in his audience. The only listeners Rush Limbaugh has our radical extremists on the fringes of the Republican party...ie. the Ku Klux Klan and racists. Of course, the very wealthy also like him. But mainstream he is not.

On the other hand, Bill Maher has a succesful television show, and has broad appeal as evidenced by his ratings.

Rush Limbaugh has blamed women, gays, every religion besides Christians for every problem in this country.....Indeed, he is hot air.

Ryan

Nothing to back your assertions again? Again, I'm not surprised.
At least make an effort to provide citations.
According to your assertions and Rushbo's ratings, there are millions and millions of "radical extremists on the fringes of the Republican party."

 

[2Thick]

COWARDLY MILITARY ACTS????????????



HOW THE HELL CAN SOMEONE DEEM A MILITARY ACT COWARDLY????????





WHAT IN YOUR MIND 2THICK,CONSTITUTES A COWARDLY MILITARY ACT?

WOULD YOU RATHER SOLDIESR KILL THEIR ENEMIES WITH DULL PLASTIC FORKS?

The missiles are not accurate and they were sure to cause collateral damage. They knew going in that more than just soldiers were going to die. That is a terrorist act.

 

[the nature boy]

Bill Mahr is not GI JOE...

Only Snake Eyes, Duke, Flint, Beachead, Roadblock, Lifeline, Scarlet, Lady J, Shipwreck, and others are REAL AMERICAN HEROES

dont you all know anything???

Real American heros with the KUNG FU GRIP!

Bill Marr is allowed to say whatever he wants, but he and his cheesy show are irrelevent. The majority of his panel have no policital training or do not work in the political arena. I mean, do we care what Cindy Crawford thinks, FUCK NO, we care what she looks like. Does Carrot Top's views on current events matter? I hope not, or we're all screwed.

 

[Y_lifter]

Pushing a button 2,000 miles away, not putting yourself any harms way in any manner... how do explain that to be brave?
No one said the above act was brave. But then again it is surely not cowardly.
It's smart if you ask me what it is...

 

[2Thick]

BULLSHIT THE MISSILES ARENT ACCURATE..............


I KNOW A TOMAHAWK CAN LAND WITHIN 5 FEET OF A LONG RANGE TARGET..............HARDLY A MARGIN OF ERROR.

YOUR BACKING FOR JUSTIFICATION OF YOUR AFOREMENTIONED STATEMENT IS INCREDIBLY WEAK.

ADMIT IT YOU ARE WRONG.

I actually heard it on CNN so it must be true.

Oh yeah, I will not admit I am wrong until you prove me wrong (and we both know that will not happen anytime soon).

 

[HamHock]

Bill Maher = American Hero......????????!!!!!!!! WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

You find a left-wing second-rate comic to be an American hero.....don't you think you're using the term a little loosely? What does it take in your opinion to be a good citizen....?.....being able to eat with tableware?

Applying the 2Thick Rationale for handing out titles, I have a few more to offer:

Gary Coleman = Saint

Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky = Modern day Romeo & Juliet

Pamela Anderson's Boobs = National Monuments

Ernest Goes to Camp = Epic Saga

Al Bundy = American Legend

PLifter's Dick & Balls = National Treasures

 

[M.O.D]

i hope i see that smartass little fucker around town

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Ryan,

Radical extremist? Ha. I am no extremist. It amuses me how you label every critic of Clinton an extremist. It makes you feel like there are no RATIONAL criticisms of the guy.

What I am is a guy who served in the Army's most elite unit under President Clinton.

This is the basis for my statement. It is neither extremist nor emotional:

There were THREE major terror attacks (excluding McVeigh) against the US during Clinton's Presidency. THREE very high profile targets:

1. The World Trade Center: an attempt to bring them down and cause widespread chaos - like now.

2. The embassy bombings: These are considered US soil after all.

3. The attack on the USS Cole: our own servicemen. I will state that the Cole commander deserves much blame for lax security. But the climate that produced that attack (and this one) were fostered by Clinton's inability to recognize the situation for what it really is, and to expend any real effort at apprehending OBL.

