Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Bro,you may want to throw a little test in there to offset any potential impotency problems that may occur with the deca.Just my.02...
big difference between 40mg and 80mg of anavar??
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badgermilk
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What kind of potential impotency problems?
Low libido(sex drive),inability to achieve or maintain an erection.Not good with the ladies...
According to Bill Roberts splitting up the dosage may cause HPTA suppression. The keyword is may. Due to the halflife of oxan if you took only a morning dosage you would wake up the next morning with none in your system and would have given your HPTA some recovery time. This seems the safest way to take oxan.
However the fact that it isn't in your system at all times could possibly make it less effective. Again only speculation on my part. However since you can only support anabolism with food I don't see how not having any in your system while you're sleeping would hurt. So long as there is a bit active when you go to bed to work with your last ingestion of protein it would seem safe. Once you run out of protein during the night, which most likely is within a couple hours after your last meal, I'm not sure what kind of growth can occur. Muscle doesn't come from the muscle fairy, it needs the raw materials. Now if you were to wake up in the middle of the night to down a protein shake then perhaps having oxan in your system 24/7 could be beneficial
However the fact that it isn't in your system at all times could possibly make it less effective. Again only speculation on my part. However since you can only support anabolism with food I don't see how not having any in your system while you're sleeping would hurt. So long as there is a bit active when you go to bed to work with your last ingestion of protein it would seem safe. Once you run out of protein during the night, which most likely is within a couple hours after your last meal, I'm not sure what kind of growth can occur. Muscle doesn't come from the muscle fairy, it needs the raw materials. Now if you were to wake up in the middle of the night to down a protein shake then perhaps having oxan in your system 24/7 could be beneficial
badgermilk
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Huck would you maybe suggest doing a test in place of the anavar? and if so what/how much/how long?
Huck my cycle is going to look like this....
I want to gain lean muscle mass and loose fat at the same time. I have
read so many things that contradict each other in regards to bulking and cutting. After the reading that I have done I
decided to take the clen & cytomel in lower doses then are usually taken because, (1) I felt safer this way (2) taking
the two together are going to be much stronger then just taking one, so I shouldn't need to take as much of each one.
I decided to go with deca and primo because (1) they are the least androgenic of all steroids and the Strength,
Mass, and Weight gains are some of the best (highest quality gains) with the ability being extremely high of keeping
the gains, because of what I read about taking a steroid that get's in the system very quickly (they are also the
steroids that you loose most of the gains because the gains will not be as of high quality). Deca and Primo are
not the most anabolic you can take, but I also took into consideration that the Clenbuterol will enhance the anabolic
effects of the steroids. The reason I want to do two is because one I am just wanting to minus the effects of the
Cytomel as far as protein metabolization. If cytomel can't get enough protein from your diet it will look towards the
muscles to get the protein it needs, thus taking away from your hard earned gains. And one of the biggest reasons
for the AS's I chose is that the side effects are equal to almost none or at least none that are irreversible. I feel like I
can gain the quality muscle I want and loose the unwanted fat buy doing this cycle.
I would be interested in hearing what other people think of my logic from the above......I also included a chart that shows how much
of the clen and cytomel I will be taking on a daily and weekly basis...
I hope to gain 10-12lbs of lean muscle from this cycle... eating high carbs in the morning and a ton of protein through out the rest of
the day...
Deca....500mg/week.....10 weeks
Primo...400mg/week.....10 weeks
Anavar...40mg/day........5 weeks
Liquidex..1/2 mg EOD...10 weeks
Clenbuterol........(chart below)
Cytomel.............(chart below)
Clomid..100mg/day....week 1, 50mg/day... weeks 2 &3 starting at the end of cycle for 3 weeks.
Clenbuterol 1 week on, 1 week off
15 week cycle
Days 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 # Pills/week
Week # 1-10 left hand column
1 1 2 3 4 5 5 5 25
2 off off off off off off off
3 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
4 off off off off off off off
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
6 off off off off off off off
7 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
8 off off off off off off off
9 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
10 off off off off off off off
11 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
12 off off off off off off off
13 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
14 off off off off off off off
15 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 19
TOTAL 254 tabs
************************************************
Calomel
6 week cycle
Days 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 #Pills/week
Week # 1-6 left hand column
1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 12
2 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 26
3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 28
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 28
5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 26
6 3 2 2 2 1 1 1 12
TOTAL 132 tabs
Huck my cycle is going to look like this....
