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I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for your fucking bullshit post over at the defense forum. I can debate this with you all day here, the difference between use and abuse, but FUCK YOU for undermining what I was trying to say over there and saying what you did.
 
Bump for sinistar. An individual who doesnt use steroids, whines that he cant talk about recreational drugs on the anabolic forum because of how it attracts feds, then goes over to the defense forum and starts lecturing me on steroid use. Then he has the gall to blab about some guy who knows a guy who had prostate cancer at 30 ... when he really has no conclusive idea as to what the details were.... fucking moron.
 
There are many causes for prostrate cancer... it is only likely to occur from Steroid useage in adults of around 40 or older... at least that is what I have read in medical studies... that is where the real risk is...

IMO... rec drugs are COMPLETELY different than AS... rec drugs are mind altering, used for a quick fix and you have a harsh crash... with one dosage you could die... I've never known anyone to die from a shot of test... but I've seen plenty die from a snort of coke or some G mixed with alcohol.

AS are used to IMPROVE the athletic performance of individuals... rec drugs tear your body down...

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:
IMO... rec drugs are COMPLETELY different than AS... rec drugs are mind altering, used for a quick fix and you have a harsh crash... with one dosage you could die... I've never known anyone to die from a shot of test... but I've seen plenty die from a snort of coke or some G mixed with alcohol.
C-ditty
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You had to go and do it, didn't ya fucknut.

Sometimes, i think you are ok guy, but others a complete fucking moron.

1) STEROIDS ARE MIND ALTERING. They may not directly impact brain chemistry, but they alter hormone levels which do impact mood.

2) WITH ONE DOSAGE YOU COULD DIE? Assface, EVERYTHING has a lethal does. Some chemicals have lower LD50 levels than others. BUT, that means you have to research and understand what you are putting in your body, JUST LIKE AS.

3) QUICK FIX -> HARSH CRASH. Great, you obviously understand crack cocaine. Why not be more specific in you classifications? I can name DOZENS of rec drugs which do not fit this criteria.

And, frackal, I agreed not to post on rec. drugs, but if this buttfuck can ignorantly diss something, i sure as fuck can defend it.
 
lmao

so you PM me and open a thread? boy, you must love getting my attention.

heres a rundown of what was said. i said i never have, nor would i do riods do to what i have seen here. i mentioned about a post from here about a 27 year old with prostate cancer that spread, how he had done 10 or so cycles over the last 7 years. i said that steriod use is a mindset, and shouldnt be expected to understood by those outside the circle. i said steriods dont make you a badass.

frackal said, and the whole point of his dramatic thread, is that he was using steriods responsibly, and not abusing them. he also said he didnt think steriods should be controlled.

i agreed with the steriods not being controlled, as long as a doctor could oversee the cycle. you know, look out for funky shit and make blood tests mandatory. i dont see a problem there.

i then said that frack saying he didnt abuse steriods is such a lie that he should be ashamed. and it is. everyone on steriods for the purpose of builing there body is abusing them. are they abusing them to the point of ignorance? no. but abuse is abuse.

dont get me wrong, i cant tell you what to do with your body. if your on right now more power to you. i firmly believe in manifest destiny. there was and is no anti steriod preaching here.

and about my opposition to the rec drug discussion ban: i replied to the post which is over at the anabolic forum that frack made. go there and read it. he more or less admitted that the ban was because of law enforcmentand not on some kind of mral thing, which i respected. i made a few points which he said he saw where i was coming from and didnt disagree with but still was behind that ban. i then made one last post follow ing up on some topics i had mentioned and others brought up in the interim, and said that if i was the only one that felt this way, or near it, i would shut my mouth. after reviewing it, i saw that i was in a woeful minority, and have shut my mouth. im fine with that, as my opinion was heard and aknowledged.

i even told frack i respected him for letting discussion take place and having the guts to stand for something.. i wasnt bullshitting there. frack didnt fall back to name calling or any of the other shit he just pulled. and that says something: i gave a different and not opposing view of steriods, and frack is shitting his pants full. PM me calling me names and telling me to look for the post about me on the chatboard. then preceeds to shit again in the thread. why dont we stop the name calling bulshit, and then you can adress in a calm and reasoned manner your beef with me. im more than willing to listen, as i didnt know you had this throbbing hardon for me till just now.
 
