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Big Brother on Board ?

Y_lifter

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Big Brother on Board
OnStar Bugging Your Car
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/12/10/213653.shtml

Would it surprise you to find out that the FBI might be able to monitor private conversations in your car? A recent court case revealed that the FBI used the popular OnStar system to do just that.

GM cars equipped with OnStar are supposed to be the leading edge of safety and technology. OnStar has run a recent blitz of commercials citing helpless motorists calling in with every type of emergency, from a heart attack to locking the keys inside the car. In the advertising world, OnStar reacts quickly by sending help or even unlocking the car.

However, buried deep inside the OnStar system is a feature few suspected – the ability to eavesdrop on unsuspecting motorists.

The FBI found out about this passive listening feature and promptly served OnStar with a court order forcing the company to give it access. The court order the FBI gave OnStar was not something out of the Patriot Act involving international terrorism or national security but a simple criminal case.

According to court records, OnStar complied with the order but filed a protest lawsuit against the FBI.

Yet the FBI was able to enforce the original legal order and completed its surveillance because OnStar's lawsuit took nearly two years to pass through the court system.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals recently ruled in OnStar's favor. The ruling was not based on invasion-of-privacy grounds or some other legitimate constitutional basis. The FBI lost because the OnStar passive listening feature disables the emergency signal, the very life-saving call for help that the advertisements tout as the main reason to purchase the system.

"The precedent has been set," stated former Georgia Rep. Bob Barr.

"The grounds on which the 9th Circuit reached the decision were not on the privacy aspects of the case. Under the CALEA [Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act] laws, the FBI blocking of the emergency signal constituted a breach of the consumers’ contract."

The technical problem of blocking the emergency signal is clearly one that the FBI tech teams can overcome. Thus, under the current ruling, the FBI can resume using OnStar to monitor subject vehicles once it has solved the emergency issue.

Open for Abuse

Further analysis of the OnStar design reveals that the FBI may not be the only one listening in. According to my own electronics experts, foreign intelligence services or even technically savvy organized crime groups could invoke the passive OnStar feature.

ALSO..
http://news.com.com/2100-1029_3-5109435.html
http://www.stargeek.com/item/30835.html
 
good post orb.

Lesson: don't get On-Star.
 
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eh.....i don't mind

all they would hear in my car is really loud, really bad singing to top 40 tunes

they'd never eavesdrop again
 
Y_Lifter said:
Further analysis of the OnStar design reveals that the FBI may not be the only one listening in. According to my own electronics experts, foreign intelligence services or even technically savvy organized crime groups could invoke the passive OnStar feature.

ALSO..
http://news.com.com/2100-1029_3-5109435.html
http://www.stargeek.com/item/30835.html


Ding, Ding, Ding...

Once that design gets public (and it will).... there will be a lot of people listening in. The geeks will be the first to exploit it.
 
Looks like this battle is back and forth in the courts as to the legality of the FBI
and others being able to wireless tap with court orders etc..

Yes, being SATT technology, anyone could hack into it as it not encrypted..
 
It was again on the news this morning which reminded me this was still going on.
Been a capability for a long time..
 
Isn't this similar (or the same) to having your phones tapped? Isn't a court order required for either?
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
I cant believe more people havnt replied on this..


It's all the Prozac people are on (& drinking from the water supply)... they've been drugged into a false sense of "oh well, it's probably for our own good & it'll stop the terrorists. We have to give up freedoms to keep the terrorists from taking our freedoms." :worried: :rolleyes:
 
slowtom said:
It's all the Prozac people are on (& drinking from the water supply)... they've been drugged into a false sense of "oh well, it's probably for our own good & it'll stop the terrorists. We have to give up freedoms to keep the terrorists from taking our freedoms." :worried: :rolleyes:

:)
 
wow, what an invasion of privacy, but only if you let it. you have the choice to install the on-star system on your vehicle, but the problem is that not many people would know the device sent your info to the FBI.

just don't buy onstar.
 
yeah there is an easy fix here: no OnStar, no GPS etc. Do you really need a navigation system in your car?

Get the directions off of Mapquest. Or do you feel cool in your Jag with the sexy British woman telling you "Turn left". "Make a U-turn"? etc.

Ok I admit it the nav system can be fun.
:)

But this is to be expected from Big Brother.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
But this is to be expected from Big Brother.

whether it be tracking your movements or evesdropping...
 
I have GPS capability for my truck
It's a hand held unit and I love it.

When I first heard of ONSTAR and its capabilities, my first thought
was .. "Oh boy.. this one is ripe for abuse".

Next up.. GPS capable Cell phones..
 
Y_Lifter said:
I have GPS capability for my truck
It's a hand held unit and I love it.

When I first heard of ONSTAR and its capabilities, my first thought
was .. "Oh boy.. this one is ripe for abuse".

Next up.. GPS capable Cell phones..

I have a garmin handheld unit as well (mostly used for maritime activities)

My cell phone has the GPS chip in it, which is required in all cell phones for locating the person for 911 calls.

You can enable it to allow sprint to "see" your location at any time on the network (which is the default setting) or disable it so only 911 can locate you.
 
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