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Arnolds theories of..

psychedout said:
Arnold theories may lie... but he wasn't a walking pharmacy like today's bodybuilders..
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i just wish he honest about the drugs he used.

From what I read he never used more then 45mg a day, and that was only for his comeback in 80.
Back in the late sixites, guys were using 10, maybe 15mg of d-bol a day. None of this 50mg shit.
 
Everyone takes a good guess at it, but the truth is, some of us may never know. It can't be nowhere near as much as todays guys take. Some may say thats bs, but you see a pro BB near death all the time these days. Tom Prince, Garret, Flex, Michael, Don, all serious health problems. Meanwhile Ferrigno, Arnold, Zane, Robby, etc, etc are all in their 50s and 60's now, and doing great health wise.

ps. Arnolds heart problem was genetic, so let's not bring that bs up.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Tom Prince, Garret, Flex, Michael, Don, all serious health problems. Meanwhile Ferrigno, Arnold, Zane, Robby, etc, etc are all in their 50s and 60's now, and doing great health wise.
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You, re right. