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Best first Cycle?

americany13

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What is the best first cycle for a person who is NOT afraid of needles?
While the body is virgin and so are the receptors, so the first cycle would be the best bulker/gainer. What's the best stuff to take while basing the cycle with Test.
Thanx guys!
 
americany13 said:
What is the best first cycle for a person who is NOT afraid of needles?
While the body is virgin and so are the receptors, so the first cycle would be the best bulker/gainer. What's the best stuff to take while basing the cycle with Test.
Thanx guys!


Well after you do more research and know exactly what your putting in your body and have the correct PCT lined up and not knowing any of your stats. I would suggest
1-10 wks 500mg wk Test E
but if your gonna do anyother compound regardless

maybe you'll want to frontload with dbol
1-4 wks @25mg day
 
americany13 said:
What is the best first cycle for a person who is NOT afraid of needles?
While the body is virgin and so are the receptors, so the first cycle would be the best bulker/gainer. What's the best stuff to take while basing the cycle with Test.
Thanx guys!


Ues the search function and type in words/phrases such as "first cycle" or "test only" etc. The search function can offer you a ton of threads on this very topic.
 
You've got the right idea by using test as a base, but what you use with it depends on your goals. If you are trying to put on size you could go test/D-Bol or test/deca. If you are trying to get leaner you could use test/EQ or test/Winstrol.
 
hows test/dbol.....test 500/wk 1-10wks plus dbol 35mg first four weeks and last two weeks or use dbol @25mg though out the whole cycle?
Can't you lower the dbol to 10 or 15 mg and take it to the last day of cycle?
got clomid, nolva and Hcg.....
 
You don't even need to lower it. 35 mgs/day is a low dose. You can run it the whole 10 weeks, just make sure your liver is cool.
 
Makavelli said:
You don't even need to lower it. 35 mgs/day is a low dose. You can run it the whole 10 weeks, just make sure your liver is cool.

10 weeks of DBOL makavelli? You sure you can run it more than 6 weeks? expecially for a first cycle?
 
yeah dont kill your liver.. run it 4 to 6 weeks. 6 at the max. make sure you use a liver cleanser throughout the time your taking it. ive used milk thistle for this in the past.
 
Make sure you have PCT in line bro... Research it... Nolva,clomid,femara,arimidex,hcg, and possibly clen or aldactone
 
surferstar said:
10 weeks of DBOL makavelli? You sure you can run it more than 6 weeks? expecially for a first cycle?

I'm positive. The toxicity of orals is greatly exaggerated. The liver can handle a lot more stress than most realize. If you are going to run any orals over 8 weeks, it's a good idea to get a liver test done about halfway through. I know guys that use Winstrol at 100 mgs/day for 12 weeks without any problems. I run Winstrol for at least 8 weeks.
 
Makavelli said:
I'm positive. The toxicity of orals is greatly exaggerated. The liver can handle a lot more stress than most realize. If you are going to run any orals over 8 weeks, it's a good idea to get a liver test done about halfway through. I know guys that use Winstrol at 100 mgs/day for 12 weeks without any problems. I run Winstrol for at least 8 weeks.

I am running deca and winny deca for 10 weeks and winny for 6. Yes i take the winny oral but winny less stress on the liver than Dblo
 
i've been researching this like mad for a good 6 months now, and here is the general consensus on this (and just about every other) board. You experienced folk, give me a grade on my research, please...

1) test - this is an ABSOLUTE. if you talk "first cycle", then test is a must, an absolute. In fact, if you talk "any cycle", then test is a must. It is like oxygen. If you have a cycle not based on test, then you may as well base your weight training around cable curls and pec deck flyes instead of s/bp/dl/rows, you're just wasting your time and you should stick with HMB. Most recommended is test enanthate or test cypionate, 200-250mg 2x weekly (or E3D), sustanon or omnadren also recommended for beginners, especially by themselves, but not as heartily. Length of use is 8 weeks minimum (especially if you use sus or omna), most people will say 10-12 weeks though, especially if you have e or cyp combined with one of the below-mentioned items in #2. Regardless, run it 1 week longer than....

