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"The amino acid phenylalanine outcompetes all the other at enzyme sites in the body. This suppresses the formation of dopamine from tyrosine and the formation of serotonin from tryptophan. The serotonin is the neurotransmitter that reports carbohydrate metabolism. When your serotonin levels are not allowed to raise as they normally do when you eat carbohydrates you crave more and more food. "
this is very true. i don't touch that stuff anyway...
i've actually known people who get depressed (not sure how or why, i dont know much about it) due to aspartme...
this is very true. i don't touch that stuff anyway...
i've actually known people who get depressed (not sure how or why, i dont know much about it) due to aspartme...
HappyScrappy
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dnp can also cause depression while on it due to the blocking of conversion of tryptophan to seratonin - the latter being the mood controlling chemical that when low is what depression effectively is.
as for nutrasweet, there are people out there fighting against it heavily for whatever their reasons, and then they point to studies that back their ideas, and then ignore the studies against them.
I don't care if people want to have the belief one way or the other, but so far I haven't read a single study that was run even remotely correctly (double blind, proper controls, etc). and frequently you will see them citing a study, but all they really are pointing to is the hypothesis of the study - not even the results...
I haven't followed the link you showed, so I'm not trying to say that is one of those studies... just pointing out my prior observations
as for nutrasweet, there are people out there fighting against it heavily for whatever their reasons, and then they point to studies that back their ideas, and then ignore the studies against them.
I don't care if people want to have the belief one way or the other, but so far I haven't read a single study that was run even remotely correctly (double blind, proper controls, etc). and frequently you will see them citing a study, but all they really are pointing to is the hypothesis of the study - not even the results...
I haven't followed the link you showed, so I'm not trying to say that is one of those studies... just pointing out my prior observations
HappyScrappy
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hmmm, well, for starters that is a link to an anti-drug/anti-drug company site... or a person that expounds on his beliefs that back that mentality.
then the stuff cited there is not backed with anything beyond a doctor's name - just b/c you have an MD with your name doens't mean you are smart or do studies correctly. there are plenty of C student doctor's out there.
this is why they have peer reviewed journals - those are preferrable to read and base and conclusions on (again, this very well might have come from one of those - but nothing points to backing that case)
I'm all for people showing and having opinions one way or the other - but I'd much prefer people went about it in an intelligent way.
then the stuff cited there is not backed with anything beyond a doctor's name - just b/c you have an MD with your name doens't mean you are smart or do studies correctly. there are plenty of C student doctor's out there.
this is why they have peer reviewed journals - those are preferrable to read and base and conclusions on (again, this very well might have come from one of those - but nothing points to backing that case)
I'm all for people showing and having opinions one way or the other - but I'd much prefer people went about it in an intelligent way.
Depression in relationship to seratonin is due to too much of that bugger being produced in your body. MOAIs block the seretonin and SSRIs deter the production of seratonin. If you take tryptophan with and SSRI you will most likely stroke and quite possibly die.
That's why the be drug companies got tryptophan banned in the U.S. Bastards!
That's why the be drug companies got tryptophan banned in the U.S. Bastards!
HappyScrappy
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WODIN said:
Two ways - too much makes you feel good, but it burns out your receptors.
too little and you need to block the reuptake so that the stuff that is there stays around longer.
prosac and the like are the kind that do that.
so you are right... but you left out the other part.
Don't kill the messenger 
I currently drink Crystal Light, a few diet drinks, etc., so don't think I'm saying "Hey, this is why I don't..." I just found that link and figured I'd put it out there...
I agree, most of what I've heard AGAINST Nutrasweet is not scientifically backed, etc.
But...???
I currently drink Crystal Light, a few diet drinks, etc., so don't think I'm saying "Hey, this is why I don't..." I just found that link and figured I'd put it out there...
I agree, most of what I've heard AGAINST Nutrasweet is not scientifically backed, etc.
But...???
I certainly wouldn't expect to see any peer-reviewed journals publishing anything contrary on the aspartame issue. Too controversial and it bucks the system. I have done research on three separate levels and it is hard work, no doubt. Especially in the funding aspect. For instance, if I were to use a 1,000 dollar machine to evaluate toxic levels of a substance, yet a 1 M dollar machine would give better results, then the study is flawed in that the highest study parameters were not used. So perhaps some of the faults in these studies is limitations of cost. But some of them are really really bad.
I would rather see the evidence of how bad this stuff is put to the test of reproducible results...even from independently funded studies, there is some validity to well conducted research. However, to judge aspartame as safe because no peer reviewed journals have published articles to that fact is failing to assess the hand the FDA has in the AMA, which is driven as well by the pharmaceutical companies. Bring heat on one and it could cause a lot of trouble for them all.
I think this is definitely another example of everything in moderation. Anyone who hates aspartame should never eat tomatoes.
I would rather see the evidence of how bad this stuff is put to the test of reproducible results...even from independently funded studies, there is some validity to well conducted research. However, to judge aspartame as safe because no peer reviewed journals have published articles to that fact is failing to assess the hand the FDA has in the AMA, which is driven as well by the pharmaceutical companies. Bring heat on one and it could cause a lot of trouble for them all.
I think this is definitely another example of everything in moderation. Anyone who hates aspartame should never eat tomatoes.
AGENT SHAGWELL
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I LUUUVVV ASPARTAME......and because of this I've had everyone and their mother send me just about every link against it. But look at the research, and the amounts used, study protocols, testing subjects.....you will see in humans in the normal usage, its safe for normal humans. Its gggrreat stuff, and I will give it to my children (unless they have phenylketonuria of course)
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