at what dose does ALA/R-ALA become toxic/useless

[Johnny Cut]

(see post title)

 

[Ulter]

ALA is the devil and should not be used under any circumstances.

R-ALA would be toxic at about the content of 24 bottles of our 120 count Glucorell R.
You don't need more than 800mg per meal. No matter what.

 

[Johnny Cut]

ALA is the devil and should not be used under any circumstances.

lol

 

[xonic2xonic]

800mg/meal would be very expensive.

Ulter do you still suggest that one should see good fat loss results on 100mg / 40g carbs?

Thanks!

 

[Him1]

It wasn't very long ago you guys were singing a very different tune. How long before something else comes around and you're saying the same thing about r-ala?

ALA is the devil and should not be used under any circumstances.

R-ALA would be toxic at about the content of 24 bottles of our 120 count Glucorell R.
You don't need more than 800mg per meal. No matter what.

 

[Ulter]

xonic, the question was the max effective dose before it became a waste. You don't NEED that much. 100mg per 40gr of carbs per meal is plenty.

Him1, Not this boy.

 

[DeepZenPill]

If you're gonna go to 800mg, make sure you're eating enough carbs. I was doubting r-ala's effect on me until I took 800mg and didn't finish my meal. I felt hypoglycemia coming on real fast and my doubts definitely subsided.

 

[dzuljas]

100 mg per 40 grams of carbs, jesus i am eating 500 grams of carbs a day no way i could afford that glucorrell, i seen cheaper r-ala with a higher dosage elsewhere

 

[Koivu_11]

fonz was saying that you need if fact 60% more than what you guys are saying... He said that 400mg per 100g of carbs was alright while you're saying that 250mg is enough. It is not cheap and I plan on buying some, I'm gonna find my own verdict on this.

 

[Johnny Cut]

bump

 

[Ulter]

Koivu_11 - Fonz's doses are based on Fonz.

dzuljas - There is no one else selling r-ALA comparable to Glucorell R in purity 99+% or content, since none of them have the necessary Biotin in them, and if you buy Glucorell R with a coupon the price is practically the same as anyone else's product.

 

[dzuljas]

OK, i may get some of the glucorell then. Someone PM me the coupon code please!

 

[xonic2xonic]

Yup I have checked prices. Make sure we are talking R-ALA not plain (S) ALA. With the discount and the quality AF is the right choice.

 

[Johnny Cut]

click the link at the top of the main forum screen it will take you there (click it for coupon code)

 

[Fonz]

I take 3 months and a good $1.5K of my money to do a study on several compounds and you guys STILL DON'T GET IT.

There's an OPTIMUM DOSE(Maximizes money spent on R-ALA, Blood glucose drop etc..)

Then there's the ULTRA-MAXIMUM DOSAGE where you maximize blood glucose drop at ther expense of using up a lot of R-ALA...i.e. MONEY.

The OPTIMUM DOSAGE is 400mg R-ALA per 100g carbs.

The ULTRA-MAXIMUM DOSAGE is 600mg R-ALA per 100g carbs.

See and excerpt from my study:

Placebo(No R-ALA just 100g carbs): 76.57 units squared(mean total Area)

Then:

(600mg R-ALA)(36.67 Units Squared) 36.67/76.57 = (1-47.89%) = 52.11% reduction

(400mg R-ALA)(40.00 Units Squared) 40.0/76.57 = (1-52.24%) = 47.76% reduction

(200mg R-ALA)(55.00 Units Squared) 55.0/76.57 = (1-71.83%) = 28.17% reduction


So, lets DUMB it down.

400mg is the optimum dosage per 100g carbs or approx. 25g carbs/100mg R-ALA.

Now...if you take a look at the chart, you will see a drop of 47.76% in Blood glucose caused by the 400mg R-ALA.

NOW, here comes the part you guys just do not seem to understand:

600mg R-ALA per 100g carbs reduces BG levels by 52.11%!!!!!!

Do you see the waste of money now?

600mg/400mg = 50%

Instead of a 50% drop there's only approx. a 10% drop.............so guess where all the rest of the R-ALA went?

IT GOT EXCRETED WITH YOUR MONEY.

End of story.

I'm not going to explain this again. I'm tired and my head hurts from reading.

Fonz

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Fonz,

your research is appreciated and well done with respect to glucose clearance...

