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THE BOUNCER

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I'd been hearing about him for months before I finally saw him. "Tom" was by far the top physique at the gym that I had recently joined after moving to a new town in suburban Boston. Even at the Olympia Weekend in Vegas, anybody I ran into from Massachusetts asked me if I knew him when I told them where I trained. Needless to say, I couldn't wait to see this muscular marvel in the flesh.

Not long after Vegas, my curiosity was satisfied. There was no mistaking this was the man I'd been hearing about when I walked in one Sunday afternoon and saw this Hercules training his mammoth arms. Tom was about my height, 5-9, maybe a bit shorter. To say he put me to shame would be an understatement. Tom probably weighed around 250, with that thick, round, overall development that spells pro bodybuilding potential. His arms had to be around 21 inches and his neck was about the same. His back and shoulders were so wide and jam-packed with dense muscle that it almost looked like he couldn't move.

I'll be honest. The immediate emotion that consumed me was jealousy. Tom was born to look like this. It was obvious he was also on a ton of steroids, but no average guy could ever hope to have his type of size and shape without some rare genetic gifts. The next emotion I felt was anxiety. He had done the NPC New England on several occasions, a contest I was already planning on entering. I knew that there was no way in hell I could hope to beat this freak, even if I doubled whatever drug stack he was on and trained like an animal for the next six months.

He was the kind of guy that showed up at a contest and had all the other guys muttering "oh no" to themselves even before he takes off his sweats, much like Wheeler and Coleman did many years ago as amateurs. It's the sort of monstrous development that no amount of clothing can conceal. I wanted to introduce myself, as I was sure we had mutual friends and acquaintances and clearly shared the same interests, but my foolish pride wouldn't allow it. Since he trained at night with all the young stallions and I was in there mornings with the housewives and retired men, I didn't see Tom again. As it turned out, I would literally never see Tom again.

I walked into the locker room soon after that and one of the personal trainers asked me, "You hear about Tom?"

"No," though I sensed what was coming, "what happened to him?"

"He died yesterday. An ulcer in his stomach burst, and with his heart problem, I guess that was too much."

Tom had been all of 25 years old. Just a kid, really.

I'd picked up random bits and pieces about Tom from several people in the months preceding this. His experience with steroids began at 18, and he competed for the first time a couple of years later. Not making the top five in that first contest set off something in him, a need to prove himself perhaps, that led to a decision to up his steroid dosages dramatically.

In the year after his humiliating defeat, he gained seventy pounds while staying at roughly the same bodyfat percentage. Seventy pounds of muscle in one year — let that sink in for a moment. His all-time high bodyweight was a touch over 280 pounds without carrying much fat at all. Tom competed several more times, and was vindicated by always placing in the top three, despite having trouble getting into proper condition at times and flattening out at the last minute on other occasions.

Along with the glaring steroid use evident in his overblown muscles was a more insidious drug habit. Like many bodybuilders today, Tom was a heavy user of the synthetic opiate Nubain as well as various other recreational drugs. Coming from a rough, working-class neighborhood in a city with a bad reputation, this wasn't really that shocking. Shortly after I first saw him, Tom had some sort of an overdose and went into a coma in the apartment where he lived alone. He wasn't found until three days later, when he was rushed to the hospital. That's when they found the heart problems. He survived that one, but you'd think it would have taught him a lesson. Not so.

What killed Tom? Was it the steroids, the Nubain, or maybe party drugs like Ecstasy which most of the bodybuilders in the night club scene were into, that caused his demise? No one's certain. Maybe it was a combination of everything, I have no idea. But I do know that 25 years old is far too young to leave this earth. I think back to myself at 25. It was the year I became a father for the first time. I was just starting to grow into my career and my role as a husband. In many ways I was still transitioning from young adult to grown man. The world, and my place in it, was just beginning to make sense.

I know I'd barely begun to live my life at 25, and I suspect that Tom was at a similar point. Sadly, he never married, never knew the joys of being a parent. And as trivial and insignificant as it sounds now, he never fully realized his awesome potential as a bodybuilder. Tough break, you say, but what, pray tell, does this have to do with anything?

Peruse the T-mag forum in the "Steroids and other drugs" section, as well as any number of similar message boards on the net, and you'll notice a disturbing trend. A large percentage of those using or considering using anabolics is in the 18-24 age group or younger. They all want to be huge, and they want it yesterday. A recurring thread that pops up is "how young is too young?"

