Best to stack with Test?

[Thracian]

I'm trying to put together my second cycle. 1st was 8 weeks of 500mg test e and it did pretty well. Put on 15 lbs while leaning out considerably. Should have run it longer, I know now. My goal is to add mass. I don't want to add any fat if I can avoid it but mass is my main consideration. I'm 49, 5'8" 200 lbs. I've lifted all my life and this is my 2nd cycle. The base of my cycle will be 600mg of test enanthate. I want to add in a 2nd compound but I'm not sure what. EQ is my 1st choice but I hear a lot of conflicting info, anywhere from it causing stress to being useless to being great.
My question is should I add in the EQ or something different or maybe just stick to test at maybe a higher dose? Thanks

 

[BOWTECH]

One of the best mass builders of all time is Test, Deca, Dbol. This cycle has been proven time and time again.

 

[swordfish151]

deca or dbol...

 

[jmt24]

i agree with deca if ur goin for mass. if you dont want to add any bf durin the cycle, you're goin to have to take some like sesapure and glucorell r.

 

[swolenole]

Here you go bro,

Test 500mg per week/D-Bol kick start 30mg ED first 4 weeks/EQ 400mg per week.....12 weeker..big lean gains & you will keep alot of it if you pct correctly. and as a bonus it will not break the bank.

 

[Thracian]

Here you go bro,

Test 500mg per week/D-Bol kick start 30mg ED first 4 weeks/EQ 400mg per week.....12 weeker..big lean gains & you will keep alot of it if you pct correctly. and as a bonus it will not break the bank.

Thanks everyone for the replies.
Swolenole, that's almost identical to what I was thinking except I was leaning toward 600/week for test and 600/week EQ. More than I need maybe especially for a 2nd cycle?

 

[flex2win]

I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but when you're talking about "mass," you're talking about adding muscle, water, AND fat.
If you want to stay completely away from fat, then I would suggest a very low carb intake while "on" and leaning towards something like fina or anavar.
The suggestions mentioned previously about dbol/test/deca are Excellent.

 

[ryan04]

If you put on weight and leaned out on test, you've got the body type that won't put on fat too easily. You don't need sesamax or gluceroll either, if you believe that I've got some land in Florida I'd like to sell you. Keep your diet clean and high in calories and you should do fine.

Test, eq and dbol is a great cycle. Eq is good, but needs to be run at higher dosages and for long periods of time to see it's best benefits. Also takes a while to kick in. 400 a week would be good, 600 better. I would do the test at 600 mgs per week, eq at 4-600 mgs per week, and dbol at 30 mgs per day for first 4-6 weeks. I just finished a cycle very similar to this and had fantastic gains, no sides except for some acne on back and shoulders, and incredible strenth gains. Good luck man.

 

[Mr.X]

I'm trying to put together my second cycle. 1st was 8 weeks of 500mg test e and it did pretty well. Put on 15 lbs while leaning out considerably. Should have run it longer, I know now. My goal is to add mass. I don't want to add any fat if I can avoid it but mass is my main consideration. I'm 49, 5'8" 200 lbs. I've lifted all my life and this is my 2nd cycle. The base of my cycle will be 600mg of test enanthate. I want to add in a 2nd compound but I'm not sure what. EQ is my 1st choice but I hear a lot of conflicting info, anywhere from it causing stress to being useless to being great.
My question is should I add in the EQ or something different or maybe just stick to test at maybe a higher dose? Thanks

Test + EQ is a good cycle, adding dbol can be beneficial. You're 200lbs, so this is fair for you: 600mgs of Test/wk + 400mgs of EQ/wk + 30-40mgs of dbol ED (week 1-6). Make sure you have your arimidex (AI) running with the cycle. A good starter dose for your cycle is about 1mg ED, you can lower it during the cycle if you feel it's too much.

 

[cubuff27]

By far the best thing to stack with Test: Calories!

Seriously...eat well...so add the EQ and see what happens. You can read till you are blue in the face what other juice has done for other people...but it won't answer the only question you have. What will it do for me?

So give it a shot..and let us know the results!

 

[DarkEnigma]

Personally, I think you can't go wrong with Test, Deca, and Dbol. I've had good results off of a test, eq, and dbol cycle....but had better with test, deca, and dbol. If you give that cycle a shot, I'm sure you'll be pleased. Actually, that's gonna be my next cycle.

 

[boxerjake]

At 49 i'd be playing things safe and doing the good old 3 week hit hard and get out formula ...

Like the test primo and d-bol or var approach .

The less supression you get at 49 the better off your going to be in the long run .. unless you like ED related symtoms.

Getting the boys fired back up again is'nt the same at 49 as it is at 29 , your natural production is going to be low even when you do recover , your not 18 !!

The least amount of suppression with the max gains is what you should be researching at your age .. After all i doubt your taking a run at the Mr O so why go heavy on the risk vs reward side now ..

Do 4 or so 3 week cycles in a year and keep 70% of the gains .. you'll be further ahead . I know this goes against the grain of the hardcore crowd which seem to love the high dosages but i'd be more comcerned about my health at 49 then heading down the trail of becoming a mass monster ..

