Aspirate....And Why?

[zips92]

I ahve heard a few differing opinions (not a lot) on the purpose and benefits of aspirating gear/injection. Would like to hear some more from some experienced juicers.......is it more than just pressurizing vial to help draw out oil based AAS......aren't why trying to avoid injecting air bubbles? Who has the insight?

 

[azul]

I ahve heard a few differing opinions (not a lot) on the purpose and benefits of aspirating gear/injection. Would like to hear some more from some experienced juicers.......is it more than just pressurizing vial to help draw out oil based AAS......aren't why trying to avoid injecting air bubbles? Who has the insight?

You aspirate to make sure you're not injecting into a vein. It's not air bubbles you're getting in there... it's "vaccum bubbles" with maybe a teeny bit of air. Nothing wrong with injecting a lil' bit of air into muscle.

How many cycles have you done?

 

[Bonkme2]

Aspirating means that you pull the plunger of the pin out a little when you inject to make sure you're not in a vein. You don't want oil based gear in your blood stream. It may eventually accumulate in your lungs causing big problems.

 

[zips92]

Just my second cycle. These responses are indeed helpful confirmation for me, and hopefully other gear newbies.

 

[sparetire]

I personally have never injected anywhere but my delts. I push the syringe all the way in to the base of the needle and inject without asperating. I asperated every single time on my first cycle and never hit a vein. Sometimes I still asperate, but i never hit anything. I guess if I was extremely HUGE, i might hit a vein, but until that time comes, i usually don't. But for the most part, until you are experienced in what you are doing, asperate..

 

[almost-pro]

I personally have never injected anywhere but my delts. I push the syringe all the way in to the base of the needle and inject without asperating. I asperated every single time on my first cycle and never hit a vein. Sometimes I still asperate, but i never hit anything. I guess if I was extremely HUGE, i might hit a vein, but until that time comes, i usually don't. But for the most part, until you are experienced in what you are doing, asperate..

I know several guys that are VERY experienced body builders and still aspirate. I don't see a reason why you wouldn't. It takes 2 seconds and it could potentially save your life.

 

[needsize]

not doing it is stupid at the very least, just because you have never hit a vein, doesnt mean you wont. I've done 100s of shots, in just about every muscle, and thought I never would hit one, but I kept aspirating, and have now hit two veins

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Let me give you the complete procedure from start to finish in a shot.

Clean your vial top or ampule with Isopropyl alcohol 70% (not higher or lower).
Open a clean sterile Pin. Take needle of without touching it directly. Open a new needle (prefferable 18gage thickness or so) so that it will be easy to draw the liquid. Pull back on the plunger and suck in as much air as you plan to draw liquid. Puncture the vial or put in the ampule. Push the air in and then twist the vial up or keep the amp level and suck in the ammount of CC you need. Twist the pig 18gage of and put back the small pin on fairly tight. Put the pin upwards towards the ceilign and slowly push the liquid into the top all the way up to the needle as to where a few drops trickle down. Turn the pin towards the ground and trickle (tap the plastic) a few times so that the air bubles that may be there go to the top. Now take your 70% isopropyl alcohol and take a cotton swap and rub the already clean area you plan to inject at back and forth for about 15 seconds thuroughly. Take the cover of the pin off(at all times be sure you do not make contact with the needle to ANYTHING) and at a straight angle poke in the correct spot.....slide in slowly until you are at the desired depth 1" idealy. Now while holding the pin pull up on the plunger very slightly untill you see some vacum ( air) creep in. Only pull slightly....less than 1/4 a cc. If no bloo d comes rushing to the top you are ready to slowly push down on the plunger and inject. After you finish your injection....keep the pin in the spot for 5 seconds or so. Slowly pull out...and immediately cover the injection spot with a cotton swab with 70% isopropyl. Keep it there untill there is no bleeding. Wipe...... and your DONE!

Believe me its much simpler than all the typing.

