Avoid bloat while on test?

[Roatan]

Let's say someone is running a 10-wk cycle of testosterone, for example, Sus250. Peak dosage may reach 1000 mg/wk. Now, let' say this guy is running femara at the same time.

Question #1: Is Fem enough to prevent bloat even at these high dosages of testosterone?

Question #2: How much Fem does this guy need each day?

My theory is that at a certain dosage of Fem, aromatase is blocked, PERIOD. So no bloat no matter what crazy dosage of test is administered. Anyone disagree? Any input on Fem dosage is appreciated too.

Thanks bros.

Roatan


DISCLAIMER: Roatan is a fictional character for role-playing purposes only. Yes, he may be 350 lbs of hulking muscle ready to rip at a moment's notice but he would never condone the use of illegal substances. END DISCLAIMER

 

[silverbackn]

Yes, femara will be enough to stop bloat. I just use l-dex at .5mg ed and I'm on a gram of test, not holding any noticeable bloat.

 

[Falklands]

My friend brough some mad shit back from Thailand that's supposed to stop bloat. Some generic shit, but we'll try it out anyhow. I'll give it a shot and tell you in 10 weeks whether I'm A-OK, or look like I have enough water to fill the biggest resevoir in China!

 

[ricorico]

im not familiar with femara as ive never used it....another option "someone"(lol) has is to run 20 mgs nolva/ed throughout your cycle...and then again there is many other options...at 1000 mgs a week id be worried about acne as well..accutane can help this....

 

[Dieselgoku23]

I think Fem is wayyyyyyyy to strong and is also depends how you respond as far gyno is concern. What I did I used A dex for .5mg EOD and avoided eating things with lots of sodium. If I ate tuna which can have lots of sodium, I would leave it in fresh water for about 2 hours or so before I ate and will reduced the amount of sodium, also dont eat any processed hams etc...... shit is loaded with sodium!!

 

[silverbackn]

im not familiar with femara as ive never used it....another option "someone"(lol) has is to run 20 mgs nolva/ed throughout your cycle...and then again there is many other options...at 1000 mgs a week id be worried about acne as well..accutane can help this....

Nolva won't do anything for bloat, he will look like smokey the bear in 3 weeks.

 

[The Terminator]

For me Femara "helps" to control bloat, but by NO MEANS does it entirely prevent it
(and my doses are less than HALF what your "friend " is considering using...)

 

[silverbackn]

For me Femara "helps" to control bloat, but by NO MEANS does it entirely prevent it
(and my doses are less than HALF what your "friend " is considering using...)

Really? I have heard some respond well to femara while others don't. L-dex works great for me. I'm hitting a gram of test with .5mg ed and I'm not having any problems with bloat.

 

[The Terminator]

Really? I have heard some respond well to femara while others don't. L-dex works great for me. I'm hitting a gram of test with .5mg ed and I'm not having any problems with bloat.

I really only bloat in my face, but THAT looks bad, to me

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Let's say someone is running a 10-wk cycle of testosterone, for example, Sus250. Peak dosage may reach 1000 mg/wk. Now, let' say this guy is running femara at the same time.

Question #1: Is Fem enough to prevent bloat even at these high dosages of testosterone?

Question #2: How much Fem does this guy need each day?

My theory is that at a certain dosage of Fem, aromatase is blocked, PERIOD. So no bloat no matter what crazy dosage of test is administered. Anyone disagree? Any input on Fem dosage is appreciated too.

Thanks bros.

Roatan


DISCLAIMER: Roatan is a fictional character for role-playing purposes only. Yes, he may be 350 lbs of hulking muscle ready to rip at a moment's notice but he would never condone the use of illegal substances. END DISCLAIMER

Fem destroys your sex drive. Even on Testosterone. I mean DESTROYS it. So don't plan any dates or anything if you plan on taking it because your lady might be dissapointed...

 

[FlexManning]

I think Fem is wayyyyyyyy to strong and is also depends how you respond as far gyno is concern. What I did I used A dex for .5mg EOD and avoided eating things with lots of sodium. If I ate tuna which can have lots of sodium, I would leave it in fresh water for about 2 hours or so before I ate and will reduced the amount of sodium, also dont eat any processed hams etc...... shit is loaded with sodium!!

I agree that we have to watch out for sodium since it's skyhigh in many foods we don't suspect, but, I have to warn you guys that there are probably a lot of guys on this board who aren't even getting enough sodium. If you for instance work in a hot workplace and drink a lot of water and are on a diet, I'd be very cautious about dilluting electrolytes too much. There are actually some endurance athletes who have literally died simply from drinking too much water while they sweated out sodium.