HOWEVER.. in all fairness and accuracy ...those are YOUR optimal and MAXIMAL dosages--- a good baseline from which others may derive their own

unless you consider your self "the average american".. which is unlikely to be the case


note- you will find that changes both endogenous(aging) and exogenous (drugs,supps, chems, diet,exercise etc).. will have impacts on your findings.. ie a repeat in 10 years with same parameters will likely yield different results..

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Fonz,
ie a repeat in 10 years with same parameters will likely yield different results..

continuing as you are.. also unlikely.. given your penchant for self experimentation...

ie. would not be surprised to see a post on the start of home gene therapy

 

[Fonz]

continuing as you are.. also unlikely.. given your penchant for self experimentation...

ie. would not be surprised to see a post on the start of home gene therapy

LOL

I'm about to try to start to combine r-ala / GLA / ALCar / Green tea / CLA in the optimum amounts to maximize both insulin independent and dependent methods of blood glucose disposal ,and at the same time BAT thermogenesis.

The next generation fat-burner.......light years ahead of anything ever designed.

Non-adrenergic, thermogenic, nutrient partioning, cognitive anhancer, and stimulant-free to boot. Thermorexin Part II.

Of course..........time is something I have little nowadays so not in the near future. But hopefully.

Fonz

 

[Ulter]

I would imagine you would want to make this more effective by making it an IM or IV product. I mean, how would you get all that in a capsule?

 

[Fonz]

I would imagine you would want to make this more effective by making it an IM or IV product. I mean, how would you get all that in a capsule?

You sush........ like Einstein said: "Imagination is more important than knowledge".

Even though a bit ludicrous nowadays, the premise holds true in a wide variety of subjects.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

continuing as you are.. also unlikely.. given your penchant for self experimentation...

ie. would not be surprised to see a post on the start of home gene therapy

The study of longevity is one of my many fascinations.

Fonz

 

[XzRzX]

so how effective is r-ala with regards to consumption of carbs over 100g ? does the effectivity lessen ? lets say i take 600mg with 150g of carbs ?

 

[Transporter]

first let me tell u sometjing.
fisrt AF store has pushed ALA and now they are saying it is a devil.
second u say u have biotin inside.
biotin should not be taken with ALA cause it competes for absorbition.

good luck and i will never buy from u guys anything cause it seem u are BS people

 

[Johnny Cut]

bump

 

[Fonz]

first let me tell u sometjing.
fisrt AF store has pushed ALA and now they are saying it is a devil.
second u say u have biotin inside.
biotin should not be taken with ALA cause it competes for absorbition.

good luck and i will never buy from u guys anything cause it seem u are BS people

You New york guys need a good kick in the head.

R-ALA does nothing bad. NOTHING.

It just depletes biotin levels.

WHICH YOU COULD GET FROM YOUR FOOD ANYWAYS.

But, since this is a perfectionist world.....the recommendation of taking Biotin w/ R-ALA is given.

Is this so hard to understand or do you want a diagram?

Fonz

 

[Machiavellian Muscle]

Hey fonz lets see the diagram...

 

[Ulter]

first let me tell u sometjing.
fisrt AF store has pushed ALA and now they are saying it is a devil.
second u say u have biotin inside.
biotin should not be taken with ALA cause it competes for absorbition.

good luck and i will never buy from u guys anything cause it seem u are BS people

When did the AF Store push ALA?? I can't find any record of the AF Store selling ALA.
When we had our meeting on the ALA issue (whether or not to bottle and sell it) we decided that because all the studies showed that R-ALA was better in every way and that there is a major flaw in Racemic, the S, we decided to bring R-ALA to market for the first time ever in the United States. It would have been a lot easier to just sell Racemic. But in case you haven't noticed we only sell cutting edge, you can't find it anywhere else, OMG this stuff rocks, products. We don't follow, we lead.

BTW Almost all high end pharmaceutical companies providing ALA to physicians add biotin. This is nothing new, the biotin issue has been known for many years. It's only the supp companies that leave it out.

 

[Johnny Cut]

Are there any plans to make a higher concentration ALA? I think it would be more effective (just some feedback)

I hate the days i feel like i am popping over 100 pills a day

50mg/dbol =10 pills
flax oil=10pills
Ndex=1 pill
Multivitamin=2 pills

etc
etc.....

 

[Fonz]

Are there any plans to make a higher concentration ALA? I think it would be more effective (just some feedback)

I hate the days i feel like i am popping over 100 pills a day

50mg/dbol =10 pills
flax oil=10pills
Ndex=1 pill
Multivitamin=2 pills

etc
etc.....

BUMP.

I want to see the AF store come out with 200mg R-ALA pills.

That would kick ass.

Fonz