2) Deca or EQ - it seems that most people swear by one or the other. If you use either, you stop it 1 week before the test, because both of these items are slow (EQ especially so). 12 weeks minimum on these. doseage is typically 400-600mg/week, administered at same time as the test (although some say their half lives are so long as to allow for 1x weekly admin). EQ apparently is worthless at doses lower than 400mg/weekly, and deca produces some bizarre progesterone-associated sides up above 750-800mg weekly. Both seem to reduce joint pains, both produce "quality" gains that are easily kept, and both produce pretty mild side affects, if any at all. EQ makes you hungry and horny, deca makes you limp (without test, that is, with test, there is generally no problem). Deca has some water retention associated wth it, which is good for strength, but makes you look a little "puffier" than EQ would. This affect is probably irrelevant unless you are already pretty lean and solid. Both are winners, and are primarly "anabolic" in nature, whereas items such as test and other more powerful steroids tend to produce a large amount of affects which are more "androgenic" in nature.

3) Dbol - the oral of choice, doseage anywhere from 30-50mg daily (or upwards of 200mg/daily for those more advanced users with Wolverine-like recovery and titanium livers), for 4-6 weeks, as a "jumpstart" to your cycle. since the test and deca/EQ are all slow-acting, adding DBol at the start will give you strength and size increases from day 1, which will give the test and deca/EQ time to get into your system and start working their magic (typically 2-4 weeks after first shot). DBol has water retention (with substantial strength and weight gain) and some (potentially) nasty estrogenic side affects associated with it, so have nolva/clomid/arimidex handy, which should be a given on any cycle with aromatizeable steroids, so that you can administer the anti-e/anti-aromatases before you start looking like the stay-pufft marshmallow man with breast implants.
Oral use in first cycle is somewhat contested, as many will say "orals aren't necessary for a first cycle", whereas others say "low doses are a nice kickstart". Typically omnadren and sustanon use for a beginner will preclude the use as the dbol, as there are rapid-acting esters (in relatively small amounts) in both sus and omna. Regardless, you will gain weight quickly, especially if you eat a lot.

4) PCT - if you don't know what the initials stand for, then you are not ready for steroids in any way, shape, or form. Have ALL of it ready, have the entire PCT purchased, in-hand, ready to use, before you administer your first shot or pop the first pill. If you don't have this lined up FIRST, then stick with the aforementioned cable flyes and HMB, you simply are not ready. PCT would typically begin 2-3 weeks after last test-E/cyp shot, which corresponds to approx 3-4 weeks after last EQ/deca shot.

5) test prop - (this substance is not always mentioned for a first cycle, and is also somewhat contested) fast acting testosterone, typically admin'ed ED/EOD in lower doses, 50-100ml per pop. It would be administered during last few weeks of a cycle upon cessation of all other items so that you do not suffer test crash while waiting to start your PCT. It ensures that you have steady levels of test in your system while the EQ/deca and the longer-estered test you are using (enanthate/cypionate) slowly are purged from your system.
This can be quite important, especially for those who are not 100% familiar with how test leaves their systems. Since the enanthate/cyp will take anywhere from 2-3 weeks to leave the system, you have a pretty vague window of "negative opportunity" where you might crash, resulting in some very negative karma and loss of gains. the test prop simply reduces that window of "negative opportunity" from '2-3 weeks' down to '2-4 days'. You would use the prop a few days after your last enanthate/cypionate shot, and continue for approx 3 weeks. PCT would begin 2 days after final propionate shot.

So, of final note....I have never used any type of gear, so the above "information" is actually from the research I have done in the event I ever get the opportunity to do a cycle legally (I have too much to lose to risk even a slap in the wrist for possession due to the draconic laws in the US). As a result, prior to taking ANY of my "advice" as useful, wait for a vet mod to come here and post "thumbs up Keth, you did your homework!", or "Keth, stick to HMB, you suck"

For what it is worth, from all my research, this will (someday) be my first cycle:

Weeks 1 - 12: 250mg cyp/enanth 2x weekly
Weeks 1 - 12: 250mg deca 2x weekly
Weeks 1 - 6: 40mg dbol daily
Weeks 13 - 16: 75mg prop EOD

(EDIT - forgot to mention HCG use every 4th week for 1 week at a time to ensure the family jewels are still alive and kickin'....)

arimidex on hand for during cycle, probably use from weeks 4-6 while still on dbol and test has kicked in full force.

full PCT purchased ahead of time, separate from the arimidex mentioned just above.