Did we get a response from WJC? Yeah. We got a missile fired into a pharmaceutcial factory. We got dead civilians in the Sudan. We got some more cruise missiles in after that.

Rather than acknolwedging and trying to understand the problem, he just ignored it. He isn't the only one responsible: GHW Bush may have misread Iraq in the Persian Gulf. But no American should shoulder more blame than Clinton.

Matt


PS RUDY is leading the troops in New York. And you know this.

 

[Checkmatebloated]

2Thick your self satisfying antagonistic humor lead me to believe you have a bigger brother.

 

[2Thick]

2Thick your self satisfying antagonistic humor lead me to believe you have a bigger brother.

I love my big brother. He yells at me a lot but it is because he loves me and he doesn't want mw to be made fun of just because of the way I look or talk.

 

[primetime21]

The man is absolutely right!!

You really have to be an ignorant piece smelly pig shit to think for one second that sending missiles from 2000 miles away and flying a plane into a building are all that different. They are both ways of killing innocent people indiscriminately.

You are thick in more ways than one. When we blow up buildings we do so with the intent of hitting specific military targets at times that as few civilians are around. This attack was done specifically to kill civilians. however, considering the intelligence of your statement you wont even understand what i am saying.

 

[La0Tz3]

yeah the missiles are accurate perhaps - when they're targeted at military targets
unlike in bosnia where NATO took out the chinese embassy

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Bill Maher = An American Hero!!

You are thick in more ways than one. When we blow up buildings we do so with the intent of hitting specific military targets at times that as few civilians are around. This attack was done specifically to kill civilians. however, considering the intelligence of your statement you wont even understand what i am saying.

Could you please use smaller words. I do not quite get what you are saying. Maybe if you could compose a song and sing it to me. That helps me a lot. For instance, I couldn't tie my shoe-laces until my mom made a song about it. And that was last week!!

 

[Gilbyag]

Bill Maher = An American Hero!!

now that smells like pig shit to me...

The man is absolutely right!!

now that smells like pig shit to me...

You really have to be an ignorant piece smelly pig shit to think for one second that sending missiles from 2000 miles away and flying a plane into a building are all that different.

the difference is it was not an act of terrorism...

They are both ways of killing innocent people indiscriminately. Many innocent people died when the cruise missiles hit Afghanistan.

maybe so but we try to hit "Strategic" sites... but if you want to use Strategic is as loose of a term as you wish then you could possibly twist it and say they did as well.

Bill Maher is right when he called THE ACT OF SENDING A MISSILE cowardly. Notice he never called the people of the military cowardly...only that action.

so I suppose since you think he's right with that comment then all preceding wars should have been fought hand to hand combat, since a bullet can be described as a small missle. but Im sure youll disagree.

War is war, theyre fighting it in any manner they can. I Despise the acts of 9/11, but they (just like any red blooded American) are willing to die for their cause. The act of firing a missle to hit a target that could possibly kill alot of people is not cowardly. I dont know 1st hand but know many who do, its different when your the one firing the missle. I can not understand how you or he can say that is a cowardly act. Its war, you try to win it with the least amount of casualties. What pray tell is wrong with trying to keep American soldiers alive by using the weopons we have available to us? And how the hell is it cowardly?

peace...

 

[nitlyan]

Re: Re: Re: Bill Maher = An American Hero!!

Bill Clinton has been blamed by extremists for everything. For instance, under George Bush Sr. the economy sucked, and then under President Clinton the economy was prosperous for 8 long years.

Now that Bush Jr. is in office, the economy sucks again, and radical extremists are trying to pin that on President Clinton, although he is no longer in office. LOL.

I thought you might at least understand economics, but you don't.
Ohhhh weellllll. The President has very little to do with our economy. Any scholar will testify to this, just ask one. LOL Banks loaned Billions of dollars to start-up companies over the last 5-6 years and were banking on them to repay their loans. As we all know, except Ryan I guess, a ton of those start-up companies( a lot were .com's) went bankrupt. It will just take time to recover from the lost dollars. Banks will soon get over their initial losses and open their pockets a little wider and ever so slowly we will climb back out of this mess. I suggest you take some economic classes Ryan.

