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Before and After Humans.

CFZB said:
make sure you go to the Future as well.

It seems the whole point of evolution is to end up digressing back to our primordial selves. The more advanced we become, the more we fall back......it appears humans have reached the pinnacle of evolution, thus anything thereafter is degradation.




DIV
 
DIVISION said:
It seems the whole point of evolution is to end up digressing back to our primordial selves. The more advanced we become, the more we fall back......it appears humans have reached the pinnacle of evolution, thus anything thereafter is degradation.




DIV
so why dont you come over here and ride my cock then.......
 
needtogetas said:
i out rank you both so i say a double blow job is in order

Sure.......after I get your wife down on her hands and knees and split her ass open from the back. Hope she's down for rear-entry, bro. :evil:



DIV
 
DIVISION said:
Sure.......after I get your wife down on her hands and knees and split her ass open from the back. Hope she's down for rear-entry, bro. :evil:



DIV
fuckin another soilders wife thats an article 15 bro.company grade.i give you 6 months of sweaty dick suckin plus forfiture of half your pay for 3 months and 45 days extra lickin my ass duty and 45 days restriction to my balls only
 
yeah plus the other troops crew gets to wack your shins with machetes.

that happened while I was stationed in alaska.

dude fucked dudes wife after a party.

later that night they snuck in held him down and had at him.

good times.
 
CFZB said:
yeah plus the other troops crew gets to wack your shins with machetes.

that happened while I was stationed in alaska.

dude fucked dudes wife after a party.

later that night they snuck in held him down and had at him.

good times.

He didn't rape the dude's wife, right? She willingly had sex with him, right?

Why are you punishing the soldier? She had to spread her cheeks in order for him to pound her.....it takes two! ;)




DIV
 
StickFigure said:
Rediculous!! The earth is barley 6000 years old! Evolution will ALWAYS be only a THEORY! There is no proof of evolution. To believe we "evolved" from some primordial stew (rocks and mud) or to believe we came from apes is insanity at it's finest. If apes evolved into humans, why aren't they still evolving??




Are you kidding? You believe this?????
 
DIVISION said:
He didn't rape the dude's wife, right? She willingly had sex with him, right?

Why are you punishing the soldier? She had to spread her cheeks in order for him to pound her.....it takes two! ;)




DIV
oh I had nothing to do with it...didnt know anyone involved.wasnt my crew .didnt know the cheat or the cheatie.
 
CFZB said:
oh I had nothing to do with it...didnt know anyone involved.wasnt my crew .didnt know the cheat or the cheatie.

Damn......I was hoping you were the one who got to pound the dude's wifey.



DIV
 
Jay Cartwright said:
Cool!

I'm sure I've got a few of those missing links living on my street.

Interesting that the 'Unihumans' section mentioned gene-mixing becoming global. There's been huge changes in attitude and acceptance of this over a relatively short space of time. Their impression looks very Eurasian.

Problem with that is, is that we will never get that far into the future with the world as it is. If we make it another 100 years I would be freaking A-MAZED!!
 
StickFigure said:
Absolutley!! Without a doubt! There is overwhelming evidence to prove that evolution is a joke!




Really?


Wow.....Funny, I see it everyday.


Evolution takes MILLIONS of years. You will not go "poof" and evolve.

The fact you do not need an appendix but have on is through evolution. Millions of years from now it will not even be there. The fact that wisdom teeth are not needed is through evolution.


Seals, sea lions, and dolphins have all the bones in their flippers to prove they walked on land once. I see it everyday. :)
 
StickFigure said:
Problem with that is, is that we will never get that far into the future with the world as it is. If we make it another 100 years I would be freaking A-MAZED!!
Certainly looking that way.
 
starfish said:
Really?


Wow.....Funny, I see it everyday.


Evolution takes MILLIONS of years. You will not go "poof" and evolve.

The fact you do not need an appendix but have on is through evolution. Millions of years from now it will not even be there. The fact that wisdom teeth are not needed is through evolution.


Seals, sea lions, and dolphins have all the bones in their flippers to prove they walked on land once. I see it everyday. :)

Considering the earth is only about 6000 years old makes the MILLIONS of years of evolution impossible.