It's your call , i'm sure you can get good advise here which ever path you decide to take .

 

[Throw2Far]

Tren, Tren, Tren, Tren, TREN!

I love Test/Tren if its pure mass then throw in some dbol... if its a cutter or lean gainer throw in some winny/var.

 

[brandonp005]

sounds like its a quarter flip between test/deca/dbol or test/eq/dbol.....lol


good luck bro

 

[LVTitan]

Thanks everyone for the replies.
Swolenole, that's almost identical to what I was thinking except I was leaning toward 600/week for test and 600/week EQ. More than I need maybe especially for a 2nd cycle?

no need for that much gear on a second cycle bro..
keep the test at 500mg like before, but throw in some deca at
300-400mg/week and you can kickstart with dbol at around 20-25mg/day.

remember guys this is only his second cycle, no need to have the doses up there.. more doesnt always mean better

 

[LVTitan]

I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but when you're talking about "mass," you're talking about adding muscle, water, AND fat.
If you want to stay completely away from fat, then I would suggest a very low carb intake while "on" and leaning towards something like fina or anavar.
The suggestions mentioned previously about dbol/test/deca are Excellent.

i would not recomend tren for second cycle.

 

[scout69]

I like Deca for mass, i do not like orals but probably the most talked about mass stack is as stated above The D-bol,Deca,Test cycle

 

[LVTitan]

At 49 i'd be playing things safe and doing the good old 3 week hit hard and get out formula ...

Like the test primo and d-bol or var approach .

The less supression you get at 49 the better off your going to be in the long run .. unless you like ED related symtoms.

Getting the boys fired back up again is'nt the same at 49 as it is at 29 , your natural production is going to be low even when you do recover , your not 18 !!

The least amount of suppression with the max gains is what you should be researching at your age .. After all i doubt your taking a run at the Mr O so why go heavy on the risk vs reward side now ..

Do 4 or so 3 week cycles in a year and keep 70% of the gains .. you'll be further ahead . I know this goes against the grain of the hardcore crowd which seem to love the high dosages but i'd be more comcerned about my health at 49 then heading down the trail of becoming a mass monster ..

It's your call , i'm sure you can get good advise here which ever path you decide to take .

i don't know about all these "3 week cycles" especially with long gear like primo...

but at your age, i would definitely look into igf-1 or hgh along with your cycles. run the test/deca/dbol and, at 50yrs old, who cares if you shut yourself down, you can just run some maint doses like hrt and probably feel better year round in the long run anyway

 

[boops]

I'm trying to put together my second cycle. 1st was 8 weeks of 500mg test e and it did pretty well. Put on 15 lbs while leaning out considerably. Should have run it longer, I know now. My goal is to add mass. I don't want to add any fat if I can avoid it but mass is my main consideration. I'm 49, 5'8" 200 lbs. I've lifted all my life and this is my 2nd cycle. The base of my cycle will be 600mg of test enanthate. I want to add in a 2nd compound but I'm not sure what. EQ is my 1st choice but I hear a lot of conflicting info, anywhere from it causing stress to being useless to being great.
My question is should I add in the EQ or something different or maybe just stick to test at maybe a higher dose? Thanks

my vote is a simple higher dose of test, you said it went well the first time so why not again...save the money youd spend on exoctic stacks and buy more food......

 

[BOWTECH]

no need for that much gear on a second cycle bro..
keep the test at 500mg like before, but throw in some deca at
300-400mg/week and you can kickstart with dbol at around 20-25mg/day.

remember guys this is only his second cycle, no need to have the doses up there.. more doesnt always mean better

Sounds good right there

 

[Thracian]

Thanks everyone. Great thread.

 

[krishna]

If you want to avoid sides and get good lean gains, try test/eq/tbol. You can add winny after 4 weeks of tbol for a killer stack!

 

[JohnnyWest]

At 49 i'd be playing things safe and doing the good old 3 week hit hard and get out formula ...

Like the test primo and d-bol or var approach .

The less supression you get at 49 the better off your going to be in the long run .. unless you like ED related symtoms.

Getting the boys fired back up again is'nt the same at 49 as it is at 29 , your natural production is going to be low even when you do recover , your not 18 !!

The least amount of suppression with the max gains is what you should be researching at your age .. After all i doubt your taking a run at the Mr O so why go heavy on the risk vs reward side now ..

Do 4 or so 3 week cycles in a year and keep 70% of the gains .. you'll be further ahead . I know this goes against the grain of the hardcore crowd which seem to love the high dosages but i'd be more comcerned about my health at 49 then heading down the trail of becoming a mass monster ..

It's your call , i'm sure you can get good advise here which ever path you decide to take .

I second that, health is #1. But whichever way you go, best of luck.

 

[missionpossible]

Wouldent tbol be better for someone looking for lean gain as Krishna was mentioning?

