Before my 2nd cycle advise. .

[slaabrokk]

Male 26, 180cm tall, 88kg (194 lbs)

Mars 1st i started my first cycle: Test E 500mg a week 12 weeks. Hcgenerate and forma stanzol for cycle support from week 6 and troghout PCT. Unleashed/post cycle and DAA for PCT, followed by Bridge for 4 weeks. Had great succes with this cycle. Gained a lot.
Some water ofcorse, but the strenght i gained is still here!
No Gyno signs, only acne on shoulders breast. Not very ill, but ill enough for me to try avoid it in my next cycle. .

My 2nd cycle im thinking of doing almost the same. just add dbol for kickstart, and anavar to the end. test E 500mg 12 weeks.

Can you guys give me some advice here. How long time is best to do Dbol for kickstart? And when is it best to start anavar? And can anyone suggest a supplement for acne reduction? or tips?

Is there anything else should add in PCT/cycle support since im now adding Dbol and anavar? Im thinking of milk thistle or N2guard. Since those are oral.

Any advice and corrections are very appreciated!

 

[MattJS]

I'd add the dbol right from the start at 30mg per day for five weeks, it takes two weeks to start doing anything noticeable so that gives you three weeks of good times by which point the test should be kicking in nicely... I'll leave advice on your other questions to those who have more experience, only other thing I can say is for the acne I don't get it myself but know a few bros who apply tea tree oil when it shows up with some success

 

[slaabrokk]

Thanks for the input! Will google it

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[ppgfreak]

What are your goals from the cycle? I like dbol at 25-50mg ed. It's hard to say how long to run it, it depends on what test your running with it. I like test e, I run dbol for 30-40 days. It takes my over 4 weeks to feel test e.

I'm not sure on the acne, I've luckily never gotten it.

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[dylangemelli]

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 hcg 500 ius week or hcgenerate
9-14 anavar 60 mg day first four weeks bump to 80 mg last two weeks
9-14 proviron 75 mg day

pct
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa powerchews

 

[slaabrokk]

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 hcg 500 ius week or hcgenerate
9-14 anavar 60 mg day first four weeks bump to 80 mg last two weeks
9-14 proviron 75 mg day

pct
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa powerchews

Thanks!

Exactly what i needed-

On my first cycle, the only AI i used was Forma Stanzol. Started week 7 and throughout PCT. And i was fine. Is Forma not enough on this cycle, beacuse i added dbol? If i cannot find aromasin, can i change it with Arimidex?

 

[dylangemelli]

you could use forma but i always prefer aromasin on a test cycle, especially with dbol... arimidex would do but aromasin would be better...

 

[mr.enthate]

Chemicalneed.com bro for amarosin

 

[slaabrokk]

you could use forma but i always prefer aromasin on a test cycle, especially with dbol... arimidex would do but aromasin would be better...

Ok, Then i save forma for PCT, and try to get hands on some aromasin. Not sure about ordering from cemicalneed. Toll customs in Norway are hard to deal with.

Thanks for youre help

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[slaabrokk]

Hi again. .

Didnt get hold off proviron and anavar.

But i have dbol, test and aromasin. .

Aromasin will fit even with only dbol and test? 12,5 mg EOD?

I will do everythig mentioned above, only drop anavar and proviron. .

 

[dylangemelli]

yes dose aromasin 12.5 mg eod... you could replace anavar with winnie...

 

[slaabrokk]

Ok! Cause winnie i have available. . And it is ok to run it without proviron? Only aromasin?

 

[slaabrokk]

Then my cycle will look like this. .

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 HCGenerate
9-14 Winstrol (dosage)?

PCT
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 Unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa

Seem ok?

 

[joeblow12345]

Then my cycle will look like this. .

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 HCGenerate
9-14 Winstrol (dosage)?

PCT
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 Unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa

Seem ok?

Run the winny at 50 mg day.

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[dylangemelli]

looks great... do the winnie at 50... you may want to get some forged joint repair because winnie is going to cause you some joint pain...