I'm not saying this is common (dying), but with guys in here drinking 2 plus gallons of water a day and sweating a lot while watching sodium, it's very possible to cause weakness and dehydration, cramps, and things like poor creatine uptake. If we take this in while realizing the high blood pressure/ sodium relationship is probably overstated to some degree, I'd simply say sodium is less a concern than we traditionally give it credit. In fact I've seen at least one well known trainer in the mags recommend high sodium intake while dieting.

As to the question about bloat, I haven't tried Femara but again I have to state that I feel that nolva is best for pct and a-dex is best while on.

 

[coloradosteve]

ehh, I take 2.5 mg of femara every day and I still have a sex drive. At 3.75 I still have somewhat of a sex drive. I'm on 500mg of test E a week. Doesn't totally control bloat either. I started my cycle at about 12% bf and now it's god knows what (not good). Next cycle, no test.

 

[boyer]

Fem destroys your sex drive. Even on Testosterone. I mean DESTROYS it. So don't plan any dates or anything if you plan on taking it because your lady might be dissapointed...

I guess I better get better using my tongue

 

[b1ewsw32]

Fem destroys your sex drive. Even on Testosterone. I mean DESTROYS it. So don't plan any dates or anything if you plan on taking it because your lady might be dissapointed...

Exactly..Switch to [email protected]/day and incorporate Yohimburn for facial bloat.

B32

 

[Nighthawkk]

ehh, I take 2.5 mg of femara every day and I still have a sex drive. At 3.75 I still have somewhat of a sex drive. I'm on 500mg of test E a week. Doesn't totally control bloat either. I started my cycle at about 12% bf and now it's god knows what (not good). Next cycle, no test.

isn't that fem dose a bit extreme bro?

 

[silverbackn]

I really only bloat in my face, but THAT looks bad, to me

I totally agree! I would rather have some bloat on my body than on my mug, that shit looks rough.

 

[The Terminator]

I totally agree! I would rather have some bloat on my body than on my mug, that shit looks rough.

What good is having your body all shredded up if your face still looks like Tom Platz

 

[silverbackn]

What good is having your body all shredded up if your face still looks like Tom Platz

It seems like it's all that people notice, no one notices the improved physique, only the smokey the bear head. I was put on prednizone because I had ulcerative colitis. After that I put myself on a little test for that ass, my head blew the fuck up. My dad asked if it was from the prednizone in front of my family, I responded back, "no, it's from the test". They all knew though, I was open with my family about it. It was kind of funny looking back.

 

[wayneboard1]

so this bloat in the face thing...when does it start to appear and what doses usually show that side? Man, that side alone will make me not run a cycle, I frigin hate that and besides, my head already looks like a white bowling ball, I don't need any help making my "sputnik" any bigger.

 

[silverbackn]

Wayne, it won't be a problem for you. It's only if you are just running nolva with high doses of aromatizing drugs, or if you are very prone.

 

[The Terminator]

so this bloat in the face thing...when does it start to appear and what doses usually show that side? Man, that side alone will make me not run a cycle, I frigin hate that and besides, my head already looks like a white bowling ball, I don't need any help making my "sputnik" any bigger.

For me Deca is FAR WORSE at causing that bloated face look (another reason why I avoid it...)

 

[wayneboard1]

Wayne, it won't be a problem for you. It's only if you are just running nolva with high doses of aromatizing drugs, or if you are very prone.

Cool man thanks!

 

[ed2005]

What about running letrozole with your cycle? It's a research chem, easily available and has been shown to be effective at controlling bloat and minimizing estrogenic side effects.
Ed

 

[FlexManning]

For me Deca is FAR WORSE at causing that bloated face look (another reason why I avoid it...)

Bro, no offense but why in the world would deca bloat your face up significantly? It barely even aromatizes and when it does it mostly aromatizes into very weak estrogens. I know many drugs interact with prolactin and progesterone in ways that are poorly understood (like Anadrol) but deca has been known for decades to be very gentle in a variety of ways, and some say it is the gentlest of all steroids per pound of muscle gained.