I think ALL drugs should be legal including crack and heroin.

Regarding USE VS. ABUSE when it comes to steroids:I challenge anyone to logically show where the line between the two can be drawn.Use to one person is abuse to another.There really isn't a universal line between the two.ANY use carries a certain amount of risk.
 
Puc said:



You had to go and do it, didn't ya fucknut.

Sometimes, i think you are ok guy, but others a complete fucking moron.

1) STEROIDS ARE MIND ALTERING. They may not directly impact brain chemistry, but they alter hormone levels which do impact mood.

2) WITH ONE DOSAGE YOU COULD DIE? Assface, EVERYTHING has a lethal does. Some chemicals have lower LD50 levels than others. BUT, that means you have to research and understand what you are putting in your body, JUST LIKE AS.

3) QUICK FIX -> HARSH CRASH. Great, you obviously understand crack cocaine. Why not be more specific in you classifications? I can name DOZENS of rec drugs which do not fit this criteria.

And, frackal, I agreed not to post on rec. drugs, but if this buttfuck can ignorantly diss something, i sure as fuck can defend it.
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PuckNuts... we've danced this dance before, haven't we???

1. Steroids do not alter your MIND... mood, perhaps... MIND? I've never heard any stories about hallucinations or someone using sust not feeling any pain like a PCP user...

2. Hit, dose, rack it stack it anyway you like it. A girl at a club i worked at died 5 minutes after she came into the club... someone put G into her drink... she finished it, went into convulsions and died... I saw the "vial" he dumped into her drink... siimilar to vials other friends of mine would take in multiples of 10 in the same night.... Ass...

3. Crack, or cocaine... either one. One doesn't feel all that great after taking X either... Can't say there is a crash after taking G... heroin -- crash city... do I have to go into detail for you assface?

Now... I think I've stated before that a doctor will prescribe testosterone but will never prescribe cocaine??? All my friends who use coke, talk about how they remember that high and they want to get it back... it's not something they will actively hunt down, but if coke is sitting in front of them, they will go right for it.... wtf??? never had that happen with AS....

You want to take this argument to the next level??? Make a new thread about it....

C-ditty
 
Citrus,

I personally don't believe in chemical addiction. I think addiction is more a result of individual personality traits, than a chemical need for a particular drug.

Just as a cocaine or E user loves the high, so does a steroid user love the 'look' and strength increases that AAS will give. Both become a state of mind for the user, individual personality traits and strength of character will determine to what extent someone becomes a user or abuser.
 
Citruscide said:


PuckNuts... we've danced this dance before, haven't we???

1. Steroids do not alter your MIND... mood, perhaps... MIND? I've never heard any stories about hallucinations or someone using sust not feeling any pain like a PCP user...

2. Hit, dose, rack it stack it anyway you like it. A girl at a club i worked at died 5 minutes after she came into the club... someone put G into her drink... she finished it, went into convulsions and died... I saw the "vial" he dumped into her drink... siimilar to vials other friends of mine would take in multiples of 10 in the same night.... Ass...

3. Crack, or cocaine... either one. One doesn't feel all that great after taking X either... Can't say there is a crash after taking G... heroin -- crash city... do I have to go into detail for you assface?

Now... I think I've stated before that a doctor will prescribe testosterone but will never prescribe cocaine??? All my friends who use coke, talk about how they remember that high and they want to get it back... it's not something they will actively hunt down, but if coke is sitting in front of them, they will go right for it.... wtf??? never had that happen with AS....

You want to take this argument to the next level??? Make a new thread about it....

C-ditty
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THEN WHY THE FUCK DO YOU POST BLANKET, UNSUPPORTED STATEMENTS??

Basically, you just told me i was correct in my assertion. Not all drugs have a crash, yet you stated they did. YOU WERE WRONG.

The difference between MOOD and MIND is a worthless argument. Painkillers don't cause hallucinations, neither do a myriad of downers, amphetamines, etc. Once again a blanket, unsupported claim.

