Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below hey all, just thought id post about my b5 and acne experience. last year i broke out terribly both during and post cycle. i wasnt sure i was going to do gear again i got it so bad. how silly i was to think that, how can i say no to something as lovely as juice? this time,after reading up on acne, i started a harsher cycle(dbol, sus, deca, primo), i took 5gms b5 per day halfway thru the course, and then for the remainder of the cycle. will keep taking a maintainence dose of 3gms/day when i come off. i could only find 100mg tabs. that means about 50 a day! finally came across 500mg tabs, phew! i would have gotten alot of acne by now, my skin looks great. within days of taking it my skin was alot less oily. within a week any acne i had just up and left! pores are alot smaller too. i looked up alot of sites for info on pantothenate acid(b5). not just steroid sites. alot of acne-based message boards have alot of posts on it. apparently it works for about 95% of patients. lots of mothers writing in saying how great its been for their teenage kids fucked up skin, and how their kids were on accutane and other chemical nasties which had no effect. apparently you can take stupid amounts of b5 with no adverse affects. suggest taking multi-b vitamins with it. lots of posts on how it works too(hormone imbalances, puberty etc, very similar to what we do when loading ourselves with test). good reading. b5? i swear by it... if you get acne during or post cycle, its a fucking miracle... b5, i think i love you...
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Pantothenic Acid
Also indexed as: Calcium Pantothenate, Pantethine, Vitamin B5
How does it work?
Pantothenic acid, sometimes called vitamin B5, is involved in the Kreb’s cycle of energy production and is needed to make the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. It is also essential in producing, transporting, and releasing energy from fats. Synthesis of cholesterol (needed to manufacture vitamin D and steroid hormones) depends on pantothenic acid. Pantothenic acid also activates the adrenal glands. Pantethine–a byproduct of pantothenic acid–has been reported to lower blood levels of cholesterol and triglycerides.
Key uses for pantothenic acid
High cholesterol: The pantethine form of vitamin B5, in amounts of 300 mg two to four times per day, has been shown to significantly lower serum cholesterol levels and to increase HDL (“good”) cholesterol.
High triglycerides: Several studies have shown that 300 mg of the pantethine form of vitamin B5 taken three times per day will lower triglyceride levels.
Pantothenic acid itself does not appear to affect cholesterol or triglyceride levels.
Other potential uses for pantothenic acid
Rheumatoid arthritis (RA): Research suggests that people with RA may be partially deficient in pantothenic acid. In one placebo-controlled trial, people with RA had less morning stiffness, disability, and pain when they took 2,000 mg of pantothenic acid per day. Many doctors recommend pantothenic acid (sometimes in lower amounts, such as 500–1,000 mg per day) for people with RA.
Acne: In a preliminary study using pantothenic acid, people with acne were given 2.5 grams of pantothenic acid four times per day (a total of 10 grams per day)–a remarkably high amount. A cream containing 20% pantothenic acid was also applied topically four to six times per day. With moderate acne, near-complete relief was seen within two months, but severe acne took at least six months to respond. Eventually, the intake of pantothenic acid was reduced to 1–5 grams per day–still a very high amount.
Athletic performance: B-complex vitamins are important for athletes, because they are needed to produce energy from carbohydrates. Exercisers may have slightly increased requirements for some of the B vitamins, including vitamin B2, vitamin B6, and pantothenic acid. Athletic performance can suffer if these slightly increased needs are not met. However, most athletes obtain enough B vitamins from their diet without supplementation.
Allergic rhinitis: In a preliminary trial, supplementation with 250 mg of pantothenic acid two times a day was shown to help most patients suffering from allergic rhinitis.
Where is it found?
Liver, yeast, and salmon have high concentrations of pantothenic acid.
Most other foods, including vegetables, dairy, eggs, grains, and meat provide some pantothenic acid.
How much is usually taken?
Most people do not need to supplement with pantothenic acid. However, the 10–25 mg found in many multivitamin supplements might improve pantothenic acid status, as so-called primitive human diets provided greater amounts of this nutrient than are found in modern diets.
Most cholesterol researchers using pantethine have given people 300 mg three times per day (for a total of 900 mg per day).
Are there any side effects or precautions?
No serious side effects have been reported, even at intakes up to 10,000 mg (10 grams) per day.
Very large amounts of pantothenic acid (several grams per day) can cause diarrhea.
Potential adverse drug interactions
None reported
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im just looking for the one i read first, evasive little fucker...keep you posted.
Pantothenic Acid
Also indexed as: Calcium Pantothenate, Pantethine, Vitamin B5
How does it work?