Bill Roberts, myself, and several others try to encourage kids to wait until they're at least in their mid-twenties to give their own hormones a chance to work their magic as well as learn how their bodies respond to various types of training and nutrition strategies. Wouldn't you know it, almost every single youngster out there agrees—only they think that they're the one "exception to the rule" who should be on drugs right away.

Can it be that they're all truly so informed, mature, and expert in the ways of pumping iron to justify such a premature leap into all-out steroid programs? Logic would dictate otherwise. For those of you now in your thirties, forties, and beyond, it's safe to say that most of us look back at some of the behaviors we engaged in as teenagers and young men and cringe. Our sense of better judgment wasn't yet fully formed, and neither was our sense of mortality. How else could you explain the fact that the majority of drunk driving accidents involve men and women in their teens and early twenties? Drinking is a much bigger problem than steroids in young people, without a doubt, but in our little world of gyms and heavy weights, a lot of young people play with fire by juicing early and in a big way.

Along with youth comes impatience, the desire to have it all and have it now. When it comes to kids who want big muscles, which many believe will translate into increased respect from their male peers and sexual attractiveness to girls, the temptation to use steroids is enormous. One of the young Œroiders on the T-mag forum actually gloated that since he's been on steroids, "all the guys at school are afraid of me and all the girls want me." And once a kid gets a gratifying taste of this instant validation, do you think he'll want to stop? Hardly.

At a time in life when all of us are unsure of ourselves and are searching for an identity, we're all vulnerable to anything that comes along that can give us those feelings of acceptance. Whether it comes from joining a gang, falling in with the stoner crowd, or shooting steroids to gain seventy pounds of muscle and create a suit of armor cast in flesh and blood, we just want the painful self-doubts and insecurity to stop.

I'm not someone who preaches that steroids and recreational drugs are evil. In the wrong hands and taken to extremes, either can certainly wreak havoc with the quality of a man or woman's personal life and health. All moral and legal issues aside, both are used in moderation by millions with few deleterious effects. The danger comes when those who lack the judgment or the regard for their own well-being to exercise moderation enter the picture.

Tom's death is an eerie fulfillment of two predictions made by the 2001 version of T-mag's Dead Pool. One said that given the sheer number of steroid users, odds were slim that any of the high-profile bodybuilders described would fall victim to the Grim Reaper. It was more likely to be someone you never heard of at a gym somewhere out in Podunk that paid the ultimate price, and his death would pass quietly with neither public outrage or media outcry. The second prophecy was that it would be the lethal combination of steroids and recreational drugs that would start cutting lives short. Tragically, Tom proved the writer correct in both cases.

All of us are given just this one body and one life to lead on planet Earth. These lives should be long and filled with family, friends, rewarding careers, and the chance to make our mark on the world. Weight training and bodybuilding are meant to be healthy endeavors that allow us to live longer lives full of more vitality, strength, and passion than the average Joe does. Some of us choose to use steroids to enhance our results and satisfy our inner vision of what it is we wish to be in terms of appearance and performance. And as more anti-aging research comes to light, it seems that in the coming decades steroids will be a tool many of us will enjoy to maintain our youthful bodies and health as we transition into old age. To abuse steroids to the point where you're risking death is a perversion.

When the trainer and I were discussing Tom's death that morning in the locker room, another man who had been eavesdropping came closer as we recalled the immense size Tom had displayed. "Was it worth it?" the stranger asked, and we all went silent. I know that if Tom could have had the opportunity to answer, he would have said no. I hope that his death makes some of you who may be heavy steroid users or contemplating heavy use, stop and think. Are huge muscles worth giving up your very life? Is the high of Nubain, cocaine, or Ecstasy so pleasurable that you'd risk dying to use them on a regular basis?

The lure of being huge beyond mortal comprehension is a siren song to many young (and sometimes not so young) men enthralled by the incredible physiques displayed in the magazines by Coleman, Cormier, Cutler, and the rest of the Freak Elite. Some will chase that dream with tunnel vision, and employ whatever means may be necessary with little or no regard to the risks inherent in ingesting such a vast and varied pharmaceutical cocktail. And no matter how large they become, they'll still look in the mirror and be far from satisfied at the image they see.