CITRUS -- answer me this question, how many people have you seen pull out a rediject and jam it in their ass in public? Recreational drugs are more likely to be done in public. Recreational drugs are more likely to be used by irresponsible people. But, you are demonizing the substance for the ignorance of the user. You are a fucking hypocrite. You chastise rec. drug users, while defending your AS use with the argument "they can be used safely, though not all do."

And NO, a doctor will not prescribe cocaine. I am going to keep repeating myself until this penetrates your fucking skull NOT ALL RECREATIONAL DRUGS ARE THE SAME Doctors will prescribe cannabis, they will prescribe uppers, downers, anti-depressants, amphetamines. They will not prescribe heroin, coke.
 
Puc said:


THEN WHY THE FUCK DO YOU POST BLANKET, UNSUPPORTED STATEMENTS??

Basically, you just told me i was correct in my assertion. Not all drugs have a crash, yet you stated they did. YOU WERE WRONG.

The difference between MOOD and MIND is a worthless argument. Painkillers don't cause hallucinations, neither do a myriad of downers, amphetamines, etc. Once again a blanket, unsupported claim.

CITRUS -- answer me this question, how many people have you seen pull out a rediject and jam it in their ass in public? Recreational drugs are more likely to be done in public. Recreational drugs are more likely to be used by irresponsible people. But, you are demonizing the substance for the ignorance of the user. You are a fucking hypocrite. You chastise rec. drug users, while defending your AS use with the argument "they can be used safely, though not all do."

And NO, a doctor will not prescribe cocaine. I am going to keep repeating myself until this penetrates your fucking skull NOT ALL RECREATIONAL DRUGS ARE THE SAME Doctors will prescribe cannabis, they will prescribe uppers, downers, anti-depressants, amphetamines. They will not prescribe heroin, coke.
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I usually make those blanket claims because I'm lazy.

Now listen up, you fuckstick of a muthershit...

I'm not sure WHAT rec drugs you have a problem with... but perhaps I should have SPECIFICALLY mentioned in my post WHICH rec drugs I have a problem with....

Cocaine (crack), Heroin, X, G, PCP, LSD ... probably a few more...

I don't think there are any serious health risks to marijuana smoking... if you want my honest opinion... I don't even think I'd be upset if anyone would be using it???

Come to think of it, I really don't think I'd give 3 shits if anyone used the drugs I have a problem with...

I also mistated myself on the cocaine thing... while it's not used as a prescription, it is used by doctors as a local anesthetic for some eye, ear, and throat surgeries.

Here we come back... FULL circle again... Yes. Yes I believe that rec drugs can be used without people dying. Yes, I believe that anabolics can be so horribly abused that people will suffer dire health effects. Yes. I believe that while steroids are used to enhance the athletic capacity of an individual, recreational drugs are used for the mere entertainment and offer no useful athletic enhancing effects.

So, the end result of THIS arugument is the same as it was before... I do think steroids, if misused are bad... same with rec drugs... I just feel that rec drugs are FAR less useful. Ass.

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:


I usually make those blanket claims because I'm lazy.

Now listen up, you fuckstick of a muthershit...

I'm not sure WHAT rec drugs you have a problem with... but perhaps I should have SPECIFICALLY mentioned in my post WHICH rec drugs I have a problem with....

Cocaine (crack), Heroin, X, G, PCP, LSD ... probably a few more...

I don't think there are any serious health risks to marijuana smoking... if you want my honest opinion... I don't even think I'd be upset if anyone would be using it???

Come to think of it, I really don't think I'd give 3 shits if anyone used the drugs I have a problem with...

I also mistated myself on the cocaine thing... while it's not used as a prescription, it is used by doctors as a local anesthetic for some eye, ear, and throat surgeries.

Here we come back... FULL circle again... Yes. Yes I believe that rec drugs can be used without people dying. Yes, I believe that anabolics can be so horribly abused that people will suffer dire health effects. Yes. I believe that while steroids are used to enhance the athletic capacity of an individual, recreational drugs are used for the mere entertainment and offer no useful athletic enhancing effects.

