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Article Considering Roid Rage...No Wonder We Have A Bad Rep

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All in the mind?
Testosterone -- the male hormone -- has gotten a bad rap lately. Name a social ill related to violence -- war, wife-beating, child abuse -- and it's likely been blamed on testosterone and the many closely related compounds.

Medicine's standard answer to the question of whether steroid doping has psychological effects on athletes has been "no," says psychiatrist Harrison Pope of McLean Hospital in Massachusetts. But he says that's a misconception resulting from the fact that medical experimenters cannot ethically give large doses of steroids.

In the lab, testosterone doses would be limited to 300 milligrams per week. Real athletes, Pope notes, take more than 1,000 milligrams, leading to "a whole different ballgame" where psychological symptoms become "common, and can be very severe."

Pope, who sometimes serves as an expert witness in court, says he's been "involved in a dozen murder cases where someone went on steroids and killed somebody without a history of violence or crime beforehand." In one case, a 16-year-old boy was charged with killing his 14-year-old girlfriend. Pope says, "We have no evidence of any criminal or violent activity before he started taking steroids. At that point, he had a series of run-ins with the police, which culminated in the murder. He was convicted and sent up for life."

As the example shows, wives and girlfriends are often the victims of men who are cranked up on steroids. In a study of 88 athletes who used steroids, Pope found 23 percent of current users reporting "major mood disturbances" including mania and major depression. Steroid users also reported aggressive or violent incidents.

...one user, using his fists and a metal bar, seriously damaged three cars, all with their drivers cowering inside, because he had become annoyed by a traffic delay. Another was arrested for causing $1,000 of property damage during a fit of anger at a sporting event; another was arrested for assaulting a motorist; another rammed his head through a wooden door.... Several users reported that they were expelled from their homes by parents, wives, or girlfriends because they became intolerably aggressive. (See "Psychiatric and Medical Effects..." in the bibliography)
But steroids are not only about hyper-masculinity. In this study, as in many others, male users reported larger breasts and smaller testicles. Go figure.
 
Hmm, people kill and commit crime everyday, this is nothing new. Its just a shame that instead of placing responsibility on the individuals that commit the crimes, they find other excuses to use such as drugs.
 
Well we all know that large ammounts of steroids do cause some emotional disturbances. That is a fact. But this roid rage crap i do not buy. Because that same thing can be said for alcohol. How many man beat their girlfriends, wifes and kids because they got drunk and lost self controll. These actions are caused by underlying psychiological problems covered up with self controll. So therefore any compound which will in some way cause a person to become more confident and loose some inhibition will cause this. Hell what about all the kids that are docile and "good" and start to lift weights and become agressive just because they are now stronger and larger but they are not on steroids. So i guess weight training should be monitored too because it may make a male hyper masculine.
Don't get me wrong i think that this doctor has a point. BUT the real issue is that lack of responsibily of some individuals, and lack of self controll. Time to take responsibility for your actions people.


PS.

This is a good point to use to legalize gear. Because it is clear that if "some" of these people would have medical supervision and guidance they would likely stay away from the megadoses and fake, underground made crap. Also legalization would almost completly do away with the black market and then a little 16 year old boy would have a much harder time getting gear and be warned about it by a doctor. So like alcohol, legalize it and legislate it. That is the solution in my mind.
 
It is amazing how much people talk about AS like it is the devil. It really pisses me off considering we have about 1000 more things we should be dealing with rather than use of AS in bodybuilding.

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gwl9dta4 said:
Well we all know that large ammounts of steroids do cause some emotional disturbances. That is a fact. But this roid rage crap i do not buy. Because that same thing can be said for alcohol. How many man beat their girlfriends, wifes and kids because they got drunk and lost self controll. These actions are caused by underlying psychiological problems covered up with self controll. So therefore any compound which will in some way cause a person to become more confident and loose some inhibition will cause this. Hell what about all the kids that are docile and "good" and start to lift weights and become agressive just because they are now stronger and larger but they are not on steroids. So i guess weight training should be monitored too because it may make a male hyper masculine.
Don't get me wrong i think that this doctor has a point. BUT the real issue is that lack of responsibily of some individuals, and lack of self controll. Time to take responsibility for your actions people.


PS.

This is a good point to use to legalize gear. Because it is clear that if "some" of these people would have medical supervision and guidance they would likely stay away from the megadoses and fake, underground made crap. Also legalization would almost completly do away with the black market and then a little 16 year old boy would have a much harder time getting gear and be warned about it by a doctor. So like alcohol, legalize it and legislate it. That is the solution in my mind.



AMEN BROTHA. You speak nothin' but wisdom in your replies to people. Props to ya
 
a little 16 year old boy would have a much harder time getting gear and be warned about it by a doctor. So like alcohol, legalize it and legislate it. [/QUOTE]

A lot of underage drinking occurs regardless of the legality of alcohol. I think your argument is weak in that regard.

On the other hand, I don't believe in "roid rage." I was emotionally unstable as a teenager (diagnosed as clinically depressed, suicidal thinking, etc.) and it had nothing to do with drug use...it's just really tough being a kid. These days I don't get depressed, naturally or otherwise.
 
mlomker said:
a little 16 year old boy would have a much harder time getting gear and be warned about it by a doctor. So like alcohol, legalize it and legislate it.


A lot of underage drinking occurs regardless of the legality of alcohol. I think your argument is weak in that regard.

On the other hand, I don't believe in "roid rage." I was emotionally unstable as a teenager (diagnosed as clinically depressed, suicidal thinking, etc.) and it had nothing to do with drug use...it's just really tough being a kid. These days I don't get depressed, naturally or otherwise.
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Is my argument really so weak? Consider the fact that no law ever curbed 100% what it was meant to. What i was trying to say is this: Imagine what it would be like if alcohol was not legislated? Then you could have every 13 year old buying booze at a local bar. But the current laws provide a level of controll to a fair degree. So my argument is valid and my point was not meant to be absolute. Just an improvement on the current system which turns a blind eye to these issues.
Second the Roid Rage issue does exist, but like i said it is not the sole cause of the rage. I did state that there are always other psychological issue there and gear can, much like alcohol, become a catalyst for such behavior. That is why we need competent medical professionals to educate, administer and monitor. Everyone would benefit.
 
it a proven fact that testosterone and AS makes one more aggressive.....but its up to that individual to make the decision whether he can control it or not.....if you cant control yourself when you are not using then you sure as hell wont be able to do it on....i am a prick whether i am using or not but i can control my actions and that is what it all comes down to.....i would never blame my actions on roids like some losers do.....and you all know who you are
 
Im a natural born asshole, but juice still doesnt drive me or any other person on this board to kill.
 
Ive been doing juice now for about 15 months on and off. As far as affecting my mental condition it hasant really changed me much .When I first started doing it i was worried about how it would pyscholigicaly affect me,but now i know the agressiveness steroids cause is way over exaggerated.Out of the cycles ive done having less than a gram of test in them had not made me noticibly more agressive but more sexually agressive.One cycle i did (1500 mills of t-200 and 3 ccs of refovit a day) had me feeling very frusterated at the traffic when i was going to the gym each morning to the point where i was yelling at the traffic. dom ,
 
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