I want to gain lean muscle mass and loose fat at the same time. I have
read so many things that contradict each other in regards to bulking and cutting. After the reading that I have done I
decided to take the clen & cytomel in lower doses then are usually taken because, (1) I felt safer this way (2) taking
the two together are going to be much stronger then just taking one, so I shouldn't need to take as much of each one.
I decided to go with deca and primo because (1) they are the least androgenic of all steroids and the Strength,
Mass, and Weight gains are some of the best (highest quality gains) with the ability being extremely high of keeping
the gains, because of what I read about taking a steroid that get's in the system very quickly (they are also the
steroids that you loose most of the gains because the gains will not be as of high quality). Deca and Primo are
not the most anabolic you can take, but I also took into consideration that the Clenbuterol will enhance the anabolic
effects of the steroids. The reason I want to do two is because one I am just wanting to minus the effects of the
Cytomel as far as protein metabolization. If cytomel can't get enough protein from your diet it will look towards the
muscles to get the protein it needs, thus taking away from your hard earned gains. And one of the biggest reasons
for the AS's I chose is that the side effects are equal to almost none or at least none that are irreversible. I feel like I
can gain the quality muscle I want and loose the unwanted fat buy doing this cycle.
I would be interested in hearing what other people think of my logic from the above......I also included a chart that shows how much
of the clen and cytomel I will be taking on a daily and weekly basis...
I hope to gain 10-12lbs of lean muscle from this cycle... eating high carbs in the morning and a ton of protein through out the rest of
the day...
Deca....500mg/week.....10 weeks
Primo...400mg/week.....10 weeks
Anavar...40mg/day........5 weeks
Liquidex..1/2 mg EOD...10 weeks
Clenbuterol........(chart below)
Cytomel.............(chart below)
Clomid..100mg/day....week 1, 50mg/day... weeks 2 &3 starting at the end of cycle for 3 weeks.
Clenbuterol 1 week on, 1 week off
15 week cycle
Days 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 # Pills/week
Week # 1-10 left hand column
1 1 2 3 4 5 5 5 25
2 off off off off off off off
3 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
4 off off off off off off off
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
6 off off off off off off off
7 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
8 off off off off off off off
9 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
10 off off off off off off off
11 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
12 off off off off off off off
13 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 35
14 off off off off off off off
15 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 19
TOTAL 254 tabs
************************************************
Calomel
6 week cycle
Days 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 #Pills/week
Week # 1-6 left hand column
1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 12
2 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 26
3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 28
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 28
5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 26
6 3 2 2 2 1 1 1 12
TOTAL 132 tabs
The Man Child
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Why are you taking Liquidex? There won't be any water retention on those drugs and they don't cause Gyno at any dose. Sure Deca may cause Progestosterone induced Gyno, but an Anti-estrogen won't combat that kind of Gyno. Save the Arimidex for a heavy test and Dbol cycle.
Man child is right on those drug choices.If you add in test then arimidex will be helpful.I would scrap the deca and run test/primo/anavar.That's a highly anabolic cycle with next to no water-retention if you add in the arimidex...
badgermilk
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Man Child deca can make you retain water for instance the two small clips below are from steroid.com profile on deca/primo. Your statement is correct in regards to primo. I will be taking 500mg/week of deca that is why I am using the Liquidex....
Deca Durabolin......
Deca is suitable, even above average, to develop muscle mass since it promotes the protein synthesis and simultaneously leads to water retention. The optimal dose for this purpose lies between 200 and 600 mg/week. Scientific research has shown that best results can be obtained by the intake of 2-mg/pound body weight. A conversion into estrogen, that means an aromatizing process, is possible with Deca-Durabolin but usually occurs only at a dose of 400 mg +/week.
Primobolan Depot.......
Primobolan Depot, like the oral acetate form, is not converted into estrogen, however, low water retention can occur, which is the reason why during preparations for a competition the injections are usually preferred.
Deca Durabolin......
Deca is suitable, even above average, to develop muscle mass since it promotes the protein synthesis and simultaneously leads to water retention. The optimal dose for this purpose lies between 200 and 600 mg/week. Scientific research has shown that best results can be obtained by the intake of 2-mg/pound body weight. A conversion into estrogen, that means an aromatizing process, is possible with Deca-Durabolin but usually occurs only at a dose of 400 mg +/week.
Primobolan Depot.......
Primobolan Depot, like the oral acetate form, is not converted into estrogen, however, low water retention can occur, which is the reason why during preparations for a competition the injections are usually preferred.
Deca causes water-retention though progestogenic activity.It has little to no estrogenic capabilities.Therefore arimidex will do little against deca bloat...
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