So yeah, mods, smack me or give my research a thumbs-up, if you don't mind.
 
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MR. PUMP said:
I am running deca and winny deca for 10 weeks and winny for 6. Yes i take the winny oral but winny less stress on the liver than Dblo

D-Bol is not more stressful to the liver than winstrol. The both stress the liver equally. The only oral that seems to stress the liver more than the others is halo.
 
kethnaab said:
i've been researching this like mad for a good 6 months now, and here is the general consensus on this (and just about every other) board. You experienced folk, give me a grade on my research, please...

1) test - this is an ABSOLUTE. if you talk "first cycle", then test is a must, an absolute. In fact, if you talk "any cycle", then test is a must. It is like oxygen. If you have a cycle not based on test, then you may as well base your weight training around cable curls and pec deck flyes instead of s/bp/dl/rows, you're just wasting your time and you should stick with HMB. Most recommended is test enanthate or test cypionate, 200-250mg 2x weekly (or E3D), sustanon or omnadren also recommended for beginners, especially by themselves, but not as heartily. Length of use is 8 weeks minimum (especially if you use sus or omna), most people will say 10-12 weeks though, especially if you have e or cyp combined with one of the below-mentioned items in #2. Regardless, run it 1 week longer than....

2) Deca or EQ - it seems that most people swear by one or the other. If you use either, you stop it 1 week before the test, because both of these items are slow (EQ especially so). 12 weeks minimum on these. doseage is typically 400-600mg/week, administered at same time as the test (although some say their half lives are so long as to allow for 1x weekly admin). EQ apparently is worthless at doses lower than 400mg/weekly, and deca produces some bizarre progesterone-associated sides up above 750-800mg weekly. Both seem to reduce joint pains, both produce "quality" gains that are easily kept, and both produce pretty mild side affects, if any at all. EQ makes you hungry and horny, deca makes you limp (without test, that is, with test, there is generally no problem). Deca has some water retention associated wth it, which is good for strength, but makes you look a little "puffier" than EQ would. This affect is probably irrelevant unless you are already pretty lean and solid. Both are winners, and are primarly "anabolic" in nature, whereas items such as test and other more powerful steroids tend to produce a large amount of affects which are more "androgenic" in nature.

3) Dbol - the oral of choice, doseage anywhere from 30-50mg daily (or upwards of 200mg/daily for those more advanced users with Wolverine-like recovery and titanium livers), for 4-6 weeks, as a "jumpstart" to your cycle. since the test and deca/EQ are all slow-acting, adding DBol at the start will give you strength and size increases from day 1, which will give the test and deca/EQ time to get into your system and start working their magic (typically 2-4 weeks after first shot). DBol has water retention (with substantial strength and weight gain) and some (potentially) nasty estrogenic side affects associated with it, so have nolva/clomid/arimidex handy, which should be a given on any cycle with aromatizeable steroids, so that you can administer the anti-e/anti-aromatases before you start looking like the stay-pufft marshmallow man with breast implants.
Oral use in first cycle is somewhat contested, as many will say "orals aren't necessary for a first cycle", whereas others say "low doses are a nice kickstart". Typically omnadren and sustanon use for a beginner will preclude the use as the dbol, as there are rapid-acting esters (in relatively small amounts) in both sus and omna. Regardless, you will gain weight quickly, especially if you eat a lot.

4) PCT - if you don't know what the initials stand for, then you are not ready for steroids in any way, shape, or form. Have ALL of it ready, have the entire PCT purchased, in-hand, ready to use, before you administer your first shot or pop the first pill. If you don't have this lined up FIRST, then stick with the aforementioned cable flyes and HMB, you simply are not ready. PCT would typically begin 2-3 weeks after last test-E/cyp shot, which corresponds to approx 3-4 weeks after last EQ/deca shot.

