aromasin dosage ?

[lawnsaver]

See look at that...We all come together on Christmas and solve a problem.

Serge, there is some flaws in your answer. I can not refute that those steroids do not convert to estrogen. Although there are other growth factors, estrogen is needed too. Its not the only factor, but it plays a role.

Can someone shed some light on this aspect of growth?

 

[CanadianBro]

Can someone shed some light on this aspect of growth?

Hey, why not?

Estrogen has both positive and negative effects that you should be aware of. On the positive it supports "good" high density cholesterol, increases muscle glucose utilization for tissue growth and repair, and even increases androgen receptor concentrations in various tissues.

It is now understood that estrogen serves many useful purposes in men, particularly if we are looking for rapid muscle mass gain. If bulking is the goal it is therefore usually advised to hold off on estrogen maintenance compounds until there is a clear need for them.

This brings me to the negative side of estrogen, namely that it can work to hide muscle definition by increasing water retention and fat buildup. It can also promote gynecomastia (gyno) in men if levels get too high.

Since androgens and estrogens playing opposing roles on the disposition of body fat and the growth of mammary tissues, maximizing the ratio between these two hormones is often an important objective, especially when dieting and cutting are key goals or gyno is a worry because strongly aromatized hormones such as testosterone are being used.


How's that?

 

[CanadianBro]

Basically, we all jump on the Anti-E bandwagon because we want to prevent water bloat and gyno however we fail to realize that Estrogen is a key component in getting HUGE.

What's more important?

a) An extra 5-10 pounds or
b) A hard look with a much less chance of gyno.

You can't have both if you use Anti Aromatase agents.

Merry X-Mas!

 

[sk*]

Very good thread, I am glad to say I learned a thing or two here.

-sk

 

[sk*]

Basically, we all jump on the Anti-E bandwagon because we want to prevent water bloat and gyno however we fail to realize that Estrogen is a key component in getting HUGE.

What's more important?

a) An extra 5-10 pounds or
b) A hard look with a much less chance of gyno.

You can't have both if you use Anti Aromatase agents.

Merry X-Mas!

Maybe keeping nolva on hand is the best alternative unless you are prone to gyno.

Wouldn't those 5-10lbs be water anyways?

-sk

 

[CanadianBro]

Maybe keeping nolva on hand is the best alternative unless you are prone to gyno.

Wouldn't those 5-10lbs be water anyways?

-sk

Yes and no.

First of all, Nolva is one of the alternatives that prevent the Gyno but will do little for the water weight.

Second, those 5-10lbs would not only be water. In actuality, it would really be a gain of 10-15 pounts from which 5-10lms would be water while the rest lean mass.

I should have rephrased the 5-10 pounts as "LEAN MUSCLE"

This is just a broad estimate though. By using Anti-Armatase agents, you could very well lose OVER 10lbs of Lean Mass or as little as 1-2lbs. It of course depends on your cycle.

 

[lawnsaver]

Here is a great thread that I found in the archives. It is long, but it sheds a lot of light on the value of estrogen. Believe me, I use Anti-A, but I use them in complete moderation so that I still get some of the benifits of estrogen, but not the bad aspects of it. Its a delicate balance.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...d=110688&highlight=estrogen+and+muscle+growth

 

[mike1107]

would you replace aromasin by femara ?
I'm not gyno prone at all BUT I tend to gain "oestrogen" fat very easily ...should it help ?

 

[lawnsaver]

aromasin is a much better choice than letrozole. Yes, you can substitute aromansin for letrozole

 

[sk*]

Yes and no.

First of all, Nolva is one of the alternatives that prevent the Gyno but will do little for the water weight.

Second, those 5-10lbs would not only be water. In actuality, it would really be a gain of 10-15 pounts from which 5-10lms would be water while the rest lean mass.

I should have rephrased the 5-10 pounts as "LEAN MUSCLE"

This is just a broad estimate though. By using Anti-Armatase agents, you could very well lose OVER 10lbs of Lean Mass or as little as 1-2lbs. It of course depends on your cycle.

What's your reasoning behind this though, I don't get it.

Next cycle I plan on doing 50mg dbol a day without anti-e but will have nolva on hand just in case, I guess i'll find out for sure.

-sk