Pantothenic acid, sometimes called vitamin B5, is involved in the Kreb’s cycle of energy production and is needed to make the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. It is also essential in producing, transporting, and releasing energy from fats. Synthesis of cholesterol (needed to manufacture vitamin D and steroid hormones) depends on pantothenic acid. Pantothenic acid also activates the adrenal glands. Pantethine–a byproduct of pantothenic acid–has been reported to lower blood levels of cholesterol and triglycerides.
Key uses for pantothenic acid
High cholesterol: The pantethine form of vitamin B5, in amounts of 300 mg two to four times per day, has been shown to significantly lower serum cholesterol levels and to increase HDL (“good”) cholesterol.
High triglycerides: Several studies have shown that 300 mg of the pantethine form of vitamin B5 taken three times per day will lower triglyceride levels.
Pantothenic acid itself does not appear to affect cholesterol or triglyceride levels.
Other potential uses for pantothenic acid
Rheumatoid arthritis (RA): Research suggests that people with RA may be partially deficient in pantothenic acid. In one placebo-controlled trial, people with RA had less morning stiffness, disability, and pain when they took 2,000 mg of pantothenic acid per day. Many doctors recommend pantothenic acid (sometimes in lower amounts, such as 500–1,000 mg per day) for people with RA.
Acne: In a preliminary study using pantothenic acid, people with acne were given 2.5 grams of pantothenic acid four times per day (a total of 10 grams per day)–a remarkably high amount. A cream containing 20% pantothenic acid was also applied topically four to six times per day. With moderate acne, near-complete relief was seen within two months, but severe acne took at least six months to respond. Eventually, the intake of pantothenic acid was reduced to 1–5 grams per day–still a very high amount.
Athletic performance: B-complex vitamins are important for athletes, because they are needed to produce energy from carbohydrates. Exercisers may have slightly increased requirements for some of the B vitamins, including vitamin B2, vitamin B6, and pantothenic acid. Athletic performance can suffer if these slightly increased needs are not met. However, most athletes obtain enough B vitamins from their diet without supplementation.
Allergic rhinitis: In a preliminary trial, supplementation with 250 mg of pantothenic acid two times a day was shown to help most patients suffering from allergic rhinitis.
Where is it found?
Liver, yeast, and salmon have high concentrations of pantothenic acid.
Most other foods, including vegetables, dairy, eggs, grains, and meat provide some pantothenic acid.
How much is usually taken?
Most people do not need to supplement with pantothenic acid. However, the 10–25 mg found in many multivitamin supplements might improve pantothenic acid status, as so-called primitive human diets provided greater amounts of this nutrient than are found in modern diets.
Most cholesterol researchers using pantethine have given people 300 mg three times per day (for a total of 900 mg per day).
Are there any side effects or precautions?
No serious side effects have been reported, even at intakes up to 10,000 mg (10 grams) per day.
Very large amounts of pantothenic acid (several grams per day) can cause diarrhea.
Potential adverse drug interactions
None reported
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Copyright © 2000 Healthnotes, Inc. All rights reserved. www.healthnotes.com
im just looking for the one i read first, evasive little fucker...keep you posted.
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Dai Kaioushin
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Good to hear your acne problems seem to disappear 
I'll give this b5 a try!
I'll give this b5 a try!heres one of the message boards...
http://absoluteacneinfo.com/cgi-bin...ad_count&om=1560&forum=DCForumID1&archive=yes
this board has alot of people talking about the doses, effects and success of b5...
http://absoluteacneinfo.com/cgi-bin...ad_count&om=1560&forum=DCForumID1&archive=yes
this board has alot of people talking about the doses, effects and success of b5...
dr leungs findings....
Take 5g a day, then to maintain clear skin take 3 grams a day.
Pantothenic Acid = B5
The Effect of Pantothenic Acid on Acne Vulgaris
One hundred patients were included in the study, 45 males and 55 females. The age ranged from 10 to 30, and with about 80% between 13 and 23. The severity of the disease process varied. They were given 10 grams of pantothenic acid a day in four divided doses. To enhance
the effect, the patients were also asked to apply a cream consisting of 20% by weight of pantothenic acid to the affected area, four to six tines a day.
With this treatment regimen, the response is as prompt as it is impressive. There is a noticeable decrease in sebum secretion on the face usually 2-3 days after initiation of therapy. The face becomes less oily. After two weeks, existing lesions start to regress while the rate of eruption of new acne lesions begins to slow down. In cases with moderate severity, the condition is normally in complete control in about eight weeks, with most of the lesions gone and new lesions only to erupt occasionally. In those patients with severe acne lesions, complete control may take months, sometimes up to six months or longer. In some of these cases, in order to get a more immediate response, it may even be necessary to step up the dose to 15-20 grams a day. In any event, the improvement is normally a gradual and steady process, with perhaps minor interruptions by premenstrual flare or excessive intakes of oily food. With this form of treatment, another striking feature is the size of the facial skin pore.
