Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below A store clerk sold an under age kid some booze. The kid and a girl decided to get trashed that night. On the way to wherever the kid was driving, and lost control of the car, slammed the breaks , whatever, flipped the car over a couple times totally trashing it to scrap. The kid suffered some injuries but nothing major. The girl didnt fare to well, as she died. Now authorities are charging THE STORE CLERK with manslaughter and holding him responsible for this.
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manny78
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this is crazy but I understand the reasons why is brought to a court of law....
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MINISTER
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The store clerk should be blamed just as much as the kid.
TxCollegeguy
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in some states the store clerk could still be charged fake id or not...IN Texas you can be charged even if they present a fake id
The drinking age of 21 is a terrible idea.
We tell our younger citizens: you are responsible enough to vote, responsible enough to drive, responsible enough to report to the miltary.....
but nevertheless, you are NOT YET READY (at 18 19 20) to handle that can that says "Budweiser".
Sure, you can vote for the President, or your representative, but PLEASE, whatever you do, keep away from the "Coors Light".
You want to join the Navy and man a gun on a battleship? No prob. You want to take one for the team and be a Purple Heart? Well that's just fine.
But you try and fuck with whatever is in that bottle that reads "Bacardi" and it;s jail for you.
Complete bullshit.
We tell our younger citizens: you are responsible enough to vote, responsible enough to drive, responsible enough to report to the miltary.....
but nevertheless, you are NOT YET READY (at 18 19 20) to handle that can that says "Budweiser".
Sure, you can vote for the President, or your representative, but PLEASE, whatever you do, keep away from the "Coors Light".
You want to join the Navy and man a gun on a battleship? No prob. You want to take one for the team and be a Purple Heart? Well that's just fine.
But you try and fuck with whatever is in that bottle that reads "Bacardi" and it;s jail for you.
Complete bullshit.
TxCollegeguy
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Matt I totally agree with you...I personally feel though, anyone who pays taxes in this country should have full legal rights including voting and drinking....
If we dont want to give that right to anyone under 18 then why should they have to pay taxes?
No taxation without representation????
If we dont want to give that right to anyone under 18 then why should they have to pay taxes?
No taxation without representation????
TX,
For reasons beyod my control, the American public has accepted this "21" thing.
Basically, these women at MADD lobbied hard for it, and now cite the 21 drinking age as the primary reason for the decrease in DWI deaths.
I disagree. I believe that the major reason for the decrease is the spread of education about DWI and its dangers. Another major reason is the improvement of technology in cars.
As a personal example, my younger brother is 18 and he gets drunk like any other 18 year old. What he doesn't do is drive when he is. It is the awareness, not the age.
Go to any college campus and you will see how useless the drinking age is. Oh wait - you are TxCOLLEGE Guy so you already know.
The only thing this horrendous law does is ruin people's lives. It;s sad that someone dies in that acident....why compound youthful ignorance by ruining some poor clown working at a convenience store?
For reasons beyod my control, the American public has accepted this "21" thing.
Basically, these women at MADD lobbied hard for it, and now cite the 21 drinking age as the primary reason for the decrease in DWI deaths.
I disagree. I believe that the major reason for the decrease is the spread of education about DWI and its dangers. Another major reason is the improvement of technology in cars.
As a personal example, my younger brother is 18 and he gets drunk like any other 18 year old. What he doesn't do is drive when he is. It is the awareness, not the age.
Go to any college campus and you will see how useless the drinking age is. Oh wait - you are TxCOLLEGE Guy so you already know.
The only thing this horrendous law does is ruin people's lives. It;s sad that someone dies in that acident....why compound youthful ignorance by ruining some poor clown working at a convenience store?
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Warik
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The store clerk should be charged with nothing more than selling alcohol to someone "underage."
The kid should be charged with second degree murder.
In addition, the 21 year old drinking age is ridiculous. Anyone who wants to drink will drink. It just keeps responsible people from doing so whenever they please.
I think I'm more qualified to consume alcohol than a 35 year old alcoholic wifebeater ex-con wearing smelly clothes, but he's 35 and I'm only almost 20 so I guess I must be wrong.
-Warik
The kid should be charged with second degree murder.
In addition, the 21 year old drinking age is ridiculous. Anyone who wants to drink will drink. It just keeps responsible people from doing so whenever they please.
I think I'm more qualified to consume alcohol than a 35 year old alcoholic wifebeater ex-con wearing smelly clothes, but he's 35 and I'm only almost 20 so I guess I must be wrong.
-Warik
TxCollegeguy
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Yeah I know all about that...I just turned 21 in April...I feel my years of drinking starting at 13 prepared me alot more for being 21 then many of my fellow students. I used to drink WAY too much, no law ever stopped me from drinking.
Anyone under 21 who can't excersise their full legal rights shouldn't have to pay taxes
Anyone under 21 who can't excersise their full legal rights shouldn't have to pay taxes
fiatconspiracy
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If not for the act of the clerk---> then no death.
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Warik
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If not for the act of the boy's mother (i.e. giving birth to him) ----> then no death.
Maybe we should charge her too?
Ridiculous.
Clerk - selling alcohol to someone under 21
Boy - second degree murder
Any other charges would be unfair.
-Warik
Maybe we should charge her too?
Ridiculous.
Clerk - selling alcohol to someone under 21
Boy - second degree murder
Any other charges would be unfair.
-Warik
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Latimer
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Right on Warik! Damn that sounded so 80's. Anyway, had the kid been 21, same outcome. He's the dumbshit that decided to do it. This country is fucked. It makes me sick.
fiatconspiracy
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proximate cause, actual cause, and probably a state statute,
My ex-girlfriend lost her 20 year-old brother when the driver of the car he was in lost control. The driver, also underage, survived unscathed and was drunk.
The family decided to go after the liquor store that sold the beer.
The thing is this: they need to press criminal charges and have the charges stick in order to file a civil suit against the liquor stores' insurance company if they want to see money.
It's the old 'deep pockets' rule about sueing. nYou don't go after the kid responsible, you find an insurance company and get a settlement.
As for my ex-girlfriends family, they wanted $300K and were offered $100K and I don't know how it ended.
All I remember is how good she was at sucking dick.
...a tongue like velvet...
The family decided to go after the liquor store that sold the beer.
The thing is this: they need to press criminal charges and have the charges stick in order to file a civil suit against the liquor stores' insurance company if they want to see money.
It's the old 'deep pockets' rule about sueing. nYou don't go after the kid responsible, you find an insurance company and get a settlement.
As for my ex-girlfriends family, they wanted $300K and were offered $100K and I don't know how it ended.
All I remember is how good she was at sucking dick.
...a tongue like velvet...
fiatconspiracy said:
This is the stupidest statement I've heard all day.
The under-21 kid was OF SOUND MIND when he bought
the alcohol.
The store Clerk had NO DIRECT IMPACT on the decision
of the under-21 kid to buy alcohol.
Sure, he could have asked for ID(assumming the Kid didn't
show a fake ID), but in the long run what would
have it accomplished?
The under-21 Kid would have just gone to another store and
another clerk, and another, and another, until he got
his booze.
All the store clerk can be charged with is negligence. Thats it.
Manslaughter? This is LAUGHABLE. Was he driving
the car? Is he telepathic by some miracle and commanded
the Kid to drive?
Give me a break.
Bet you its the kids family looking for retribution.
And the pitiful part is that they'll probably win.
And another life gets flushed down the toilet
unnecessarily.
Godspeed
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