Best AS for first-ever cycle?

[medi3val]

Guys any recommendations on a single compound for my first cycle? I was thinking just cyp, but I'm doing more research by asking.

Please post whatever side-effects are common for whatever you recommend. I'm very scared of anything that seems to give rapid heart-rate or palpatations.

Also, should it be refrigerated? (haven't found this anywhere)

 

[letsrun4it]

Cyp is great, no need to refridgerate it

Sides will be fine, take 0.5mg liquidex a day and chances of sides are pretty low

get some high quality human grade stuff and you'll be set

 

[Inhibitor13]

stats? goals?

Inhibitor

 

[JuicedAthletics]

bro keep it simple.. my junior year of highschool i took 250-300 mg of sustanon once per week for 8 weeks.. ( i wasnt ready for juice but i did it anyways )

I put on about 30 pounds, kept 22-25. My PCT was clomid for 30 days at 50mg per day...

Just eat, eat, eat... Your first time only comes around once.

 

[mrp3652]

Test will work just fine. Save your money for more protein.

 

[camshaft]

test e or cyp 250mg E4D
adex .5mg ED

plus nolva/clomid PCT

 

[medi3val]

Thanks big time for the info. Gave K+ to all of you

My goal is just to gain muscle. I'm 6' 180lbs 15% BF. I have a lean build where it's hard to gain. I'm almost ectomorph, but not quite.

I just changed my routine; I've always done 3x10s (probably why I haven't gained in awhile)

My current routine is six days a week alternating:

Day A: 5x5 bench / assisted dip / militiary press / curl / row
Day B: 5x5 squat / lunge / SLDL / calf raise / alternate leg extensions and leg curl

I've always been a health nut, so my diet is real clean. I never eat simple carbs... always whole wheat. I drink nothing except water, smoothies, and beer on weekends. My only vice is the occasional home-made pie with ice cream or cookies ;p

 

[medi3val]

Oh by the way.. how much bloating can I expect with 500mg/wk cyp? Would it be noticable to co-workers in my face?

 

[galaxy]

bro keep it simple.. my junior year of highschool i took 250-300 mg of sustanon once per week for 8 weeks.. ( i wasnt ready for juice but i did it anyways )

I put on about 30 pounds, kept 22-25. My PCT was clomid for 30 days at 50mg per day...

Just eat, eat, eat... Your first time only comes around once.

I wish i could have done that in highschool. Big props to you for being smart enuff to do the clomid.

And id got with 250mgs or cyp of 30mgs of dbol ed.

 

[asianlover]

test w/ adex is the best cycle for a first timer. my first was test/dbol. i also ran adex and nolva everyday. the dbol broke me out pretty bad but i got zero sides with the test. make sure you have all your ptc lined up.

 

[medi3val]

Ok I am little unsure for the PCT. I've done quite a bit of research, but it seems like there is conflicting information.

It seems like everyone recommends Nolva, Adex, and HCG. What combination of these should I use, though?

Would Adex and Nolva ED be right? Or should I follow up with HCG and Nolva? Or some other combination?

 

[Sanel27]

bro keep it simple.. my junior year of highschool i took 250-300 mg of sustanon once per week for 8 weeks.. ( i wasnt ready for juice but i did it anyways )

I put on about 30 pounds, kept 22-25. My PCT was clomid for 30 days at 50mg per day...

Just eat, eat, eat... Your first time only comes around once.

Really good advice right her..........

Anyways, Cyp or Enanth. should be fine.................keep the dosing from 400mgs - 600mgs and you should be fine..............but i would throw in an oral too for maximum gains like d-bol......but thats just me

Get your PCT in order, and i think that you wont need much more than some Nolvadex and Clomid......Nolvadex while on cycle if you start feeling Gyno coming on, Clomid for PCT........all the best with your cycle bro

 

[Wulfgar]

My first ever cycle was 200 mg deca a week. gained 30 lbs in 8 weeks. no PCT, no sides
ahh....to be a noob again.it was so easy then

 

[boxerjake]

My first ever cycle was 200 mg deca a week. gained 30 lbs in 8 weeks. no PCT, no sides
ahh....to be a noob again.it was so easy then

This would be my suggestion as well .. why start out the gate with strong compounds like test .. just about every single bodybuilding chemisty book ever written gives ample reasons why " not " to use test first .

