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BD Proviron vs Schering

I have used both and did NOT have a good result from BD. I read that BD is a good company, but for whatever reason my result was terrible. Maybe a bad batch? Maybe they under dose? Maybe they can't do Proviron? I don't know, but Schering 100mg a day shreds me, the BD did nothing.
 
If pharm grade is available then go for that. If not then BD is my second choice.

Never tried their proviron though as the Scherring has never been hard to get

Wrongun!
 
macrophage69alpha said:
quality is going to be comparable

I wouldn't compare UG grade products with pharm. grade products, as I couldn't say it's comparable.

Schering would be better quality.
 
Mr.X said:
I wouldn't compare UG grade products with pharm. grade products, as I couldn't say it's comparable.

Schering would be better quality.

the raw materials that BD uses are the same as many of the pharm companies use. China is one of the main suppliers of steroids to the world pharmaceutical market.

even if the final product is made elsewhere, much of the raw hormone comes from china.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
the raw materials that BD uses are the same as many of the pharm companies use. China is one of the main suppliers of steroids to the world pharmaceutical market.

even if the final product is made elsewhere, much of the raw hormone comes from china.

That's making a big leap in judgement. Not all pharmaceutical companies use chinese raws; in fact, the majority like schering use European manufacturers.

The fact that BD gets powders in china, says absolutely nothing about it's quality when compared to pharmaceutical grade products. No matter what, BD will always be a UG with nice labels and pretty holograms. Today their batches test good, tomorrow they are mislabeled and contain oil only - that's how UGs are, they are not consistent.
 
Gotta agree with Mr.X
Giants like Organon use Akzo Nobel raw materials :) Companies like Schering make their own raw material. maybe not for all drugs but for most of them.
 
Retabolil2 said:
Gotta agree with Mr.X
Giants like Organon use Akzo Nobel raw materials :) Companies like Schering make their own raw material. maybe not for all drugs but for most of them.


someone is a bit biased by their locality- in which case its true. elsewhere organon uses chinese base material. Schering outsources, all the big pharmas do. In europe and the former soviets the use of chinese material is less frequent, for a # of reasons. including the fact that eastern block production costs are comparable.

though agree that generally with big pharma (locally produced or not) you are going to have a "assurance" though that assurance still has a 20% margin (10% in some countries and generally if produced for export).
 
Mr.X said:
The fact that BD gets powders in china, says absolutely nothing about it's quality when compared to pharmaceutical grade products.

the issue here is tabs, and raw material is what matters (along with basic tableting technology). Unless you can point to tests that show their quality to be other than claimed....
 
thanks for the input, I think schering/human grade wins as usual.

on BD quality and results, they've been inconsistent in my personal experience - sometimes as good as any human grade, sometimes not so good.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
the issue here is tabs, and raw material is what matters (along with basic tableting technology). Unless you can point to tests that show their quality to be other than claimed....


Actually, 1 key word that I didn't put in that sentence:

Mr.X said:
The fact that BD gets powders in china, says absolutely nothing GOOD about it's quality when compared to pharmaceutical grade products.

BD will always be a UG lab without a license to manufacture AS. They don't have their own regulated labs or facilities. No matter how you slice it, it will always be a UG with nice labels and pretty holograms. I wouldn't compare a UG to pharmaceutical grade products. This is not to say that BD is "bad," all that's being said is that it's a UG.
 
Mr.X said:
Actually, 1 key word that I didn't put in that sentence:



BD will always be a UG lab without a license to manufacture AS. They don't have their own regulated labs or facilities.

Now you`re wrong big time bro :) Its just a questions of time till they get license.
 
Retabolil2 said:
Now you`re wrong big time bro :) Its just a questions of time till they get license.

When they get one, we wont be having this conversation because they will not be a UG.
 
mikevegas said:
I have used both and did NOT have a good result from BD. I read that BD is a good company, but for whatever reason my result was terrible. Maybe a bad batch? Maybe they under dose? Maybe they can't do Proviron? I don't know, but Schering 100mg a day shreds me, the BD did nothing.

Same here. I like BD, but those blue 50mg provirons sucked.


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