So, the end result of THIS arugument is the same as it was before... I do think steroids, if misused are bad... same with rec drugs... I just feel that rec drugs are FAR less useful. Ass.

C-ditty
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:D
 
Citruscide said:



1. Steroids do not alter your MIND... mood, perhaps... MIND? I've never heard any stories about hallucinations or someone using sust not feeling any pain like a PCP user...
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Steroid hormones like testosterone, without a doubt alter ones mind. Something doesn't have to be hallucinogenic to alter your mind. Why do you think testosterone / estrogen production in animals peak during certain physiological / seasonal times of the year? They initiate mating mentality, sensory activation and migration patterns. 'Roid rage' (test aggression) is a classic example of such a phenomena that is expressed in almost all animals with super-physiological levels of testosterone, humans also yet our more advanced mental capacities let us overcome it (most of the time). Obviously it is expressed in some people a lot more than others but the secondary mental mechanisms are there for increased hunger, aggression and sexuality.

Antithetically precusing hormonal influxes from substances like clomid will also change your mentality, as most can vouch enforcing more notable emotional expressionism. Additionally you can ask yourself why strength / sport athletes primarily take compounds like cheque drops, halo, methlytest, they use them for the psychomotoric effects and that contributes to a higher strength and survial perception for the half-life of the drug. High amounts of these androgenic components directly effects the antero-inferior region of the temporal lobe in the Amygdala, that is a brain altering function, where aggression is triggered in a direct control loop. Other than that I pretty much agree with the rest of what you said, on a mg - mg basis steroids will not kill you nor have I ever heard of someone 'overdosing' on them (exept for the latest Bond movie), but they do directly alter your mind.
 
Knoxville - I see your point... this is one of those times that Puc scolds me for not saying what I really mean.

Steroids do not alter you mind in a negative or dangerous capacity. Of course, that depends on your definition of "negative".

C-ditty
 
YOU KNOW WHAT ALTERS MY MIND??? LUCKY CHARMS. I INSTANTLY CHANGE INTO A MADMAN WHEN I EAT THEM. NOONE CAN COME AROUND ME. TOTAL MIND ALTERATION.





KAYNE
 
KAYNE said:
YOU KNOW WHAT ALTERS MY MIND??? LUCKY CHARMS. I INSTANTLY CHANGE INTO A MADMAN WHEN I EAT THEM. NOONE CAN COME AROUND ME. TOTAL MIND ALTERATION.





KAYNE
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Not even BISHOP?
 
HE KNOWS WHEN I'M MAD AND STAYS AWAY FROM ME. HE DOESNT BOTHER ME. ANYONE ELSE IS TOAST. THOSE LUCKY CHARMS ARE CRAZY.

ITS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY IF BISHOP EATS THEM!!! EVER SEE THAT MOVIE "MAN'S BEST FRIEND".........WELL HE MAKES THAT DOG LOOK LIKE A PANSY!!! HE BREAKS OUT AND STARTS KILLING SHIT. I CANT STOP HIM.



KAYNE
 
KAYNE said:
ITS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY IF BISHOP EATS THEM!!! EVER SEE THAT MOVIE "MAN'S BEST FRIEND".........WELL HE MAKES THAT DOG LOOK LIKE A PANSY!!! HE BREAKS OUT AND STARTS KILLING SHIT. I CANT STOP HIM.



KAYNE
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:eyes:
 
Sinistar, I am not very familiar with you as an indivdual or as a member of this board. My anger came from you prancing over to that board and basically telling me I was full of shit and should be ashamed for it. You do not seem to realize that use and abuse is a relative term. In my opinion, I am using steroids responsibly and not abusing them. In your (largely uneducated) opinion, I am abusing steroids.... whatever... BUT you're going over there as a non-experienced (steroid wise) member of this board and shooting me down underminded my attempts to see what I could do to enlighten a few people...so for that, yes, you can go to hell...otherwise I am cool with you.
 
backing away slowly..

i am armed, dont jump at me or your intestines will be on the ground

i could let this drop right here, but im not.

first off frack, i dont have to use steriods to know something about them. as much as i can from second hand info from this board and others, i have a pretty good idea. i can see that you truly are a steriod radical, and have bought into your own propaganda hook line and sinker. but hey, thats fine with me.

