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Back in the Game( Cycle help) Game has changed

Gymhero24

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age 24, male
I am 6'1'' 234lbs and about 17% bf
I want to be able to do a cutting cycle

history on me

I have done cycles in the past such as a superdrol cycle, test c& deca and a sustanon 250 cycle. I have been out of the AAS game a while and I have been natural for about 2 years. Yes I know I started prohormones/AAs very young, but I do have about 7 years weightlifting and experience with the Juice. Now reading over these forums it seems like a lot has changed. I mean a lot. It used to be when you you do a cycle that all you needed was nolva and a ai like A.dex to help with gyno or bloat. Now when I read posts it seems like you have to have everything in the sun, which is fine but I do have a few questions. I notice there was product called Forma Stanzol which is like your AI like a.dex and aromasin. If you are running this product as a AI why do you need a.dex if this is suppost do the same thing. I just notice as I look over a few cycles that a lot of people were running both forma and A.dex... another question is the next product called HCGenerate, which to me sounds and does the same thing HCG does as far as starting the production of test back in the testes, so why do people run both? I'm sorry but I have been out of the AAS game a while, and I do my research when it comes to cycles.

I am currently doing Kris Gethrin 12 week transformation from bb.com. and want to be able to start another cycle in March. I want to lean more towards a cutting agent such as sustanon, wintsrol and maybe something to jump start the cycle, but no dbol because I want to cut because of the wedding in october.

My proposed cycle

sustanon 300 eod 1-12 weeks
winny tabs 9-12 weeks 50mg
HCG 200iu 2x week 3-12weeks
i want to be able to do something on the front end to kind of kick start sustanon but don't really need to because of the test pro ester. I was making thinking T3 but don't really know to much about it or maybe winny for the first 4 weeks as well.

PCT:
Unleashed/post cycle
nolva
forma on hand(not really prone to gyno) but will use during cycle to combat sides
also when i take winstrol, i will be taking N2 Guard

how does that look, this is what I came up with after getting back into the game after 2 years off from juice. I've still been working out but just not juicing

Thanks for your help
 
1200 mgs of test a week is riduculous, only need 750 max! And i wouldnt be pinning eod other


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sorry I forgot to clarify that I would do .5cc eod, so I wouldn't be doing a whole cc eod

How does everything else.. looking for advice for another go after 2 years
 
um i agree hydez27....If you dont plan on stepping on stage 1200 is wayyyyy too much bro... i agree with the max of 750 absolutely......hows your diet and training?..and what are you specific goals??? oh and if u wanna keep your thyroid in tact stay away from t3!!!
 
um i agree hydez27....If you dont plan on stepping on stage 1200 is wayyyyy too much bro... i agree with the max of 750 absolutely......hows your diet and training?..and what are you specific goals??? oh and if u wanna keep your thyroid in tact stay away from t3!!!

I thinka lot of people have stepped on the stage at doses way under a gram.... me and my buddy have both been on stage under 500 mg of test... Megadosing is for losers that cant hack it bro!!!
 
what i meant was if he doesnt plan on taking on jay cutler this weekend he shouldnt even be thinking about those dosages....but yes i agree with you 100 percent!!!
 
um i agree hydez27....If you dont plan on stepping on stage 1200 is wayyyyy too much bro... i agree with the max of 750 absolutely......hows your diet and training?..and what are you specific goals??? oh and if u wanna keep your thyroid in tact stay away from t3!!!


training I will be doing one body part per week
diet is 6 meals a day, 2500calories, 220 protein, 85g fat 208 grams of carbs

I want to lean out because of the wedding in oct... want to get down to 215 with about 10% bf
 
training I will be doing one body part per week
diet is 6 meals a day, 2500calories, 220 protein, 85g fat 208 grams of carbs

I want to lean out because of the wedding in oct... want to get down to 215 with about 10% bf

I would be eating a little more.

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I know exactly how you feel, I was out for a long long time too. Adex was in use back then. As far as your question about taking adex w/forma; I think forma is a bit milder with less side effects than Adex. I am saying this from what I read and from current experience. Adex is what can be used when you're getting close to (or are already showing signs of) gyno (although everyone seems to stick to Letro today).

Either way, forma is good to keep estrogen in check without completely shutting down the estrogen. Think of doing test without having moon face, but still having the sex drive. Adex can eliminate the water retention of excess aromatizable androgens, but the cost is generally in sex drive. Forma is milder and for that reason, more suited to a general cycle.

Additionally, it has a mild anabolic effect too, which can never hurt.

As for the T3 or T4, I would avoid them. They give a lot of folks arrythmias. But then again, you're going to a wedding and that can also give arrythmias, especially if you're the one paying for the wedding:)

Good Luck!

-SWOLNUTZ
 
Thanks for the response , it seems like forma it is. What about hcgenerate in relation to hcg ?

I read one of Nelson Montana's posts about the effect of taking HCGenerate. He had a blood test done at the doctor and they said his "free test" was really high. That's one of the things HCGenerate does, is to bind to sex hormone binding globulin and thus more free test circulates in your system. That's just one of the ingredients. And there are studies to back that up. I can't tell you how the other ingredients work as I haven't read up on them much.

On the other hand, I have a lot of experience with HCG and it's effective.

Bump for one of the sponsors that might explain HCGenerate as a post cycle therapy.
 
I believe the free test post Nelson had was in regards to unleashed not hcgenerate.. don't get me wrong, I use hcgenerate all the time and it is awesome..but that thread was def about unleashed binding to shbg and freeing up test..hcgenerate was made as on cycle support to keep your nuts plump, help with recovering, and help with your libido...
 
Run winny the last 5 weeks .3 weeks is to short for me.Besides that, cylce is fine.
 
I believe the free test post Nelson had was in regards to unleashed not hcgenerate.. don't get me wrong, I use hcgenerate all the time and it is awesome..but that thread was def about unleashed binding to shbg and freeing up test..hcgenerate was made as on cycle support to keep your nuts plump, help with recovering, and help with your libido...

I'm not sure if I've seen the article but HCGenerate also lowers SHBG.
 
I'm not sure if I've seen the article but HCGenerate also lowers SHBG.

HCGenerate has got all the basis covered, it lowers shgb, increases free test, stimulates LH and stimulates the leydig cells
 
I haven't pinned over 2 years so I think I want to start off with a long ester like test cyp for 12 weeks, I even thought of maybe putting another compound like eq or masteron. I want something to kick start the cycle however because I know eq and test won't kick in till later
 
You relize the point of a cutting cycle is to actually see the striation... Diet is gonna dictate you losing weight bro, not gear.... gear is the last factor when you need to get ready for a show or get bigger, thats it... Your not gonna drop in to the single digits in 16 weeks, relistically, because your shooting sust. Winny doesnt make you lose weight, it hardens and defines muscle... you can define muscle if you cant see it is all i saying.... BTW, who the hell cuts on 1200 mg of test a week anyways???? lol
 
The sustanon would be .50cc eod as I stated earlier. I know that fat loss comes down to diet, and what macros you are taking in. I was just referring I wanted to do a cutting cycle because you do know you could go for bulk or cut depending on how diet and everything else falls into place
 
Very correct sir.. No i didnt read .5 EOD 600 is still alot too bro... You should tame it down on carb deficit... Your trying to maintain, not build muscle..
 
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