Part of being a T-man is having the gratitude and respect for the life you're given to not gamble with it for such a fleeting and ultimately inconsequential reward. Tom is gone forever. He doesn't have the chance anymore to consider the possible impact of what he's doing to his body. You, reading this, still have time. Whether it's you, a friend or loved one, or just someone you say hi to at the gym, you probably know someone who's putting the pursuit of fast muscle gains ahead of common sense.

Is getting there in a hurry worth dying for? I care about each and every one of you who share my love for improving the physical self through weight training. Please be careful. I never had the chance to tell Tom any of this, and frankly I don't know if he would have listened. But if this little editorial can do anything to prevent another young man from dying before he has really had a chance to live, then it hasn't been just another lurid cautionary tale. Let's all stay alive and healthy and observe moderation in all things.

THIS ARTICLE WAS TAKEN FROM www.testosterone.net
 
what was "Tom's" real full-name, so that your story becomes real, and so that we can all do a search for some competition pics.

Right now your story smells phony as hell,
like something Mothers Against Anabolic Steriods would contribute.

When you furnish me the real name, I'll furnish an apology.
 
growing said:
what was "Tom's" real full-name, so that your story becomes real, and so that we can all do a search for some competition pics.

Right now your story smells phony as hell,
like something Mothers Against Anabolic Steriods would contribute.

When you furnish me the real name, I'll furnish an apology.
dude what the fuck are you talking about? this article is from t-mag, i posted this because i thought it was a good read. if you knew me you would know that i am by no means against steroids. just an article to get some people thinking. some people on hear do crazy amounts of drugs with not much to show for it. by the way i don't want your apology.:mad:
 
growing said:
what was "Tom's" real full-name, so that your story becomes real, and so that we can all do a search for some competition pics.

Right now your story smells phony as hell,
like something Mothers Against Anabolic Steriods would contribute.

When you furnish me the real name, I'll furnish an apology.

Hey fuckhead...the point of the story isn't whether or not it's real...
 
No flame to you bro, I see that you grabbed the article from T-Mag.

It's their bad, not yours.

I just hate "downer" stories like that, that are really just smoke and they're written as filler material between the advertisements for all those awesome supplements that will have you looking like ronnie coleman in 6 days.

If you like gripping, telling. poignant, manipulative stories about the sport that we all love that just simply aren't true, I could write them all day long for you.

Most of us come to this board seeking the truth.

That's all.
 
Bouncer- I thought this was a good read. This story reminded me of a friend of mine. Everyone should read this. We cant loose touch of reality. Life is too short.

BTW-whats up with all of these smart ass newbies around here? I sometimes with George would make this an all plat. board. Perhaps if these assho's had to pay to be here they would respect us more.
 
growing said:
No flame to you bro, I see that you grabbed the article from T-Mag.

It's their bad, not yours.

I just hate "downer" stories like that, that are really just smoke and they're written as filler material between the advertisements for all those awesome supplements that will have you looking like ronnie coleman in 6 days.

If you like gripping, telling. poignant, manipulative stories about the sport that we all love that just simply aren't true, I could write them all day long for you.

Most of us come to this board seeking the truth.

That's all.
now your pissing me off. are you telling me this article serves no purpose? i guarantee there are at least 1000 16-17-18yr olds on this board write now that have been lifting for 3 months that are thinking about steroid use. if your going to be an idiot, then don't post.:mad:
 
"Fuck-head"???

Was that really necessary?

I think if "Tom" were here right now, (god rest "Tom's" Soul) he would not like that kind of talk.

You seem to have an anger-management problem.

And if you don't cut back your dosages soon, the next T-Mag Smoke story might be about......"You"...........
 
growing said:
No flame to you bro, I see that you grabbed the article from T-Mag.

It's their bad, not yours.

I just hate "downer" stories like that, that are really just smoke and they're written as filler material between the advertisements for all those awesome supplements that will have you looking like ronnie coleman in 6 days.

If you like gripping, telling. poignant, manipulative stories about the sport that we all love that just simply aren't true, I could write them all day long for you.

Most of us come to this board seeking the truth.

That's all.

Bro, no offense but you're a FUCKING MORON....you're obviouslt much to stupid to see the real meaning behind this story....whether it's real or not is completely pointless....


BOUNCER....excellent read...Thanks very much....I'd throw you some karma but I need to spread it around....
 
growing said:
"Fuck-head"???