whats funny is how you are shitting on me for viocing a differing opinion, then trying to make my opinion worthless by saying i have no exp. you never took on a single thing from my reply. you just come back on here again, tell me to goto hell, which is super mature, and bitch at me for undermining you? whats that? anyone who went over to Defend.net saw that no one was interested in juicing. while there were some loud idiots over there, everybody seemed to just not really give a fuck. did i miss something?

bottom liine: i have a right to MY fucking opinion. my opinion, in the big parts, differs only in minutae to yours.

whats hilarious is that you more or less admitted that my arguement fucked yours up. i cannot undermine anything unless what im saying swings a big dick. so if your points were 'undermined' by some ignorant, inexperienced, shithead like myslef, perhaps you wouldve been better off shutting the hell up to begin with.

but hey, i know its nothing personal, these words between us.
 
true everyone has a right to there opinion, however that does not hold true when it comes to forcing that opinion on another person or belittling them..thats not an opinion thats basically picking a fight

personally, Im done with steroid use for now and at least till Im out on my own (which could be a few years) but maybe never again...parents caught me and I sure as hell will not do it again under their house, 2 more shots to go
 
FRACKAL AND SINISTAR SITTING IN A TREE. KAY EYE ESS ESS EYE INN GEE.

FIRST COMES LOVE, THEN COMES MARRIAGE. THEN COMES A HOMOSEXUAL BABY IN THE BABY CARRAIGE.

THAT HOMOSEXUAL BABY GROWS UP TO HAVE A HORRIBLE LIFE. FRACKAL AND SINISTAR AS ITS FATHER, THATS BAD!!!




KAYNE
 
KnoXville said:


Steroid hormones like testosterone, without a doubt alter ones mind. Something doesn't have to be hallucinogenic to alter your mind. Why do you think testosterone / estrogen production in animals peak during certain physiological / seasonal times of the year? They initiate mating mentality, sensory activation and migration patterns. 'Roid rage' (test aggression) is a classic example of such a phenomena that is expressed in almost all animals with super-physiological levels of testosterone, humans also yet our more advanced mental capacities let us overcome it (most of the time). Obviously it is expressed in some people a lot more than others but the secondary mental mechanisms are there for increased hunger, aggression and sexuality.

Antithetically precusing hormonal influxes from substances like clomid will also change your mentality, as most can vouch enforcing more notable emotional expressionism. Additionally you can ask yourself why strength / sport athletes primarily take compounds like cheque drops, halo, methlytest, they use them for the psychomotoric effects and that contributes to a higher strength and survial perception for the half-life of the drug. High amounts of these androgenic components directly effects the antero-inferior region of the temporal lobe in the Amygdala, that is a brain altering function, where aggression is triggered in a direct control loop. Other than that I pretty much agree with the rest of what you said, on a mg - mg basis steroids will not kill you nor have I ever heard of someone 'overdosing' on them (exept for the latest Bond movie), but they do directly alter your mind.
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your smart dude

:)
 
"YOURE"



SORRY, HAD TO. IT IRRITATES ME THAT PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR AND YOURE.





KAYNE
 
KAYNE said:
FRACKAL AND SINISTAR SITTING IN A TREE. KAY EYE ESS ESS EYE INN GEE.

FIRST COMES LOVE, THEN COMES MARRIAGE. THEN COMES A HOMOSEXUAL BABY IN THE BABY CARRAIGE.

THAT HOMOSEXUAL BABY GROWS UP TO HAVE A HORRIBLE LIFE. FRACKAL AND SINISTAR AS ITS FATHER, THATS BAD!!!




KAYNE
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To quote Wodin "Best thread ever!"
 
QUOTING WODIN IS BAD FOR YOU HETEROSEXUAL IMAGE.


ANYWAY, WHO IS THIS SINISTAR GUY? DID HE REGISTER JUST TO COME HERE AND TELL FRACK HOW STUPID HE IS FOR USING STEROIDS???