None of what you said proves evolution.
And as far as your seals, sea lions, and dolphins walking on land, why don't we see them walking on land today? Why are dolphins confined to the water if they used to so freely walk on land?
By using these creatures for your argument, you have turned the theory of evolution backwards. Them once walking on land and now not being able to do so is the opposite of evolving, it is degenerating.
The theory of evolutions main premise is that things continue to progress or advance in a forward motion or direction, but nothing is like that. The world itself is degenerating, plant life is less abundant and in comparison to the past much smaller, our atmosphere is degenerating, animals have not progressed in a forward direction and at best have remained on a stagnant plane. Humans.....well just look at todays society. :rolleyes: Outside of man-made technology, nothing is advancing there either.
 
the truth is .....if there is a god....he was the one who made evolution.

everyone is right.

Just because the earth is millions of years old ....

doesnt mean the bible isnt true or whatever.

Jesus didnt have carbon dating .....I dont think.
 
StickFigure said:
Considering the earth is only about 6000 years old makes the MILLIONS of years of evolution impossible.

None of what you said proves evolution.
And as far as your seals, sea lions, and dolphins walking on land, why don't we see them walking on land today? Why are dolphins confined to the water if they used to so freely walk on land?
By using these creatures for your argument, you have turned the theory of evolution backwards. Them once walking on land and now not being able to do so is the opposite of evolving, it is degenerating.
The theory of evolutions main premise is that things continue to progress or advance in a forward motion or direction, but nothing is like that. The world itself is degenerating, plant life is less abundant and in comparison to the past much smaller, our atmosphere is degenerating, animals have not progressed in a forward direction and at best have remained on a stagnant plane. Humans.....well just look at todays society. :rolleyes: Outside of man-made technology, nothing is advancing there either.





They don't walk on land because they EVOLVED for an environment that is obviously BETTER for them. What makes land so great?


EVERYTHING IS ADVANCING if MAN does not screw it up in the process. YOU WILL NOT SEE EVOLUTION in your lifetime. IT TAKES YEARS!!!!!
 
ChewYxRage said:

For me to take up the space here to list them is unreasonable and would take way too long!

However, if you REALLY want to know. Go online and get a video series by a guy named Kent Hovend, called Creation.
http://www.drdino.com:8080/

This guy has debated with the worlds top evolutionists and scientists and has never been backed down in ANY debate. He has made it his lifes study to present the facts of creation.

He has the answers you seek.
 
StickFigure said:
Considering the earth is only about 6000 years old makes the MILLIONS of years of evolution impossible.


How did you come up with that? We have found fossils dating back millions of years.
 
StickFigure said:
For me to take up the space here to list them is unreasonable and would take way too long!

However, if you REALLY want to know. Go online and get a video series by a guy named Kent Hovend, called Creation.
http://www.drdino.com:8080/

This guy has debated with the worlds top evolutionists and scientists and has never been backed down in ANY debate. He has made it his lifes study to present the facts of creation.

He has the answers you seek.


I'd prolly just get pissed. :)
 
starfish said:
They don't walk on land because they EVOLVED for an environment that is obviously BETTER for them. What makes land so great?


EVERYTHING IS ADVANCING if MAN does not screw it up in the process. YOU WILL NOT SEE EVOLUTION in your lifetime. IT TAKES YEARS!!!!!

NO ONE WILL EVER SEE EVOLUTION.....BECAUSE IT IS A FARCE!!

Show me proof! Show me the missing links! And I'm not just talking about humans. Show me ONE single fossil that shows a creature in it's "evolutionary transition stage" where it is transforming from it's original state to it's "evolved" state.
Ain't gonna happen.
 
StickFigure said:
NO ONE WILL EVER SEE EVOLUTION.....BECAUSE IT IS A FARCE!!

Show me proof! Show me the missing links! And I'm not just talking about humans. Show me ONE single fossil that shows a creature in it's "evolutionary transition stage" where it is transforming from it's original state to it's "evolved" state.
Ain't gonna happen.




Show me proof it does not exist. SHOW ME PROOF!

There is NO EVOLUTIONARY TRANSITION STAGE. It is GRADUAL! It's not scientist's fault humans do not live millions of years so you can see the evolutinary process. Talk to God about that. :)

Why do I have organs I do not need?

I will stick with the science I see EVERYDAY. Thanks :)
 
StickFigure said:
NO ONE WILL EVER SEE EVOLUTION.....BECAUSE IT IS A FARCE!!