The pore size becomes noticeably smaller within one to two weeks, very often much sooner. Like sebum excretion, the pores will continue to shrink until the skin becomes much finer, giving the patient a much more beautiful skin.
This decrease in skin pore size is presumably related to sebum excretion. When an acne lesion is formed, there is in the epithelial cell of the hair follicle an accumulation of lipids, leaving the epithelial cells bulky and the lumen of the gland narrowed. When there is a concomitant increase in sebum flow, the follicle has no choice but to hypertrophy to accommodate the changes, resulting in an enlarged skin pore and coarse skin. With the administration of pantothenic acid, the whole process is reversed. Lipid metabolism becomes normal and efficient. The epithelium is no longer laden with fat droplets,
there is a decrease in sebum excretion, the hypertrophy process is not required. The skin pores revert to a much smaller size and the skin becomes smooth and fine.
As acne lesions tend to subside spontaneously after puberty, some patients do not need a maintenance dose. But, if a patient is in his mid-teens, when the sexual characteristics have yet to fully develop, it may be necessary for replacement therapy to be implemented. This maintenance dose, can be lowered, or increased with the clinical symptoms. A maintenance dose will not only act as a preventive measure against sporadic eruption, but the extra pantothenic acid will help to ease the relative deficiency state, and likely improve the general health of the patient.
the guy that did this study is dr L.H Leung...
Take 5g a day, then to maintain clear skin take 3 grams a day.
Pantothenic Acid = B5
The Effect of Pantothenic Acid on Acne Vulgaris
One hundred patients were included in the study, 45 males and 55 females. The age ranged from 10 to 30, and with about 80% between 13 and 23. The severity of the disease process varied. They were given 10 grams of pantothenic acid a day in four divided doses. To enhance
the effect, the patients were also asked to apply a cream consisting of 20% by weight of pantothenic acid to the affected area, four to six tines a day.
With this treatment regimen, the response is as prompt as it is impressive. There is a noticeable decrease in sebum secretion on the face usually 2-3 days after initiation of therapy. The face becomes less oily. After two weeks, existing lesions start to regress while the rate of eruption of new acne lesions begins to slow down. In cases with moderate severity, the condition is normally in complete control in about eight weeks, with most of the lesions gone and new lesions only to erupt occasionally. In those patients with severe acne lesions, complete control may take months, sometimes up to six months or longer. In some of these cases, in order to get a more immediate response, it may even be necessary to step up the dose to 15-20 grams a day. In any event, the improvement is normally a gradual and steady process, with perhaps minor interruptions by premenstrual flare or excessive intakes of oily food. With this form of treatment, another striking feature is the size of the facial skin pore.
The pore size becomes noticeably smaller within one to two weeks, very often much sooner. Like sebum excretion, the pores will continue to shrink until the skin becomes much finer, giving the patient a much more beautiful skin.
This decrease in skin pore size is presumably related to sebum excretion. When an acne lesion is formed, there is in the epithelial cell of the hair follicle an accumulation of lipids, leaving the epithelial cells bulky and the lumen of the gland narrowed. When there is a concomitant increase in sebum flow, the follicle has no choice but to hypertrophy to accommodate the changes, resulting in an enlarged skin pore and coarse skin. With the administration of pantothenic acid, the whole process is reversed. Lipid metabolism becomes normal and efficient. The epithelium is no longer laden with fat droplets,
there is a decrease in sebum excretion, the hypertrophy process is not required. The skin pores revert to a much smaller size and the skin becomes smooth and fine.
As acne lesions tend to subside spontaneously after puberty, some patients do not need a maintenance dose. But, if a patient is in his mid-teens, when the sexual characteristics have yet to fully develop, it may be necessary for replacement therapy to be implemented. This maintenance dose, can be lowered, or increased with the clinical symptoms. A maintenance dose will not only act as a preventive measure against sporadic eruption, but the extra pantothenic acid will help to ease the relative deficiency state, and likely improve the general health of the patient.
the guy that did this study is dr L.H Leung...
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www.beyond-a-century.com You can buy b-5 in the powder form here. The taste is pretty brutal so I use ruby red grapefruit juice---works great.
LargeNCharge
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You can also go to www.vitaminshoppe.com. There is a version of the stuff made by Kal Labratories that is 1 gram/pill. Just do a search "pantothenic acid" and it should come up. Oh yeah, the shit works miracles! I tried everything and this works even better than the prescription meds that I was given because it doesn't dry you out so bad that your skin looks like an alligator.
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musclebones
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IMO pantothenitic acid is a miracle worker compared to all those harsh skin creams. Do it with a lil salycilic acid on your face (feels good) and you should be golden.
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