beginner that needs help

[fightercowboy]

I have been bodybuilding for years and wanted to start taking something to get past my plateaus and blast forward, but I have NO idea where to begin. What do I need to get? I've heard about d-bol and anavar as two possibilities. What cycles? Thanks a lot!

 

[Spidey]

I know you are not asking for a source, right? 'Cause that would be against the board rules.

Just stick around a while and make friends. Avenues tend to open up over time.

 

[organic]

Forget ALL oral anabolics!
Extrem sideeffects for a little effect. Dont worth a try. If you want to do it real and more healthy you should use inj. Testo.

Here is a cycle of a german board which will give you good effects with none/minimal sideeffects!

Testosteron Enantat
Why? Because its a very long ester, so you wont have a bad testo peak (like you would have with Susta!!! --> Gyno etc!). So, it works more effective.

As you are a beginner, here it comes:
Day 1: 250mg Testo E
Day 4: 250mg Testo E (mini frontload)

and then every 7-10 days later also 250mg!


Please keep in mind: Dbol/Winn/Anapolon are only for silly users....

This cycle is VERY HEALTHY, if you want to stack, then do this with nandrolone 200mg each week.

Train as OFTEN as possible, thats very important.

More gaining cycle:
Week 1- 14
Each week 500mg Testosterone Enantat
week 15-16 nothing
week 17 Clomid (first day 300mg, then 50mg/day for min. 14days).

Stacking with nandrolone possible.

You really should do this and not such a dbol/susta stuff....

With this testocycle you sould be able to keep most of your gains. you wont get fat but will gain real muscles....

good luck!

 

[thx9000]

Tell me about the extreme side effects of Var or Primo...

 

[RADAR]

Tell me about the extreme side effects of Var or Primo...

I consider this pretty extreme..............."you get bigger-but your wallet doesn't"


RADAR

 

[ripper2]

testosterone

 

[Testopro one]

Forget ALL oral anabolics!
Extrem sideeffects for a little effect. Dont worth a try. If you want to do it real and more healthy you should use inj. Testo.

Here is a cycle of a german board which will give you good effects with none/minimal sideeffects!

Testosteron Enantat
Why? Because its a very long ester, so you wont have a bad testo peak (like you would have with Susta!!! --> Gyno etc!). So, it works more effective.

As you are a beginner, here it comes:
Day 1: 250mg Testo E
Day 4: 250mg Testo E (mini frontload)

and then every 7-10 days later also 250mg!


Please keep in mind: Dbol/Winn/Anapolon are only for silly users....

This cycle is VERY HEALTHY, if you want to stack, then do this with nandrolone 200mg each week.

Train as OFTEN as possible, thats very important.

More gaining cycle:
Week 1- 14
Each week 500mg Testosterone Enantat
week 15-16 nothing
week 17 Clomid (first day 300mg, then 50mg/day for min. 14days).

Stacking with nandrolone possible.

You really should do this and not such a dbol/susta stuff....

With this testocycle you sould be able to keep most of your gains. you wont get fat but will gain real muscles....

good luck!

WTF??? sustanon is a blend of 4 tests and it has long acting esters and you can still get gyno from test E

 

[organic]

Yes for sure, BUT susta got also short esters. and there is NO need for them!

To prevent gyno there should be taken 100mg zink (dont know how to write zink in english...), and also, if needed, anti estro..

But Testo is NO.1 !!

 

[fightercowboy]

Spidey what do you suggest for a good beginner stack? I am 22 5'10" 195 and 15.3% bf. I was 180 and 7% 4 years ago in high school and want to break 200 eventually and be at 7%. So whats the best way?

 

[MikeyG]

fightercowboy, you wanna break 200? EAT!

 

[MikeyG]

Train as OFTEN as possible, thats very important.

I must say that's the worst advice you can give there. Train often as possible? No. uh-uh. Are you suggesting that one is to train 4 or 5+ a week? You can be overtrained while even on AAS.

I make my BEST gains in the gym training 3 times a week and I may even start training 2 times a week. My poundages have been increasing by 5 to 20 pounds with each basic exercise. I doubt you can do that with training 4+ times a week.

Sure you can flame me, but I think alot of training gurus will agree with me there.

 

[Awes0me]

dbol is a good place to start, it was for me... I had a good read of a book written by Mick Hart (UK bodybuilding guru) who wrote a couple of books called the Laymans Guide to Steroids 1+2. Anyway he recommends an 10 week cycle starting with 3 tabs per day for the first week, ramping upto 10 tabs per day for weeks 5+6 and back to 3 per day for week 10 (dont forget to take nolv or tamox per day as well).. anyway i think the recommended dosage is 30mg per day (6 tabs) and this is basically what i did, ramping from 3 to 7 and back to 3 (for 8 weeks).. Fantastic results gained 16lb and added a massive boost of strength.. Love it.

 

[fightercowboy]

sounds good awesOme. Where can I find that book at?

 

[fightercowboy]

well do you guys think that I should cut first and get down to 7% bf or bulk to get to my desired weight and then cut?

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

I consider this pretty extreme..............."you get bigger-but your wallet doesn't"


RADAR

 

[alltraps]

Forget ALL oral anabolics!
Extrem sideeffects for a little effect.

Please keep in mind: Dbol/Winn/Anapolon are only for silly users....



With this testocycle you sould be able to keep most of your gains. you wont get fat but will gain real muscles....

good luck!

can you please explain why dbol/winn/anapolan are for silly users? and how they give extreme sides for little effect?

those statements are SILLY

 

[Awes0me]

sounds good awesOme. Where can I find that book at?

If you want a copy i have both on my computer, book one is 750k and book two is 3.5meg (both pdf files). I can probarbly mail u the first book, but i think the second is too big. If you know of a way.. i'll try.

 

[fightercowboy]

awesOme you could compress it into a zip file and send it.

Thanks man!

 

[~ThaGame~]

Organic....what the FUCK are you talking about, you just used more misinformation on this thread then i have ever seen.

 

[Testopro one]

where is this dude from?(organic)

 

[Awes0me]

fightercowboy, give me your email address and i can send you book 1 (750k) but book 2 compresses to 3.4meg (from 3.5meg). Dont know exactly what i can do about that..

 

[Awes0me]

dude, have sent you book 1. Let me know if you recieve it.

Cheers

 

[Awes0me]

book 2 split and sent mate