Was that really necessary?

I think if "Tom" were here right now, (god rest "Tom's" Soul) he would not like that kind of talk.

You seem to have an anger-management problem.

And if you don't cut back your dosages soon, the next T-Mag Smoke story might be about......"You"...........

I think "Fuck-head" is a perfect choice of words.....
 
i guess this terrible "roid rage" that I am getting right now must be what is making me want to rip your dumb little ass through this computer and smack you accross the face.

you are either to stupid to realize the point of this article or you just dont care. if you dont care then go post somewhere else.

Looks to me like you are new here, and trying to be cool and make an ass out of someone. Looks like your the ass.
 
gilly6993 said:


I think "Fuck-head" is a perfect choice of words.....

Thanks gilly...You know, I sat here for a long while trying to find the perfect words to describe him, and he doesn't even apprecaite it...Sometimes I just wanna give up...

It's kinda like yesterday when you spent all that time on johnboy's cycle and he just dismissed it. It's gonna take some time for me to heal from this...thanks alot growing!:bawling:
 
Hey thanks for the great read bouncer. Me and My group of gym rats are all about that age it really makes you think. And to growing your dumb ass needs to read between the lines this isn't meaning to stop anybody from using maybe just take things into perspective and not trying to have everything all at once
thanks again bouncer
 
growing said:
"Fuck-head"???

Was that really necessary?

I think if "Tom" were here right now, (god rest "Tom's" Soul) he would not like that kind of talk.

You seem to have an anger-management problem.

And if you don't cut back your dosages soon, the next T-Mag Smoke story might be about......"You"...........
Who in the blue hell do you think you are? Why don't you like these type of stories? Perhaps because they are true. I am 20 years old and doing my first cycle and I am glad Bouncer posted that so think before you type because it is quite obvious you don't. Better yet why don't you just get lost and never come on these boards again.
 
Bulldog_10 said:


Thanks gilly...You know, I sat here for a long while trying to find the perfect words to describe him, and he doesn't even apprecaite it...Sometimes I just wanna give up...

It's kinda like yesterday when you spent all that time on johnboy's cycle and he just dismissed it. It's gonna take some time for me to heal from this...thanks alot growing!:bawling:

I'm here for you bro in your time of need......
 
damn you guys are some good bro's. maybe we should let him slide just this once. he is just trying to sound important. on second thought, GET THE FUCK OUT!:mad:
 
gilly6993 said:


I think "Fuck-head" is a perfect choice of words.....

I second that!

I'll bet your dumb ass falls right in the category mentioned in the article. :mad:

Excellent read BOUNCER! I like seeing stuff like this, I think it helps keep us all in check (or at least the ones with some common sense)
 
Hey growing I don't think anybody has roid rage it just might piss them off as well as me. That fuck heads like yourself think they know everything. Your the bitch that probley works out at the country club and intimidates the other highschool kids. because you took a couple of cycles and now thinks hes a pro bodybuilder
Wise up a little bit
late
 
THE BOUNCER said:
dude what the fuck are you talking about? this article is from t-mag, i posted this because i thought it was a good read. if you knew me you would know that i am by no means against steroids. just an article to get some people thinking. some people on hear do crazy amounts of drugs with not much to show for it. by the way i don't want your apology.:mad:

i read this a few weeks back, it is from t-mag.
 
Good article, I haven't been to T for awhile, I did post this on another site I visit, were we get questions from people who eat coco puffs for breakfast, what roids they can use, I wont expand on that stupidity.

Hopefully this scares a few kids who don't know enough about what they might be getting into. 70 pounds in one year, good god!
 
Great read Bouncer!

As far as your childish responses growin, the article illustrated eactly what it was intended to; that there are fairly safe, and downright dangerous ways to use steroids. I doubt that too many of us who hang out on the anabolic board are against steroids, but most of us are about using them as safely as possible.
 
needsize said:
Great read Bouncer!

As far as your childish responses growin, the article illustrated eactly what it was intended to; that there are fairly safe, and downright dangerous ways to use steroids. I doubt that too many of us who hang out on the anabolic board are against steroids, but most of us are about using them as safely as possible.

That, plus the guy was on recreational drugs (which I care nothing about, although I've done acid in the past a few times...). I personally think people have a choice, be big or be a junkie. I know too many people that ask how much can they drink on stag night along with thier dbol, while its great to be young do you want to be an alcoholic or a bodybuilder? I can understand wanting to have fun, but personally, ONE OR THE OTHER.

