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I am 5-11 140lbs. I just started working out and I am trying to get bigger. For the past 2-1/2 weeks I have been doing whole body workouts and I’m seeing great improvement in my strength and my muscles are a little more toned. I am trying to eat 3k calories and 140g of Protein a day. My question is how long should I do whole body workouts? Until I see no more gains? How many reps should I be doing? I do about 3 sets of 10 for every exercise and on my last rep I usually have a very hard time finishing it and if I finish it with ease I increase the weight the next time I workout. I lift MWF doing 1 exercise per body part.
 
Here is a program that is kind of similiar to the 5x5,Mark Rippetoe actually advised me to do this when I e-mailed him a few weeks ago.Mark Rippotoe(one of the top strength coaches in the U.S) uses this program on his new lifters and he makes them eat like crazy.Muscle gains of 30-40lb in six months are possible for a well fed lifter as well as massive strength gains in the major lifts.

Workout A

3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift/Power Clean 5x3,alternate every workout ''A''

Workout B

3x5 Squat
3x5 Military Press
3x5 Chinups
3x8 Weighted hyperextensions/ Good mornings

Warm up using several sets before doing the 3 work sets (or 1 for the deadlift). If you're using 175, for example, it would look like this:

Warm up sets

2x5xbar (sets x reps x weight)
1x5x85
1x3x125
1x2x155

Work sets

3x5x175


You alternate workout A and B, 3 non-consecutive days per week. So you might do:

Week 1

M

Workout A

W

Workout B

F

Workout A

Week 2

M

Workout B

W

Workout A

F

Workout B


Add weight to the bar whenever possible. If you're very new to lifting weights, or if most of your lifting has focused on curls and other isolation movements, you'll probably be able to add some weight each workout. Maybe 5-10 lbs each time in the squat and deadlift, and about 5 lbs in the other three lifts. Eventually you won't be able to sustain such progress, and you'll have to get microplates so you can increase by smaller increments. Or you could make them out of chain:

http://davedraper.com/forum/showflat...3/Main/126754/

And eat a lot of food. A whole lot.

It's fine to add some assistance work such as abs, hypers, or maybe some direct biceps and triceps work, but don't overdo it. For direct arm work, 3 sets of 8 of one lift for each muscle at the end of your last workout of the week will be plenty. Your arms are getting hit hard all week on this routine, so you don't want to blast them with iso stuff as well.

The part about food is important. You MUST eat big to get big. Rippetoe recommends 4 meals per day, plus a gallon of milk spread throughout the day.

Here is a quote from an interview on http://readthecore.com/200507/trenches4.htm
Matt: So how long does it typically take before a kid starts to stagnate from all the squatting without backing off?

Rip: Your standard 5’8” 150 junior in high school that will not eat will get stuck in about a month. Then he’ll quit anyway, so let’s talk about your non-standard 5’8” junior that actually will do the program. He’ll gain 5-7 pounds the first week, 15 lbs. the first month, and put 100 lbs. on his squat before he even slows down. Remember that as his squat goes up, his bodyweight does too, so it’s really not the same kid every workout. It’s a little bit bigger kid doing the workout, one that responds a little bit better than the previous version of the kid. He literally adapts fast enough that the concept of “1RM” or “5RM” is not valid, since the tested max applies to a kid that doesn’t exist anymore. The weight gain drives the strength increase, and the strength gain makes him bigger if he eats enough. Most practitioners do not get to see this happen (since trainees that will actually comply with such a program are very rare), and most academics will argue that it can’t (since they’ve never seen it in a peer-reviewed study). But I’ve had several trainees gain 60 pounds their first year at the gym. I’ve had lots of kids gain 30 pounds in 4 months. Lots. It obviously varies with the individual, but simple linear progress can continue for 3-6 months before any changes at all to the program need to be made.


Stick to this program and you will gain lots of strength and muscle,good luck.
 