Show me proof! Show me the missing links! And I'm not just talking about humans. Show me ONE single fossil that shows a creature in it's "evolutionary transition stage" where it is transforming from it's original state to it's "evolved" state.
Ain't gonna happen.
Evolution's answer to that is that the transition stages have died off leaving us with the fittest of each group stage and that we are in fact evolving all the time but as this happens over the course of millions of years we cannot observe it.

Your right there isn't any solid fossil evidence to back up evolution, that's why it's just a theory.
 
ChewYxRage said:
How did you come up with that? We have found fossils dating back millions of years.

Do a little research on how "carbon dating" works. Once you figure that out, you will probably laugh at how ridiculous carbon dating is!

One experiment I vaguely remember, sorry I don't have specifics, went something like this:

Scientists were given an object to carbon date. The scientists were told it was found on an archeological dig. When actually the object was only a few years old and had been burried in the ground during that time.
The scientists "carbon dated" the object as being hundreds of thousands of years old.

Carbon dating is really a joke.
 
starfish said:
There is NO EVOLUTIONARY TRANSITION STAGE. It is GRADUAL!

Well even if it is gradual, there should be some evidence that there was a change going on, but there isn't. Millions of years should give PLENTY of time for some evidence of the transition.
 
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The planet is only 6000 years old?
I'm not even gonna touch this one. OMG.
People should finish atleast the 6th grade before posting.
Fossil record-Check it out.
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
The planet is only 6000 years old?
I'm not even gonna touch this one. OMG.
People should finish atleast the 6th grade before posting.
Fossil record-Check it out.

Go back a page and read my post on carbon dating.

post #37
 
StickFigure said:
Go back a page and read my post on carbon dating.

post #37


StickFigure said:
Do a little research on how "carbon dating" works. Once you figure that out, you will probably laugh at how ridiculous carbon dating is!

One experiment I vaguely remember, sorry I don't have specifics, went something like this:

Scientists were given an object to carbon date. The scientists were told it was found on an archeological dig. When actually the object was only a few years old and had been burried in the ground during that time.
The scientists "carbon dated" the object as being hundreds of thousands of years old.

Carbon dating is really a joke.
I know how carbon isotope ratio dating works....
There is room for error.
Still has nothing to do with the retarted response of the planet being 6000 years old.
 
interesting theory on how humans may turn out. I can see that sort of thing happening, but I think the timeline is way off. I personally think it will occur MUCH MUCH MUCH faster than that, perhaps cybernetic humans within a 1000 years or even less. They'll probably come up with a way to make the body not reject technology other than by taking a pill or something.
 
StickFigure said:
NO ONE WILL EVER SEE EVOLUTION.....BECAUSE IT IS A FARCE!!

Show me proof! Show me the missing links! And I'm not just talking about humans. Show me ONE single fossil that shows a creature in it's "evolutionary transition stage" where it is transforming from it's original state to it's "evolved" state.
Ain't gonna happen.

We see evolution taking place with bacteria and viruses, superstrains and superbacteria and antiresistantance to antibiotics. It is function of reproduction rates and mutations and follows the rules of evolution. Carbon dating, based on chemical laws disprove the claim of 6000years of existance. I on the other hand dont believe anything that I havent experienced so to me its all wrong, just a creation of the mind that is where your logic leads.
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
I know how carbon isotope ratio dating works....
There is room for error.
Still has nothing to do with the retarted response of the planet being 6000 years old.

Once again, go back a page.

See my post #29. Go to the link, if you really want to know the truth, and read what he has to say or better yet, get the video series. The proof is all there!
 
StickFigure said:
Once again, go back a page.

See my post #29. Go to the link, if you really want to know the truth, and read what he has to say or better yet, get the video series. The proof is all there!
The proof LOL.
You know how fast mountains would have to grow, then erode for that time line to work?
Here's this: The Himalayas grow at centimeter every two years. They are now over 30,000 feet.
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
The proof LOL.
You know how fast mountains would have to grow, then erode for that time line to work?
Here's this: The Himalayas grow at centimeter every two years. They are now over 30,000 feet.

Well if you don't believe in God and creation, it'll be hard for you to digest.
You must take into account the fact that God made the mountains. The great flood (Noah's Ark) created many of the valleys and canyons in a very short time. Any growth of the mountains or erosion of valleys and canyons that now occur is simply the natural process. That's why all these dating methods are a joke, because their foundation is based on how things work in the present day.