 

[GH Head]

I am always amused at these posts - No such thing as no bloating. If it was true u wouldn't gain anything from AAS . You are going to get a little bloasted no matter what.
Femara will make you feel like a neutered little boy. No sex drive - as in none - DEAD!
Take a look at anyone during a cycle and post cycle. look at their face - huge difference. Juice heads fool themselves into believing that they aren't bloated. Bloating makes your face ugly -PERIOD!!!!
Want proof - take a picture during mid cycle and then take one 2 months after - compare - Voilah!! no more balloon head.
I have tried for 15 yrs to beat the bloating - sorry can't be done.
Unless -you are super strict with your dieting - no sodium and limited carbs - however once you start adding a little sodium - your body absorbs it like a sponge and you look worse. It is very unrealistic to avoid all sodium and nearly impossible. Even without adding it most foods have lots. Take a look at your egg whites.
Yes some people bloat less than others - but either accept it or don't take any pictures

 

[liquidmuscle]

Yes, femara will be enough to stop bloat. I just use l-dex at .5mg ed and I'm on a gram of test, not holding any noticeable bloat.

i bloat regardless..i have tried 1mg adex ed and i have tried eod it doesnt matter my neck gets so bloated i cant even button my top button when i wear my tie for work

 

[JKurz1]

has anyone heard of drinking viniegar for bloat?

 

[Roatan]

not until now but i'll try it !!!!

has anyone heard of drinking viniegar for bloat?

 

[Joe Stenson]

has anyone heard of drinking viniegar for bloat?

Vinegar acts as a nutrient partitioning agent like ALA (not sure if they work by the same mechanism or not, but the results are the same). I believe the standard protocol is something like 1 tbsp vinegar + 1 tbsp lemon juice with all high carb (and preferably low fat) meals.

This, however, only deals with the bloating some people get from eating high carbohydrate foods. It will do nothing for test bloat, especially if your sodium intake is still high.

 

[silverbackn]

I bloated like fucking crazy when I ran a gram of test and used just nolva with it. I'm using l-dex at .5mg ed right now and my face is still chiseled. I was lean when I started and have only put on about 5-7 pounds (I am pre-contest), I am definitely not rocking a bloated face.

 

[FlexManning]

I bloated like fucking crazy when I ran a gram of test and used just nolva with it. I'm using l-dex at .5mg ed right now and my face is still chiseled. I was lean when I started and have only put on about 5-7 pounds (I am pre-contest), I am definitely not rocking a bloated face.

Yeah, and like I was alluding to I did a gram + of test and bloated so badly people were noticing my eyes were swollen, then just added 1mg/day of a-dex and boom, some bloat may be there but there's a big difference between a little bloat and Chinese eyes on a caucasian.

A poster was alluding to there being no such thing as no bloat. Sure that's technically true in most cases, after all even a-dex only reduces aromatizaion by about 80%. But then again a-dex is effective enough that for some that will add up to almost no bloat. Also, since deca reduces natural test while aromatizing to mostly weak estrogens, the fact is that deca itself could on paper reduce bloat in an already puffy person if used in small dosages.

 

[silverbackn]

Flex, I totally agree. There is no such thing as no bloat. There is no such thing as 100% estrogen suppression. I saw a picture from when I was running a gram of test with just nolva, I look fucking horrible. I look like something from a Thanksgiving day parade. I will never go that route again. A little bloat I can deal with, when other people start commenting it's too much.

 

[Dial_tone]

I don't believe you have to elminate to keep bloat to non-noticeable levels. I went up to 750mg test for a maybe 4-6 weeks with 50 proviron and 40-60mg nolvadex and I looked fine. Neither my roommate or coworkers said a thing.

 

[silverbackn]

Dialtone, I agree with what you're saying about not having to completely halt estrogen to keep bloat to a minimal level. I think some people are just more sensitive to estrogen, something people often overlook is that they put on considerable bodyfat while their estrogen levels are elevated. It's not all just water.

 

[The Terminator]

Bro, no offense but why in the world would deca bloat your face up significantly? It barely even aromatizes and when it does it mostly aromatizes into very weak estrogens. I know many drugs interact with prolactin and progesterone in ways that are poorly understood (like Anadrol) but deca has been known for decades to be very gentle in a variety of ways, and some say it is the gentlest of all steroids per pound of muscle gained.

Barely armoztizes ? I think THAT is where your theory is flawed...

I think the problem with Deca is that most of its aromatization is NOT into estrogen. Therefore it is much harder to control the aromatization with just using AI's...(as they are not that effective for conversioon into progesterone...if "effective" at all )

For me Deca has been THE WORST Anabolic drug I have ever used (as far as the benefits to negative side effect ratio goes...)

 

[PussyWhipped]

deca (actually NPP) bloats up my face also.

when on hi test, if I stick with low carbs, I can usually avoid the helium head even without arimidex. with NPP, no matter what, after 3 or 4 weeks I bloat up.