I've been looking at doing a similar program. I am still making good gains every workout doing whole body 3X a week. Here is my routine i've been doing it for 4 weeks, how long until I stop?

Leg Press-3x8
Lying Leg Curl-3x8
Bench Press-3x8
Seated Cable Rows-3x8
Smith Machine(shoulders)-3x8
Dumbbell Shrug-3x8
Cable Press down-3x8
Standing EZ-Bar Curl-3x8
Calve Raises-3x8
Crunches-3x10
 
FuzzyGophar said:
I've been looking at doing a similar program. I am still making good gains every workout doing whole body 3X a week. Here is my routine i've been doing it for 4 weeks, how long until I stop?

Leg Press-3x8
Lying Leg Curl-3x8
Bench Press-3x8
Seated Cable Rows-3x8
Smith Machine(shoulders)-3x8
Dumbbell Shrug-3x8
Cable Press down-3x8
Standing EZ-Bar Curl-3x8
Calve Raises-3x8
Crunches-3x10

That is nothing like the program that I posted.No offence but it look like you took a shotgun array of sub-par exercises and just slapped them together.The barbell squat,Deadlift,overhead press,bench press and bent over rows are all you really need to focus on,not isolation/machine exercises which account for little in the overall scheme of things.

The reason that programs like the 5x5 and similiar programs are successful is not because of the rep range,but because it provides a template for progression over time in a few basic compound exercises that will ultimatly drive long term progression.Focus more on the big lifts while eating an excess in calories over time and you will gain muscle.
 
That is my current routine. I was saying after the routine i am doing (the one I posted) I was going to do a similar routine to yours.
 
I have an idea, dont do
Leg Press-3x8
Lying Leg Curl-3x8
Bench Press-3x8
Seated Cable Rows-3x8
Smith Machine(shoulders)-3x8
Dumbbell Shrug-3x8
Cable Press down-3x8
Standing EZ-Bar Curl-3x8
Calve Raises-3x8
Crunches-3x10

Do, bench, squats, deads, standing millitary, and bent over rows.
 
To be more polite, I have never seen someone go from 140 to 200 lbs doing.
Lying Leg Curl-3x8
Seated Cable Rows-3x8
Smith Machine(shoulders)-3x8
Cable Press down-3x8
Standing EZ-Bar Curl-3x8
Calve Raises-3x8
Crunches-3x10
 
asdfzxcv said:
Here is a program that is kind of similiar to the 5x5,Mark Rippetoe actually advised me to do this when I e-mailed him a few weeks ago.Mark Rippotoe(one of the top strength coaches in the U.S) uses this program on his new lifters and he makes them eat like crazy.Muscle gains of 30-40lb in six months are possible for a well fed lifter as well as massive strength gains in the major lifts.

Workout A

3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift/Power Clean 5x3,alternate every workout ''A''

Workout B

3x5 Squat
3x5 Military Press
3x5 Chinups
3x8 Weighted hyperextensions/ Good mornings

Warm up using several sets before doing the 3 work sets (or 1 for the deadlift). If you're using 175, for example, it would look like this:

Warm up sets

2x5xbar (sets x reps x weight)
1x5x85
1x3x125
1x2x155

Work sets

3x5x175


You alternate workout A and B, 3 non-consecutive days per week. So you might do:

Week 1

M

Workout A

W

Workout B

F

Workout A

Week 2

M

Workout B

W

Workout A

F

Workout B


Add weight to the bar whenever possible. If you're very new to lifting weights, or if most of your lifting has focused on curls and other isolation movements, you'll probably be able to add some weight each workout. Maybe 5-10 lbs each time in the squat and deadlift, and about 5 lbs in the other three lifts. Eventually you won't be able to sustain such progress, and you'll have to get microplates so you can increase by smaller increments. Or you could make them out of chain:

http://davedraper.com/forum/showflat...3/Main/126754/

And eat a lot of food. A whole lot.