 

[slaabrokk]

Alreadu haver forged joint repair. .Cause wih my first cycle with only test e, my joints starting to hurt around wek 10 and throughout PCT. . Lifting to big for my bones

This next cycle will hurt my wallet:/

 

[slaabrokk]

Some finall thoughts on this cycle:

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 HCGenerate
9-14 Winstrol 50mg day

PCT
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 Unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa


Since i got a bit of acne on my shoulders/chest on my test only cycle, im a little concerned about adding Dbol. Im sure it will not be better by adding Dbol, but i will put in more effort lesson the acne. Bought acnetame kit, basiron (benzoyl peroxide) and Vitamin B5 powder. You suggest me taking 30mg Dbol a day 1-4wk. Would it be stupid to only run 20mg day?

You also suggest using N2Guard at the same time as Dbol, but what about Winstrol? Isnt Winstrol equally hard, if not worse for the liver?

And last Aromasin: Is it doing the same job as arimidex, only better?

Only 1 week from starting this cycle, so got to be 100% sure about everything

Thanks!

 

[dylangemelli]

Some finall thoughts on this cycle:

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 HCGenerate
9-14 Winstrol 50mg day

PCT
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 Unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa


Since i got a bit of acne on my shoulders/chest on my test only cycle, im a little concerned about adding Dbol. Im sure it will not be better by adding Dbol, but i will put in more effort lesson the acne. Bought acnetame kit, basiron (benzoyl peroxide) and Vitamin B5 powder. You suggest me taking 30mg Dbol a day 1-4wk. Would it be stupid to only run 20mg day?

You also suggest using N2Guard at the same time as Dbol, but what about Winstrol? Isnt Winstrol equally hard, if not worse for the liver?

And last Aromasin: Is it doing the same job as arimidex, only better?

Only 1 week from starting this cycle, so got to be 100% sure about everything

Thanks!

definitely run n2guard with winnie as well...

run dbol at 30 mg day...

aromasin is stronger than arimidex... arimidex only suppresses estrogen while aromasin actually kills it...

 

[slaabrokk]

Still not started this cycle, but i will start in 7 days.

Some guys told me to frontload aromasin 1 week before i started. Is that a good idea? And instead of 12,5mg eod (which is 1/2 of a pill) can i take a 1/4 of a pill ED instead?
Forma stanzol didnt get through toll customs, but i have N2Guard, Clomid, Hcgenerate, Unleased&post cycle and DAA. .

I also dropped winny. Wil look like this:

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 HCGenerate


PCT
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 Unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 daa

 

[infraredline]

Still not started this cycle, but i will start in 7 days.

Some guys told me to frontload aromasin 1 week before i started. Is that a good idea? And instead of 12,5mg eod (which is 1/2 of a pill) can i take a 1/4 of a pill ED instead?
Forma stanzol didnt get through toll customs, but i have N2Guard, Clomid, Hcgenerate, Unleased&post cycle and DAA. .

I also dropped winny. Wil look like this:

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 HCGenerate


PCT
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 Unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 daa

The var would be useful even without proviron you could run that at 50mg a day for the last 4-5weeks and see some decent results, good call on dropping the winny, in my opinion it's not worth using since it kills your joints which just asks for injury, everything else looks good just make sure your diet is on track!

 

[slaabrokk]

The var would be useful even without proviron you could run that at 50mg a day for the last 4-5weeks and see some decent results, good call on dropping the winny, in my opinion it's not worth using since it kills your joints which just asks for injury, everything else looks good just make sure your diet is on track!

Unfortunately Var and proviron are out of the picture long time ago. . Diet and everything else is good, and i am starting in 7 days=) What do you think of frontloading aromasin?

 

[slaabrokk]

definitely run n2guard with winnie as well...

run dbol at 30 mg day...

aromasin is stronger than arimidex... arimidex only suppresses estrogen while aromasin actually kills it...

Im 2 weeks in on this cycle now. but instead of 12,5mg aromasin EOD, i cut the tab in 2 and take 6,25mg ED instead. Anything wrong with that?