I'm 42 and never started test till i was 35 ... great gains can be seen on mild compounds like deca or primo or Eq for that matter , test is simply not needed right now

I would run 200mg of deca for 4 weeks .. 8 will cause suppression and sides that 4 weeks will miss out on

You'll be amazed at what 200mg a week of deca will do for someone who's never done anabolics before

 

[mrp3652]

I would run 200mg of deca for 4 weeks .. 8 will cause suppression and sides that 4 weeks will miss out on

Though I'm not deca experienced, this goes against my logic. Suppression, if not shutdown, will still occur before week 4 and the blood will still have significant levels until around week 7 so the sides that may start at, or just after, week 4 will occur. Just because you stopped injecting at a certain point doesnt mean the sides end immediatley, thus the reasoning behing beginner tren users choose ace instead on enth or hex.
Not trying to slam you, I just thought I'd try to clear things up so newbies don't think they can do deca for 4 weeks and skip along side free. If I'm wrong please someone correct me, I'm looking for some knowledge here.

 

[bee down]

My first cycle was a simple 400mg of EQ for 12 weeks. No sides at all, no bloat at all, all gains and a happy bee down. The only thing with EQ is that you'll die of anticipation waiting for it to kick in.

 

[mrp3652]

My first cycle was a simple 400mg of EQ for 12 weeks. No sides at all, no bloat at all, all gains and a happy bee down. The only thing with EQ is that you'll die of anticipation waiting for it to kick in.

Add that to the side list of EQ: death.

 

[JuicedAthletics]

This would be my suggestion as well .. why start out the gate with strong compounds like test .. just about every single bodybuilding chemisty book ever written gives ample reasons why " not " to use test first .

I'm 42 and never started test till i was 35 ... great gains can be seen on mild compounds like deca or primo or Eq for that matter , test is simply not needed right now

I would run 200mg of deca for 4 weeks .. 8 will cause suppression and sides that 4 weeks will miss out on

You'll be amazed at what 200mg a week of deca will do for someone who's never done anabolics before

Hey bro.. I hate to disagree with you but that is bad advice.. You usually post pretty good responses but 4 weeks of deca isnt a good protocol.

My second cycle I did deca alone for 8 weeks at 300mg per week. I was shut down hard. Why mess with something so difficult and surpressive for your first cycle?? Just take one shot per week of test cyp or enth. anything around 300mg per week will triple his normal test levels and pretty much keep him side free... Getting back to normal will be a little easier as well.. Just my 2 cents... If your going to only do 4 weeks, hit up a shorter ester..

 

[Ulter]

The best first cycle is 500mg/wk of test and 300mg/wk of deca.
That works fine for 95% of the people who use it. The problem is the other 5%. If you get sides you won't know which one is causing them. So the easiest solution is to just use the 500mg/wk of test for 8-10 weeks. Start the cycle with dbol for a few weeks.
Use AT LEAST 1mg/day of arimidex if you're going to use that. Personally I think it's too weak even at that full dose. Aromasin is much better and has few side effects than other Aromatase Inhibitors.

 

[boxerjake]

Hey bro.. I hate to disagree with you but that is bad advice.. You usually post pretty good responses but 4 weeks of deca isnt a good protocol.

My second cycle I did deca alone for 8 weeks at 300mg per week. I was shut down hard. Why mess with something so difficult and surpressive for your first cycle?? Just take one shot per week of test cyp or enth. anything around 300mg per week will triple his normal test levels and pretty much keep him side free... Getting back to normal will be a little easier as well.. Just my 2 cents... If your going to only do 4 weeks, hit up a shorter ester..