USE IT, DON'T LET IT USE YOU.
 
Bouncer, good informative post. You are right, there are alot of young bucks on here in their early teens/twenties. They get on the gear so early and don't even give their body a chance to develop.

I waited til i was 26 to do my 1st cycle. I had access at an earlier age, but what convinced me to do it was that i plateaued for 1 yr. Four years later (present day), i recently finished my second cycle. Again, really no gains in such a long time convinced me to hit the gear again. Looking back, i don't regret taking it earlier when i had a chance at 19/20 yrs old.

Your post by no means was anti gear, but stating is it all worth it ? To some yes, to others no. For me , maybe when the time comes again where i can't get over that hill to get the gains i want.
 
Very good read Bouncer! As for growing???...let's ban him!!!
Negative karma for being a prick!!
g
 
Hey bouncer....it's posts like that from guys who've been in the trenches that keep me on these boards doing research.....so thanx. Hopefully guys like growing don't ruin it for the rest of us newbies in that age group who respect the vets and value your help. keep posting bro!
D
 
SuperD said:
Hey bouncer....it's posts like that from guys who've been in the trenches that keep me on these boards doing research.....so thanx. Hopefully guys like growing don't ruin it for the rest of us newbies in that age group who respect the vets and value your help. keep posting bro!
D
thanks bro
 
We've all seen people like this "tom" some time or another over the years, some huge gentically gifted juiced up heffer. Now the young teens come in and think I'll search the web try to find a source and be huge and popular in no time. Then they read an article like this or personal experiences with abscess or infections or getting even more zits than they already have. It makes them think twice about starting, hell I don't like reading about them either but it keeps us from getting over confident too.
Keep em coming Bouncer...maybe throw in some picks of swolen roid hearts or that guy doing the home gyno surgery :p
 
Good read Bouncer; and as for wether or not it's true or not, who really cares. I know of a couple of guys who fit into the "tom" mold. Not necessarily monsters but rather regular joe's who are into constructing bodies of steel and being larger than life. I know guys I went to school with who used to do gear and drink in excess, smoke weed in excess, do crack, acid; I know we all have at least seen these guys. Also the people with addicting personalaties(sp?), that once they get a taste of the size they want more and more. The moral of the story is what's important and being able to relate to oneself or your Bro's.
 
3 Fortunes said:
I actually knew "Tom" quite well and there is way more to this story. Regardless, it makes you think.

~3
so is this story actually true? can you give us any details bro. I am in the NPC and have never heard anything about him.
 
Well whether or not this particular story is true or not is irrelevant!
I had a close friend of mine that I had to help bury last year because he abused and misused rec drugs and steroids. He pretty much fit the description of "Tom" and my friends and I warned him several times to get his blood pressure checked and blood work done and he didn't. He was only 23 years old when a buddy of mine found him dead in his bed room.

I am 25 years old and married with a beautiful daughter and I want to do everything that is right for me in order to live a long healthy life. Fortunately I was never into rec drugs but was always interested in steroid's I started my first cycle in march of 2002 and ended it in July. I was on for too long and I didn't research enough and got shitty results.

I have been a member of Elite for some time now and I am much better prepared to start my next cycle thanks to the wide array of information you can find here and thanks to the people that take their time to post such informative and helpful information.

Well I have gone on long enough and just want to say thanks to the people like the Bouncer who have helped me directly and in directly in whatever way they did!
 
growing said:
what was "Tom's" real full-name, so that your story becomes real, and so that we can all do a search for some competition pics.

Right now your story smells phony as hell,
like something Mothers Against Anabolic Steriods would contribute.

When you furnish me the real name, I'll furnish an apology.

:rolleyes: Why cant people just shut the fuck up and keep it to themselves:rolleyes:
 
I think Ron Harris used a little creative license with this story but the guy is real and did the Junior USAs a couple of times. Please let the guy's soul rest.
 
growing said:
what was "Tom's" real full-name, so that your story becomes real, and so that we can all do a search for some competition pics.

Right now your story smells phony as hell,
like something Mothers Against Anabolic Steriods would contribute.