Seriously, if you really want to know the facts, you need to get a hold of his video series. If you're worried about the price, you can order them watch them copy them and return them for your money back. He has no problem with that. He just wants to get the truth into peoples hands.
 
StickFigure said:
Any growth of the mountains or erosion of valleys and canyons that now occur is simply the natural process.
Why now is it a natural process? Maybe it always was.
StickFigure said:
That's why all these dating methods are a joke, because their foundation is based on how things work in the present day.
Not a joke - radiometric dating methods are law.
Taking limits of isotopes of lead works much more clearly then carbon.
StickFigure said:
Seriously, if you really want to know the facts, you need to get a hold of his video series. If you're worried about the price, you can order them watch them copy them and return them for your money back. He has no problem with that. He just wants to get the truth into peoples hands.
Those aren't fact...
Whatever valid argument is brought up, your gonna say God did it, or changed it, or some shit, and since your argument includes an all powerful being, and I/we weren't here to see it happen for ourself, this will go nowhere.
I can show mathmatica laws, you can say God made it different cause he has magic powers to do all.
Kinda like two kids arguing about if Santa can fly or not. I say no, he's a fairy tail, you'll say, no he is real, and since we haven't seen him, and there is no evidence to prove or disprove; it's an impass.
 
starfish said:
Show me proof it does not exist. SHOW ME PROOF!

There is NO EVOLUTIONARY TRANSITION STAGE. It is GRADUAL! It's not scientist's fault humans do not live millions of years so you can see the evolutinary process. Talk to God about that. :)

Why do I have organs I do not need?

I will stick with the science I see EVERYDAY. Thanks :)


Debating with these people is like teaching a pig to sing all you do is waste your time and annoy the pig. You can't argue with people who rely on blind faith to guide them instead of trying to see other points of view. As a Geologist/paleontologist I can't agree with you more from all the evidence I have seen/studied.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
Why now is it a natural process? Maybe it always was.

Not a joke - radiometric dating methods are law.
Taking limits of isotopes of lead works much more clearly then carbon.

Those aren't fact...
Whatever valid argument is brought up, your gonna say God did it, or changed it, or some shit, and since your argument includes an all powerful being, and I/we weren't here to see it happen for ourself, this will go nowhere.
I can show mathmatica laws, you can say God made it different cause he has magic powers to do all.
Kinda like two kids arguing about if Santa can fly or not. I say no, he's a fairy tail, you'll say, no he is real, and since we haven't seen him, and there is no evidence to prove or disprove; it's an impass.

Yes, impass is where we end up. But I think if you took time and watched that video series, you might see things differently. He is the expert, not me. He can explain it better than my pathetic ramblings.
That is unless you're afraid of finding out the truth?
 
StickFigure said:
Yes, impass is where we end up. But I think if you took time and watched that video series, you might see things differently. He is the expert, not me. He can explain it better than my pathetic ramblings.
That is unless you're afraid of finding out the truth?


Question, why is there a fossil record if these creatures didn't exist?

Man has records going back more than 6000yrs if you look into protoegyptian and asian cultures, so how do you explain that?

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Scotsman said:
Question, why is there a fossil record if these creatures didn't exist?

Man has records going back more than 6000yrs if you look into protoegyptian and asian cultures, so how do you explain that?

Cheers,
Scotsman

Same way i explain evolution and big bang theories.....they're a farce.
 
StickFigure said:
Yes, impass is where we end up. But I think if you took time and watched that video series, you might see things differently. He is the expert, not me. He can explain it better than my pathetic ramblings.
That is unless you're afraid of finding out the truth?
In man's ongoing grasp of the laws of the Universe, there has been many different truths
Sometimes scientists considered quacks in their time, are hailed and ideas accepted, long after they're dead. Like Alfred Wegener.
 
StickFigure said:
Same way i explain evolution and big bang theories.....they're a farce.


Written continuous records are a farce?

And what do you call the things in museums that look like skeletons of animals?

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Anyone subscribe to the Creation THROUGH evolution theory? What if it was all made by god, but something similar to evolution? The bible just gives you the BAREST of details, and the whole 7 day thing... god doesn't exist in time... it could have been 7 periods of time.
 
Scotsman said:
Question, why is there a fossil record if these creatures didn't exist?

Man has records going back more than 6000yrs if you look into protoegyptian and asian cultures, so how do you explain that?

