Awesome thread on cleans . . . force, speed, strength, etc.

[Protobuilder]

I'm not trying to promote another website, but this thread is topnotch, IMO.

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=972974

Some smart guys (as far as I can tell) are discussing cleans/power cleans, rate of force development, max strength, CNS, etc. Should be interesting to a good number of us here.

 

[Introspective]

I saw this quote from another site

looking good mate, u were saying about olympic lifters being powerful but heres two more facts u might like! this is proven and was done a few olympics back. over 10m an olmypic weight lifter is faster than any sprinter (explosive leg power) and also from standstill an olympic lifter can jump higher than any high jumper.

 

[vin01]

nice link. good stuff.

 

[Protobuilder]

Bump for BiggT.

 

[silver_shadow]

Bump for BiggT.

sigh... we can't bump for BiggT AND madcow anymore.

 

[Protobuilder]

Wha? BiggT is still around, right?

 

[silver_shadow]

Wha? BiggT is still around, right?

yes he is... you misunderstood. earlier we'd say "bump for biggt and madcow". now we can only say "bump for biggt"

 

[Protobuilder]

Ohhhhh. Got it. I watched a lot of Channel 1 as a child.

 

[silver_shadow]

Ohhhhh. Got it. I watched a lot of Channel 1 as a child.

lol

 

[mojaz87]

What they are referring to is also mentioned by Dr. "Squat" Hatfield with regards to the explosiveness of oly lifters. In one of his articles, Dr. Squat writes,

"Pound for pound, Olympic weightlifters have a greater level of speed-strength than any other class of athletes in all of sport. This fact was made very clear during a massive scientific expedition carried out on the athletes at the Mexico City Olympics in 1964. Sports scientists found that Olympic lifters were able to both vertical jump higher than any class of athletes (including the high jumpers), and run a 25 yard dash faster than any class of athletes (including the sprinters)."

I am of the opinion that olympic lifters are very gifted athletes and definitely underestimated among athletes of other sports. However, this study was done in 1964 and I think a lot has changed since then. For one, sports have become much more specialized, and we do not see as many athletes who can excel at different sports on the professional level (e.g. Bo Jackson). Therefore, I am not sure I believe that today's olympic lifters could defeat top sprinters in a race. It's not out of the realm of possibility, but I think it's somewhat unlikely.

 

[Introspective]

I am of the opinion that olympic lifters are very gifted athletes and definitely underestimated among athletes of other sports. However, this study was done in 1964 and I think a lot has changed since then. For one, sports have become much more specialized, and we do not see as many athletes who can excel at different sports on the professional level (e.g. Bo Jackson). Therefore, I am not sure I believe that today's olympic lifters could defeat top sprinters in a race. It's not out of the realm of possibility, but I think it's somewhat unlikely.

Interesting, who is this Dr Squat ? this ^ is hardley a scientific reason for his beliefs.


I got these quotes from sites i found searching google.

On July 15, 1960 in Saskatoon Harry Jerome set the world record of 10.0 seconds in the 100 metres. The Current world record is 9.77 seconds.

Valeriy Brumel The elegant Soviet jumper radically sped up his approach run, took the record up to 2.28 m (7'5-3/4"), and won the Olympic gold medal in 1964, before a motorcycle accident foreshortened his career.

The current men's world record of 2.45 m (8'0-1/2") was set in 1993 by Cuba's Javier Sotomayor.

 

[Illuminati]

yes he is... you misunderstood. earlier we'd say "bump for biggt and madcow". now we can only say "bump for biggt"

been away for a while. What happened to Madcow?

 

[mojaz87]

Interesting, who is this Dr Squat ? this ^ is hardley a scientific reason for his beliefs.


I got these quotes from sites i found searching google.

On July 15, 1960 in Saskatoon Harry Jerome set the world record of 10.0 seconds in the 100 metres. The Current world record is 9.77 seconds.

Valeriy Brumel The elegant Soviet jumper radically sped up his approach run, took the record up to 2.28 m (7'5-3/4"), and won the Olympic gold medal in 1964, before a motorcycle accident foreshortened his career.

The current men's world record of 2.45 m (8'0-1/2") was set in 1993 by Cuba's Javier Sotomayor.

Dr. Squat is Dr. Fred Hatfield i believe and if I am correct, he is a PhD. in sports science, etc. He is very well known for his articles and is among the most respected strength coaches from what I hear. Like you, I hadn't heard much about him, but search him on google and I think you'll find a lot. I think Madcow2 even refers to Dr. Squat on his geocities 5x5 page. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at Introspective...I believe the study in 1964 was conducted AT the olympic games, but unofficially. Dr. Squat's point in his article was that olympic lifters are very good athletes contrary to the beliefs of some and that athletes of other sports have much to gain from the olympic lifts.

 

[Introspective]

been away for a while. What happened to Madcow?

We think he left :-(
Read up http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/index.htm