When you furnish me the real name, I'll furnish an apology.

are you some sort of fucking retard?

bump for an excellent tribute by the bouncer.
 
its a good post i know quite a few guys who do badly at comps and then go crazy with the gear . most get away with it but others dont this tom guy is one in a million who fucked up.

make you think tho.
 
supernav said:
Well aside from Tom, another big famous person who was jacked on steroids for years and died recently. British Bulldog, Davey Boy Smith.

So yes steroids OVER A PROLONGED period will HURT you in the end. I can't fathom how some people can continue taking it for 10-15 years and not expect something to happen.

If Arnold was still taking juice to this day right now -- think he'd be alive?

-= nav =-

Have you seen Arnold lately? His head looks like an animated skull.

And yes, he still takes steroids. Only when you are a megawatt Hollywood star it is called "hormone replacement therapy."
 
Thanks a bunch Bouncer good reading material and a lesson to learn, that for sure, I wonder if this guy is for real? I'm form worcester MA about 40 min from Boston (this is were J cutler grew up, he actually train in my gym for years, actually it sucks for me to train around this beast, he made lots of people including me looks small ).
 
RICOSUAVE said:
Thanks a bunch Bouncer good reading material and a lesson to learn, that for sure, I wonder if this guy is for real? I'm form worcester MA about 40 min from Boston (this is were J cutler grew up, he actually train in my gym for years, actually it sucks for me to train around this beast, he made lots of people including me looks small ).
actually it is true, but he was not this freak like portrayed in the story. his genetics were average but he just took it to far with everything.
 
Hey assohole-this story is real. His initials are MM and he was the TOP BB in the Boston area. He did quite a bit of gear,but his heart gave him his 1st problems(because of pumpnpose causing a blockage) He was done in from a combo of OC 80's and GHB-the day he got out of the hospital(his GF's B-day) Very senseless indeed. He was a great BB and a good kid.He was always cool to me and we" helped" each other out

J
 
1Mistake said:
Hey assohole-this story is real. His initials are MM and he was the TOP BB in the Boston area. He did quite a bit of gear,but his heart gave him his 1st problems(because of pumpnpose causing a blockage) He was done in from a combo of OC 80's and GHB-the day he got out of the hospital(his GF's B-day) Very senseless indeed. He was a great BB and a good kid.He was always cool to me and we" helped" each other out

J
yep
 
I think a lot of people are missing the point of this story. True or not, doesn't matter, it has an important message.


I see so many people post about their latest binge on x for the weekend, and then wondering if it will cause them some gains on their drol, test, winny, and deca cycle. Then they post how they also smoke some weed after a workout to 'relax', and only drink with the guys 2 nights out of the week. These guys are playing with fire, and give us all a bad name. If this kid was real (and it seems he was), then it wasn't just the gear, it was party drugs, and bad judgement. It should be used as a wake up call to all the people out there who think they are Superman, and nothing can stop them. Well, shit, death's real, and it can happen to any of us.


On another note, everyone seems concerned that he gained 70lbs in one year. I gained 40 my first year and a half training, natural. Should I be worried? I also gained 50lbs this year, and did one cycle with 500mg test a wk for 8wks, but i gained only 30 from that, the other 20 were natural. Now I'm kinda worried? Am I growing too much, too quick?!!
 
C3bodybuilding said:

On another note, everyone seems concerned that he gained 70lbs in one year. I gained 40 my first year and a half training, natural. Should I be worried? I also gained 50lbs this year, and did one cycle with 500mg test a wk for 8wks, but i gained only 30 from that, the other 20 were natural. Now I'm kinda worried? Am I growing too much, too quick?!!
ya, but if you read the story carefully, it says that he gained 70lbs while staying at the same bodyfat. also keep in mind that he had already been training for years.
 
Thats massive, 6 pounds a month or 1.5 pounds every week a pound every 5 days, wow.
 
Shit! I just re-read. He stayed the same while gaining 70s, thats SICK. I've been from 7% up to 11, and once as high as 15%, I could never imagine staying the same body fat while gaining all that muscle. That is sick. Imagine if he would of done things the right way, he sounds like he was blessed genetics wise.
 
Good read Bouncer...I don't think it matters whether this is real or not...there is something to be said for kids taking AS and there is something to be said for anyone taking AS and mixing them with rec drugs like X and Coke. We wonder why so many crack down on AS and think that it is so bad...this is why. IRRESPONSIBILITY
 
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