 

[gymtime]

Re: Re: Re: Bill Maher = An American Hero!!

Could you please use smaller words. I do not quite get what you are saying. Maybe if you could compose a song and sing it to me. That helps me a lot. For instance, I couldn't tie my shoe-laces until my mom made a song about it. And that was last week!!

Just can't help yourself can you?

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bill Maher = An American Hero!!

Just can't help yourself can you?

Not in the very least, my friend

 

[gymtime]

I'd rather chew my own foot off than admit to agreeing with you. But you saved your ass when you highlighted the part about Maher referring to the act as opposed to the military as a whole.

However, Maher a hero? Not sure if I'd go quite that far.

 

[2Thick]

I'd rather chew my own foot off than admit to agreeing with you. But you saved your ass when you highlighted the part about Maher referring to the act as opposed to the military as a whole.

However, Maher a hero? Not sure if I'd go quite that far.

LOL... "chew my own foot off "

The title was only to attract attention.

 

[gymtime]

Attract attention? You? Nonsense. I refuse to believe that.

Alright big man, I'm currently plucking another pigeon over on the Training board. Behave yourself.

 

[freshr1]

Pushing a button 2,000 miles away, not putting yourself any harms way in any manner... how do explain that to be brave?
No one said the above act was brave. But then again it is surely not cowardly.
It's smart if you ask me what it is...

No, smart is using US airplanes on US soil to fly into US buildings to cause billions in damage for a fraction of the cost of a cruise missle. What does a domestic plane ticket go for these days?

 

[HamHock]

Your hero recants:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010919/n19192874_3.html

 

[2Thick]

No, smart is using US airplanes on US soil to fly into US buildings to cause billions in damage for a fraction of the cost of a cruise missle. What does a domestic plane ticket go for these days?

You go, girl!! (in a snappy woman's voice)

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

In his apology, he is almost criticizing Bill Clinton. Will wonders never cease?

 

[2Thick]

In his apology, he is almost criticizing Bill Clinton. Will wonders never cease?

He has never liked Bill Clinton.

 

[RyanH]

There were THREE major terror attacks (excluding McVeigh) against the US during Clinton's Presidency. THREE very high profile targets:

1. The World Trade Center: an attempt to bring them down and cause widespread chaos - like now.

2. The embassy bombings: These are considered US soil after all.

3. The attack on the USS Cole: our own servicemen.
Did we get a response from WJC? Yeah. We got a missile fired into a pharmaceutcial factory. We got dead civilians in the Sudan. We got some more cruise missiles in after that.

Rather than acknolwedging and trying to understand the problem, he just ignored it. He isn't the only one responsible: GHW Bush may have misread Iraq in the Persian Gulf. But no American should shoulder more blame than Clinton.

Matt


PS RUDY is leading the troops in New York. And you know this.

First, Rudy is a leader of the troops, but Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has been there every step of the way as well. Both deserve praise. She's got up everyday and been with New Yorkers just as the mayor has.

Secondly, public support was simply not there during President Clinton's terms to go after terrorism the way we are now. Unfortunately, it has taken a major catastrophe as we have now to rally the troops, so to speak. Further, how was Presdient Clinton to find Bin Laden? Apparently, he thought where the missles struck in Afghanistan would be where Bin Laden was hiding. But to no avail, Bin Laden had already fled.

I doubt Bush would have done anything more without the public support he is enjoying now. And as you mentioned, former President Bush made the mistake of the millenium in not disposing of Hussein, particularly now that there is evidence that he might have played a role in the recent attacks.

Ryan.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

President Bush made the mistake of the millenium in not disposing of Hussein

This is, with all due respect, comical hyperbole. It's a pretty dumb statement.

Mistake of the year (1991)? MAybe.

 

[Kakdiesel]

Ryan H read my reply to you in the BilMarh= shithead thread..

just in case you didnt see it

 

[RyanH]

This is, with all due respect, comical hyperbole. It's a pretty dumb statement.