Cheers,
Scotsman
True, human civilization is older then that estimate.
I quess the Ice Age only lasted 20 mintutes :D
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
True, human civilization is older then that estimate.
I quess the Ice Age only lasted 20 mintutes :D


Well since we've identified several cohereant ice ages than maybe more like 20 seconds ;)

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
people who deny evolution are complete idiots.

Study some molecular biology and the truth will become possibly even more obvious.

I think denial of evolution is actually MORE foolish than the well comparison, that the earth is flat.

Even my hardline Christian professors, recognise the total obviousness of evolution.
 
I no longer worry about those questions that I cannot answer. When God shows you that he is real, it really doesn't matter.
 
biteme said:
I no longer worry about those questions that I cannot answer. When God shows you that he is real, it really doesn't matter.

Philippians 2:9-11
9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
StickFigure said:
Philippians 2:9-11
9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
it sucks the most when some one you love just wont see this
 
StickFigure said:
Philippians 2:9-11
9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Reminds of one of the stories I heard when I was seeking from a guy I worked with. Very nice man. I had asked him why he was a Christian. He told me that one day he was in his room and the whole room began to shine with a very bright light and he was forced to rise up into a sitting postion and bow and the words, "Jesus Christ is Kings of Kings and Lord of Lords," came out of his mouth. He said it wasn't him speaking, but the holy spirit. FOr the words just came out of his mouth and he didn't know why. He later read that scripture and understood what it meant.
 
Jay Cartwright said:
Evolution's answer to that is that the transition stages have died off leaving us with the fittest of each group stage and that we are in fact evolving all the time but as this happens over the course of millions of years we cannot observe it.

Your right there isn't any solid fossil evidence to back up evolution, that's why it's just a theory.
I've been through this before
and there is a focusing on the word "theory" that is incorrect

"biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution."

"In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory."

"Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred."

"In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution."

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
 
Scotsman said:
Debating with these people is like teaching a pig to sing all you do is waste your time and annoy the pig. You can't argue with people who rely on blind faith to guide them instead of trying to see other points of view. As a Geologist/paleontologist I can't agree with you more from all the evidence I have seen/studied.

Cheers,
Scotsman
"There are readers of these newsgroups who reject evolution for religious reasons. In general these readers oppose both the fact of evolution and theories of mechanisms, although some anti-evolutionists have come to realize that there is a difference between the two concepts. That is why we see some leading anti-evolutionists admitting to the fact of "microevolution"--they know that evolution can be demonstrated. These readers will not be convinced of the "facthood" of (macro)evolution by any logical argument and it is a waste of time to make the attempt. The best that we can hope for is that they understand the argument that they oppose. Even this simple hope is rarely fulfilled."
 
StickFigure said:
Same way i explain evolution and big bang theories.....they're a farce.

unless you are a geologist/biologist/scientist with a phd, then you really have no creditentials to denounce these theories...
 
This post cracked me up. Ok, we have to believe God made everything in order to see your point of view, but you are saying if you look at how carbon dating works, we would laugh at how rediculous it is?


StickFigure said:
Well if you don't believe in God and creation, it'll be hard for you to digest.
You must take into account the fact that God made the mountains. The great flood (Noah's Ark) created many of the valleys and canyons in a very short time. Any growth of the mountains or erosion of valleys and canyons that now occur is simply the natural process. That's why all these dating methods are a joke, because their foundation is based on how things work in the present day.

Seriously, if you really want to know the facts, you need to get a hold of his video series. If you're worried about the price, you can order them watch them copy them and return them for your money back. He has no problem with that. He just wants to get the truth into peoples hands.
 
Cyborgs/robots would not surprise me within 20 years or less.

What nation would be really good at manufacturing millions at low cost.

That nation will rule.

Weapons like planes and tanks would be cheaper because pilot/crew safety is not an issue.


No idea why I like to contemplate nasty scenarios.

Perhaps because so few do?
 
4everhung said:
I've been through this before
and there is a focusing on the word "theory" that is incorrect

"biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution."

"In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory."

"Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred."

"In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution."

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
fact (Collins dictionary definition) – 1 event or thing known to have happened or existed. 2 provable truth.

Whether or not ‘evolution’ fits that definition is a matter of opinion. Science or Philosophy?

IMO Darwin’s theory of evolution is exactly that.....a theory, with little in the way of hard scientific evidence to back it up. The Origin of Species is an argument for evolution, that's all.
 
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