KAYNE
 
Anyone who arms themselves over an internet conversation is a loser in my book.
 
godlike

i suggest you go over to defend.net and peep the convo me and frack had. i think that once you see what went down, you wont believe what a baby frack is being. no one over there is the least bit interested in juicing. why do members of this board feel the need to turn everyone into a test head?
 
KAYNE said:
YOU KNOW WHAT ALTERS MY MIND??? LUCKY CHARMS. I INSTANTLY CHANGE INTO A MADMAN WHEN I EAT THEM. NOONE CAN COME AROUND ME. TOTAL MIND ALTERATION.





KAYNE
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hee hee, i thought you were always a madman! just kidding sweetie :angel:
 
i just want to add that sports performance is at least as much mental as physical

for some people toking a j, having a beer, popping a 'lude etc. is like a form of therapy.

someone who enjoys the relaxing effects of mj, if he stops smoking, could experience reduced performance on the athletic field.

doctors prescribe valium and say to take one when you feel stressed out, how can you draw the line at mj which is less addictive?

drugs that are illegal due to the vagaries of our legal system can and do help with mental health of users.

therefore even the line between juice and "rec drugs" is blurred.

jc
 
Re: backing away slowly..

Sinistar said:
first off frack, i dont have to use steriods to know something about them. as much as i can from second hand info from this board and others, i have a pretty good idea. i can see that you truly are a steriod radical, and have bought into your own propaganda hook line and sinker. but hey, thats fine with me.
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Propaganda? What kind of propaganda are your talking about?

Steroid Radical? LOL never heard of that one!!
 
Citruscide said:


I do think steroids, if misused are bad... same with rec drugs... I just feel that rec drugs are FAR less useful. Ass.

C-ditty
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This is where your personal biases are skewing your opinions (as everyone's do). Bodybuilding/athletic enhancement is obviously very important to you, so you automatically assume that athletically enhancing drugs are "far more useful." Just because that holds true for your lifestyle does not mean it holds true everywhere in the free world.

I would argue that recreational drugs are useful for many things. It just depends on your viewpoint.

What's more useful to a person who has just lost a loved one - a CC of test, or a toke on a smooth joint?

What's more useful to a couple who hasn't been able to open up to each other emotionally for the last five years, 50mg of winstrol or a hit of ecstasy?

In your egocentric view, you think it's absurd that anyone would want to feel the best they've ever felt for 4 hours while rolling rather than put an extra five pounds on their deadlift. It's pretty naive to think that way.


Oh, and one last thing - just because you administer steroids using scientifically researched methods doesn't mean that you're not using them recreationally. Almost any drugs not prescribed under the care of a qualified medical professional should be considered recreational.
 
HG Pennypacker said:


Actually, it's "you're". You omitted the apostrophe.
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I DONT USE PUNCTUATION ON HERE VERY MUCH. HENCE ME TYPING IN ALL CAPS. HENCE YOURE, NOT YOU'RE.



KAYNE
 
TEXgrl said:



hee hee, i thought you were always a madman! just kidding sweetie :angel:
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ONLY IN THE BEDROOM. LOL. THOUGH BEING SINGLE...THAT ISNT EXACTLY TRUE AS OF LATE.



KAYNE
 
Re: godlike

Sinistar said:
i suggest you go over to defend.net and peep the convo me and frack had. i think that once you see what went down, you wont believe what a baby frack is being. no one over there is the least bit interested in juicing. why do members of this board feel the need to turn everyone into a test head?
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Sick of your over-stepping with your statements. You know damn well our (my) intentions were to educate, NOT encourage. I was trying to see if I was able to make some sense to people about a subject that has been unbelievably demonized...

And again, your abuse opinion is just that, and very subjective and IMO uneducated and unresearched.
 
busy with what? (I fucking hate this keyboard, lot of the fucking time the keys do't work)
 
Puc said:



2) WITH ONE DOSAGE YOU COULD DIE? Assface, EVERYTHING has a lethal does. Some chemicals have lower LD50 levels than others. BUT, that means you have to research and understand what you are putting in your body, JUST LIKE AS.


And, frackal, I agreed not to post on rec. drugs, but if this buttfuck can ignorantly diss something, i sure as fuck can defend it.
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I believe it is considered impossible to die from steroid overdose. FWIW.
 
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