 

[twar543]

I'm trying to put together my second cycle. 1st was 8 weeks of 500mg test e and it did pretty well. Put on 15 lbs while leaning out considerably. Should have run it longer, I know now. My goal is to add mass. I don't want to add any fat if I can avoid it but mass is my main consideration. I'm 49, 5'8" 200 lbs. I've lifted all my life and this is my 2nd cycle. The base of my cycle will be 600mg of test enanthate. I want to add in a 2nd compound but I'm not sure what. EQ is my 1st choice but I hear a lot of conflicting info, anywhere from it causing stress to being useless to being great.
My question is should I add in the EQ or something different or maybe just stick to test at maybe a higher dose? Thanks

I ran test E @ 500mg/week, along with 300mg/week of Deca with excellent results.

 

[swolenole]

Test + EQ is a good cycle, adding dbol can be beneficial. You're 200lbs, so this is fair for you: 600mgs of Test/wk + 400mgs of EQ/wk + 30-40mgs of dbol ED (week 1-6). Make sure you have your arimidex (AI) running with the cycle. A good starter dose for your cycle is about 1mg ED, you can lower it during the cycle if you feel it's too much.

Good cycle,good advice...you may have to play with the D-bol dose a little..the sides are so bad for me with D-Bol 4 weeks is usually all I can stand..but it is a kick ass..cycle jump starter...

 

[LVTitan]

I ran test E @ 500mg/week, along with 300mg/week of Deca with excellent results.

that exact cycle was one of my best.

 

[Thracian]

This may be a stupid question but I've never heard it talked about, why not run EQ and Deca together with your test??

 

[big_enduro]

Originally Posted by Mr.X

Test + EQ is a good cycle, adding dbol can be beneficial. You're 200lbs, so this is fair for you: 600mgs of Test/wk + 400mgs of EQ/wk + 30-40mgs of dbol ED (week 1-6). Make sure you have your arimidex (AI) running with the cycle. A good starter dose for your cycle is about 1mg ED, you can lower it during the cycle if you feel it's too much.

... you have some solid feedback from all these posts.. no doubt. I'm about
to run a 12 cycle of Test Ent.EQ.Dbol but a less gear than you (if you run with the suggestion like above). I'm chiming in for one thing bro. Do yourself a huge favor and work in some GH... you are 49 and a prime candidate for all the benefits of GH. I'm doing 2 iu's a day and plan on doing this for the rest of my life. This stuff is the bomb! I look younger, my eyesight has improved (now I need a new script for my glasses!), I wake up feeling more rested, and I seem to handle a couple beers with no hangover whatsoever. Check out this link to another post from an elitefitness bro who knows his shit about GH...http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=439473
Good luck to you!

 

[LVTitan]

This may be a stupid question but I've never heard it talked about, why not run EQ and Deca together with your test??

this is starting to be a more and more popular cycle around here...

i kinda think i started this whole deca/eq with no test ball rolling last year, since then several people have pm'd me wanting to know how it went ...

if you can use test, add it, i think deca/eq are great together.

 

[LVTitan]

or for that matter, just start using IGF1

 

[Big_Joe]

At 49 i'd be playing things safe and doing the good old 3 week hit hard and get out formula ...

Like the test primo and d-bol or var approach .

The less supression you get at 49 the better off your going to be in the long run .. unless you like ED related symtoms.

Getting the boys fired back up again is'nt the same at 49 as it is at 29 , your natural production is going to be low even when you do recover , your not 18 !!

The least amount of suppression with the max gains is what you should be researching at your age .. After all i doubt your taking a run at the Mr O so why go heavy on the risk vs reward side now ..

Do 4 or so 3 week cycles in a year and keep 70% of the gains .. you'll be further ahead . I know this goes against the grain of the hardcore crowd which seem to love the high dosages but i'd be more comcerned about my health at 49 then heading down the trail of becoming a mass monster ..

It's your call , i'm sure you can get good advise here which ever path you decide to take .

I'm fifty and I started AAS last year and my health is way better now then it was before. And as for the ED problems. At Christmas my wife and I were in the bedroom with the door locked for a week getting only a few hours sleep at night. We only came out to make sure the kids got fed. Life is good!!!

Maybe at 29 you can get somewhere with a three week cycle but at fifty I don't think so. You do want to be concerned with your health at fifty but that means keeping your dosage within reason not cutting the cycle short. I suspect that as you age you need longer cycles to get growth/repair but at low to moderate dosages. Keep methylated gear to a minimum, if at all. And use HCG during the mid point of the cycle to keep the guys happy, mine are as big as they were when I was forty so I think I'm doing OK and they seem to be working just fine. ;-}

One last thing. I have a friend of mine that is a great doctor, we went to school together many years ago. I told him what I was doing and the only concern he had was my getting an abscess. But he knows I can do clean needling technique so he didn't worry to much.

 

[Thracian]

Thanks much gentlemen. Tons of excellent advice. I'll look into the GH big_enduro. Never considered it very much.
Thanks Big Joe. My last cycle (my 1st) was for 8 weeks and I did feel like it was just kicking in. I'll probably go 14-16 weeks this time