It's fine to add some assistance work such as abs, hypers, or maybe some direct biceps and triceps work, but don't overdo it. For direct arm work, 3 sets of 8 of one lift for each muscle at the end of your last workout of the week will be plenty. Your arms are getting hit hard all week on this routine, so you don't want to blast them with iso stuff as well.

The part about food is important. You MUST eat big to get big. Rippetoe recommends 4 meals per day, plus a gallon of milk spread throughout the day.

Here is a quote from an interview on http://readthecore.com/200507/trenches4.htm
Matt: So how long does it typically take before a kid starts to stagnate from all the squatting without backing off?

Rip: Your standard 5’8” 150 junior in high school that will not eat will get stuck in about a month. Then he’ll quit anyway, so let’s talk about your non-standard 5’8” junior that actually will do the program. He’ll gain 5-7 pounds the first week, 15 lbs. the first month, and put 100 lbs. on his squat before he even slows down. Remember that as his squat goes up, his bodyweight does too, so it’s really not the same kid every workout. It’s a little bit bigger kid doing the workout, one that responds a little bit better than the previous version of the kid. He literally adapts fast enough that the concept of “1RM” or “5RM” is not valid, since the tested max applies to a kid that doesn’t exist anymore. The weight gain drives the strength increase, and the strength gain makes him bigger if he eats enough. Most practitioners do not get to see this happen (since trainees that will actually comply with such a program are very rare), and most academics will argue that it can’t (since they’ve never seen it in a peer-reviewed study). But I’ve had several trainees gain 60 pounds their first year at the gym. I’ve had lots of kids gain 30 pounds in 4 months. Lots. It obviously varies with the individual, but simple linear progress can continue for 3-6 months before any changes at all to the program need to be made.


Stick to this program and you will gain lots of strength and muscle,good luck.
If you eat-add cals if aren't putting on weight, I would double that protein amount also, and do this program as suggested I think you will be a happy camper.

Perp
 
I am just trying to set a baseline with the routine I am doing now. The idea was to do a basic routine for 4 to 5 weeks then move on to a serious routine. I didn't want to jump right in, I wanted to ease into it.
 
I have been lifting for over 20 years and I still incorporate full body workouts. Do a search on HST, sounds like it might be up your alley.

As for the eating, use www.fitday.com to make sure you are getting those 3000 cals and 140g of protien you are looking for.

Good luck,


Bluesman
 
i think just because ur a beginner, doesnt mean u have to train like a 'beginner'

in the beginning, you need to learn proper form, once that happens, u can do the same work out that an advanced person does.

its not much different. i do nothing crazy, i consider myself almost advanced...

i still to squats, deads rows and presses. simple and effective...

for now, id master the squat, deadlift, and overhead press... start there...
 
listen to asdfzxcv.. i started out as a "beginner" too.. but i did that program and i gained lots from it.. it prepared me to the SF 5x5.. u MUST learn all the compound movements properly first if not you'll be spending alot of time changing bad habit in the future.. and as a beginner, it will not over complicate things for u.. good luck..
 
I would go ahead and start with the compound exercises because you will have to get use to them anyway. Just start with weight you can easily manage to get use to them and then go from there. Think of that as your beginner phase. Incidentally all I do is the 5X5 type program except for some speed and grip training sometimes. Sometimes I will add some dips or arm work in there now but that is about it.

Perp
 
Isnt squatting that much a week severe overtraining?

Ive been doing that posted program this week and my quads have been sore everyday haha. Im about to do it again in a bit here (3rd day on the program) and i posted it up on another forum and was told its overtraining to squat that much every week.

So im just wondering what the deal is because im hearing conflicting things.
 
I've squated 3x a week MWF, was sore every workout and did not overtrain. One, NEVER lift to failure, two, soreness in the muscle is not an indication of overtraining, third, keep the volume in check, as long as you're getting stronger, there's no problem, last, make sure you eat and get enough sleep.
 
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