 

[sweed]

reason for iso alky no higher than 70%? i am using like 90% i figure the higher conc. the better.. and yes it is a lot easier than typing allllll that! // but why do u need to pull back a cc of air (or the amount u are going to inject) and then push it into the amp then suck up the oil? is this only necessary for vials?

 

[jay1]

I believe thats only to create a vacuum and make it easier to draw.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Yes its only for vials...for pressure equalization.

As for the 70% i asked a doctor....suposedly.... 70% concentration effects the germs topically in a better way..... thats what they use in hospitals etc. 90% has diferent uses. This is what i have been told by a MD. Then again most doctors will tell you that juice and Marijuana will kill you so...i take what they say with a BIG grain of salt.

If someone has some reasearch i would be interested.

 

[CRsteve]

I do what PJ said 100% to the T every time. One small difference (might have just been left out):

"suck in the ammount of CC you need. Twist the pig 18gage of and put back the small pin on fairly tight."

After I suck in the amount of oil I need, I remove the pin from the vial and suck in the remaining oil from the drawing needle, then put the smaller pin on.

 

[glover]

If your not in a hurry and don't want to waste needles. Just use a 23 gauge to draw and inject. It is not that slow to draw with, and you won't have to deal with infecting the needle by accidentally touching, dropping etc..

 

[azul]

If your not in a hurry and don't want to waste needles. Just use a 23 gauge to draw and inject. It is not that slow to draw with, and you won't have to deal with infecting the needle by accidentally touching, dropping etc..

Do you enjoy injecting yourself with dull needles?

 

[CRsteve]

I was going to say, that rubber stopper is not the softest material in the world. I imagine that'd dull the needle enough to cause a touch more discomfort.

 

[Clean]

yes I always switch needles

 

[glover]

It has never bothered me to use the needle I draw with. Docs do it all the time. It is steel so how much can you dull it with one insertion into a vial? I have changed needles and used the same and cannot feel the difference. Try it both ways see for yourself then choose.

 

[dsh89]

I give injections a lot. There really is no need to switch out needles. It is a preference thing. And I am a fan of a 20g needle for drawing and injecting oil based products.

 

[azul]

I give injections a lot. There really is no need to switch out needles. It is a preference thing. And I am a fan of a 20g needle for drawing and injecting oil based products.

Yeah, but when you're doing EOD day shots with a 20G dull needle... well, that's not very much fun.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

<Uses 25 gage for everything

 

[sparetire]

okay, i'll start asperating on my next cycle (july 1st). I know it only takes 2 secs, but i guess it's the ole' male ego kicking in (never hit one - never will..) , but I realized after your responses - I should - always..so I will..

 

[Brawl]

I've never aspirated ... 100's of shots no problems .

I suggest people aspirate ...

 

[boskers22]

lil off topic but i was wondering what would happen if u injected into a vein

 

[KillzwithPillz]

I find it hard to Aspirate while shooting glutes!

 

[PolfaJelfa]

lil off topic but i was wondering what would happen if u injected into a vein

Matters on the ammount, content.

From a mild reaction...to a heavy system shock diziness, pass out...to death.

 

[Snarling Force]

I've done over 100 shots. I've always aspirated from the beginning. I would often wonder, is this necessary? Will I ever hit a vein? And then, about 3 weeks ago, it happened for the first time. I stuck the needle into my glute, aspirated, expecting to see the little bubbles that I always see, only this time, blood just fired back into the plunger. Who knows what would have happened if I had not aspirated that time. I might not even be here typing this. Bottom line, always aspirate.

 

[shamrock11]

If you ever watch a nurse or someone in the hospital give you a shot they draw and shoot with the same needle. I see no reason why you would have to. One stick in a vial isn't going to dull it that much.