No worries mate ... It's all in what works for you

Any " first timer " will make gains on 200mg of deca for 4 weeks , how can they not considering what it does chemically .. positive nitrogen means one thing in my books ... " growth "
At 4 weeks PCT should'nt be needed , 8 weeks at 300mg is another story

My first cycle was a deca olny , thats why i chimed in on this thread because of personal experiance . Fact of the matter is i did about 4 deca olny cycles untill they failed to produce noticible gains any longer , that took me from 185 all the way to 220 through those days , then i switched to primo .

PCT Back then was none existance as far as i was aware and not needed considering the dose and timeframes ... fact is i never had a use for PCT till my first run in with test , what an eye opener that was .

I'm all for the milder compounds first at reasonable dosage and timeframe

I'm 5' 10" 244 today with a 33 inch waist and 20 inch arms benching into the mid 400's and @ 42 years old my body still responds very well to AAS ... 95 % of the guys i train with are no where near my size or strength and they don't respond to 2.5 grams a week due to mindless cycles in the past .

If your in a " race " to be huge then go ahead and pound a pint of oil in your ass and give er shit !! If you care at all about still being in the game when your in your 40's then maybe one should rethink there long term stratigy .

The exception would be those who wish to make BB there livlyhood .. but those who do know full well the risks they will have to take to get there .

So once again : It's all in what works for you

 

[JuicedAthletics]

"No worries mate ... It's all in what works for you

Any " first timer " will make gains on 200mg of deca for 4 weeks , how can they not considering what it does chemically .. positive nitrogen means one thing in my books ... " growth "
At 4 weeks PCT should'nt be needed , 8 weeks at 300mg is another story

My first cycle was a deca olny , thats why i chimed in on this thread because of personal experiance . Fact of the matter is i did about 4 deca olny cycles untill they failed to produce noticible gains any longer , that took me from 185 all the way to 220 through those days , then i switched to primo .

PCT Back then was none existance as far as i was aware and not needed considering the dose and timeframes ... fact is i never had a use for PCT till my first run in with test , what an eye opener that was .

I'm all for the milder compounds first at reasonable dosage and timeframe

I'm 5' 10" 244 today with a 33 inch waist and 20 inch arms benching into the mid 400's and @ 42 years old my body still responds very well to AAS ... 95 % of the guys i train with are no where near my size or strength and they don't respond to 2.5 grams a week due to mindless cycles in the past .

If your in a " race " to be huge then go ahead and pound a pint of oil in your ass and give er shit !! If you care at all about still being in the game when your in your 40's then maybe one should rethink there long term stratigy .

The exception would be those who wish to make BB there livlyhood .. but those who do know full well the risks they will have to take to get there .

So once again : It's all in what works for you"

Good post bro... You're bigger than me guy, so it obviously works for you.. Its funny how stuff works different for different people. I had a hard time with deca sides at 400mg per week, but test shows me no sides until a gram.. I guess its all trial and error.... I appreciate your mature respose!!
Later boss..

 

[boxerjake]

Personally i feel there are guidelines to AAS use which we should all try and educate ourselves about ... the rest is trial and error till one figures out how they respond to different compounds ... the variables are endless including age race bodytype genetics immune responce etc etc etc

Through the years i've come to realize there are compounds i cannot tolorate well such as oxy ... yet some guys love it
Today Deca gives me acne real bad at the first sight of it yet years ago this was not an issue .
D-bol gives me back pumps i can't handle yet in my early 30's i had no such problems with d-bol

Today due to my age i try stear clear of drugs that may enlarge the prosate yet in my 20's i could have cared less ..


As you can see AAS use is an ongoing education inwhich no ones rules apply to everyone .

Cheers Bro

 

[medi3val]

Shit, now I'm more confused than before.