5) test prop - (this substance is not always mentioned for a first cycle, and is also somewhat contested) fast acting testosterone, typically admin'ed ED/EOD in lower doses, 50-100ml per pop. It would be administered during last few weeks of a cycle upon cessation of all other items so that you do not suffer test crash while waiting to start your PCT. It ensures that you have steady levels of test in your system while the EQ/deca and the longer-estered test you are using (enanthate/cypionate) slowly are purged from your system.
This can be quite important, especially for those who are not 100% familiar with how test leaves their systems. Since the enanthate/cyp will take anywhere from 2-3 weeks to leave the system, you have a pretty vague window of "negative opportunity" where you might crash, resulting in some very negative karma and loss of gains. the test prop simply reduces that window of "negative opportunity" from '2-3 weeks' down to '2-4 days'. You would use the prop a few days after your last enanthate/cypionate shot, and continue for approx 3 weeks. PCT would begin 2 days after final propionate shot.

So, of final note....I have never used any type of gear, so the above "information" is actually from the research I have done in the event I ever get the opportunity to do a cycle legally (I have too much to lose to risk even a slap in the wrist for possession due to the draconic laws in the US). As a result, prior to taking ANY of my "advice" as useful, wait for a vet mod to come here and post "thumbs up Keth, you did your homework!", or "Keth, stick to HMB, you suck"

For what it is worth, from all my research, this will (someday) be my first cycle:

Weeks 1 - 12: 250mg cyp/enanth 2x weekly
Weeks 1 - 12: 250mg deca 2x weekly
Weeks 1 - 6: 40mg dbol daily
Weeks 13 - 16: 75mg prop EOD

(EDIT - forgot to mention HCG use every 4th week for 1 week at a time to ensure the family jewels are still alive and kickin'....)

arimidex on hand for during cycle, probably use from weeks 4-6 while still on dbol and test has kicked in full force.

full PCT purchased ahead of time, separate from the arimidex mentioned just above.

So yeah, mods, smack me or give my research a thumbs-up, if you don't mind.


well bro i scanned through most of it and it looks as though you really have read up alot and seem well informed...i do disagree with some things but again this is all my opinion here and people will also disagree with me but oh well....sust and omna are for something like EOD shots and just all around something i dont agree with based upon the different esters, in this "game" we want hormones to elevate evenly and not a surge here and there and with sust and the 4 esters its very uneven....in your fabricated cycle i think you can get away with just the test and d bol no need to add the deca as in doing this you will be able to find how you react to test and dbol if you add in the deca who knows whats doing what for you...after you complete that cycle and take the necessry time off you can then give test/deca a try and see how that goes for ya.....again you will most certainly get people who will say do all 3 which is fine if thats what you want to do im just giving my opinion here....when i started on these boards sometime ago you would see ALOT of even lower doses to start things off unless you were in the E2 camp with the proposed "insane-o cycles" people from that "era" will know what im talking about here.....the ending with the prop is an excellent idea which i credit bigandy69 with for bringing that to me, it really helps ease me into PCT also helps deal with "deadtime" while your waiting for the longer esters to clear and can then hop right into PCT....just keep reading bro and take everything in and forulate your own opinion alot of ppl give bad advice and base it on nothing or on what others have said i base what i say on the things i have done myself to myself....sorry if it took a while to read but i think this is what you asked for......
 
yup

the main reason i even want to bother with the EQ/deca is because I've read from several different sources that both of them tend to ease joint pain during a cycle, and lord knows me ole' bones need it.

thanks for the feedback!
 
Here is a great bread-and-butter general purpose first cycle. It will achieve lean mass growth with low risk of sides.

Weeks 1-6: test enant or test cyp 500mg
Weeks 1-6: deca 400mg
Weeks 1-10 (plus several days before and after): arimidex 1mg
Weeks 7-10: PCT

For newbies I recommend doing shorter cycles, no more than 6-7 weeks. Then after your PCT, take off the same amount of time before starting your next cycle. A benefit of shorter cycles is you are not so shut down, PCT is easy and you can start your next cycle (which you likely will) that much sooner.
 
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