Mistake of the year (1991)? MAybe.

We'll see how dumb it is after this war concludes. We may find alot more lives lost because of this whole tragedy, and because of President Bush's error, who knows, more Americans may have lost their lives on September 11th than any day in history. So I still stand by my statement.

At any rate, no dumber than you blaming President Clinton for most of the things wrong in this country, as you like to do.

 

[talonracer]

I doubt Bush would have done anything more without the public support he is enjoying now. And as you mentioned, former President Bush made the mistake of the millenium in not disposing of Hussein, particularly now that there is evidence that he might have played a role in the recent attacks.

Ryan.

Ah fine monday morning quarterbacking there Ryan H. Sure now any goof can say "Bush should have gotten Saddam". However you totally forget what the world was like after the third day of the ground war. The US military was ready to march into Baghdad but MASSIVE worldwide pressure prevented him from doing it. In fact its been said if he would have marched into Baghdad that coalition we had would have crumbled fast. The UN and the world said the mission was to expel Iraq from Kuwait and we did that. Also you seem to forget that EVERYONE expected Saddam to be overthrown...........and ironically be outlasted Bush.
Now 10 years later every liberal (who dispise the military) think we should have risked alot more american casulties by taking over Iraq. Funny how some liberals can seem like war mongers if it acheives their goal of lampooning a Republican. Yup hindsight is always 20/20.

 

[talonracer]

We'll see how dumb it is after this war concludes. We may find alot more lives lost because of this whole tragedy, and because of President Bush's error, who knows, more Americans may have lost their lives on September 11th than any day in history. So I still stand by my statement.

Don't liberals Study history??

The Battle of Antietam or Sharpsburg (fought near Sharpsburg, Maryland) on Wednesday, September 17, 1862 put an end to General Robert E. Lee's first serious attempt to bring the American Civil War to the North, gave President Abraham Lincoln the victory he needed to issue the crucial Emancipation Proclamation, and probably doomed the Confederacy's hopes for European recognition and support.


More men were killed or wounded on that day than on any other single day of the Civil War: some 12,400 Federal and 10,300 Confederate troops were casualties in about twelve hours of ferocious combat.

 

[RyanH]

Don't liberals Study history??

The Battle of Antietam or Sharpsburg (fought near Sharpsburg, Maryland) on Wednesday, September 17, 1862 put an end to General Robert E. Lee's first serious attempt to bring the American Civil War to the North, gave President Abraham Lincoln the victory he needed to issue the crucial Emancipation Proclamation, and probably doomed the Confederacy's hopes for European recognition and support.


More men were killed or wounded on that day than on any other single day of the Civil War: some 12,400 Federal and 10,300 Confederate troops were casualties in about twelve hours of ferocious combat.

More American CIVILIANS were killed on Sept. 11th than any day ever in the history of our country.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

At any rate, no dumber than you blaming President Clinton for most of the things wrong in this country, as you like to do.

This is a complete lie. I criticize Clinton for:

1. Lousy military leadership. I know. I was there. I saw it and felt it. I watched our numbers dwindle and morale sag.

2. Soft stance on terrorism. It is becoming evident that the softness of the stance came back to bite us. But to be fair I gave papa Bush some criticism too, because he deserves it.

3. Lack of integrity.


That's it.

Anything else is a disagreement over issues, not a criticism of the man himself. Please keep that straight if possible.

 

[-SD-]

More American CIVILIANS were killed on Sept. 11th than any day ever in the history of our country.

Do civilians have more worth than military personnel? That was a very poor attempt at one-up-manship.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Bill Maher is an educated and a reasonable man.

Rush Limbaugh is hot air. If you want to name a conservative I respect or that's worthy of joining the ranks of Bill Maher try George Will----intelligent and enlightened.

You obviously have never listened to Rush. I find that most people that make this statement are getting their opinion of him second or third hand.

 

[talonracer]

More American CIVILIANS were killed on Sept. 11th than any day ever in the history of our country.

AHA.............you should have made that distinction. Carry on