 

[needsize]

so, does it make you more of a man to inject with a bigger needle, and not change the tip? If you are going to go through the trouble of doing a cycle, then whats an extra 10 seconds???
Plus, the bigger needle leaves bigger scar tissue, if you are in this for the long haul, then there is no point using daggers instead of needles

 

[Stacemranger]

Agreed.

 

[dsh89]

I do not know if you are reffering to me needsize, but I will respond to clarify my point of view just in case. I work in the medical field. Practically everyone I know uses the same needle to draw up as well as administer. Maybe I am just cheap from working in the hospital (budgets and all) but I have never found a significant difference in changing the needle as opposed to using the same one. And the only reason that I use a 20g to inject is that to me it is not painful and the oil based drugs go through it easier. It takes long enough to shoot in 2-3cc's through a 20, and still takes significant force. I use a 23g when I use injectable winny. So, no using a 20g does not make me more of a man, it just works for me. I think that people should do whatever they feel most comfortable with. I almost always shoot into my quads and have no detectable scar tissue there. Just my opinion and experiences, do with it what you will.

 

[needsize]

I do not know if you are reffering to me needsize, but I will respond to clarify my point of view just in case. I work in the medical field. Practically everyone I know uses the same needle to draw up as well as administer. Maybe I am just cheap from working in the hospital (budgets and all) but I have never found a significant difference in changing the needle as opposed to using the same one. And the only reason that I use a 20g to inject is that to me it is not painful and the oil based drugs go through it easier. It takes long enough to shoot in 2-3cc's through a 20, and still takes significant force. I use a 23g when I use injectable winny. So, no using a 20g does not make me more of a man, it just works for me. I think that people should do whatever they feel most comfortable with. I almost always shoot into my quads and have no detectable scar tissue there. Just my opinion and experiences, do with it what you will.

a box of tips is abuot $8 where I live, so I cant imagine being that cheap
The part I dont get is the 20g will leave much more scar tissue then a 25g, and while you may not notice any now, you will. I only use a 25g, and it goes easily through it, especially if you run it under hot water for 30 seconds first. And I know in the medical field they use the same tip for drawing and injecting, but they never take from multiple vials before shooting, sometimes I'm drawing from 3 bottles, that will make a significant difference in dulling a tip
I'm guessing by your saying that you only mostly shoot in the quads, that you dont use much in the way of doses or total number of cycles, so if thats the case, then its not going to make as big a difference. But for anyone serious about steroid use, who plans on doing it for a while, I dont see the point of using huge tips and not switching them

 

[stfuhr]

not doing it is stupid at the very least, just because you have never hit a vein, doesnt mean you wont. I've done 100s of shots, in just about every muscle, and thought I never would hit one, but I kept aspirating, and have now hit two veins

I am a newbie, but have been reading the boards for months. I have not seen what to do when you do hit a vein. Do you push the blood back in and then find another spot? Or do you remove the pin with the blood in it, remove the blood and change the pin and reinject? Could the blood cause a clot or scarring? Sorry if this has been answered before, I guess I missed it.

Thanks

 

[needsize]

just pull it out, put it somewhere else, and do it again, you cant hurt anything that way

 

[stfuhr]

Thanks for the response. Not ready to go on yet, but don't want to run into any problems when I do.

 

[needsize]

Thanks for the response. Not ready to go on yet, but don't want to run into any problems when I do.

its definitely good to know these things before starting

 

[sweed]

Thanks for the response. Not ready to go on yet, but don't want to run into any problems when I do.

ya bro... dont rush into it... research it well. know what your puttin in your body, and know what to do when and if u riun into sides. always remember pct

 

[stfuhr]

ya bro... dont rush into it... research it well. know what your puttin in your body, and know what to do when and if u riun into sides. always remember pct

Definately. I'm 36 now and back into hard training for about the last 9 months. (overall about 14 years). I'm 6'5", 298lbs. Single site calipers tell me I'm about 18% BF. Need to get my diet in check before even thinking about AAS. Maybe next year.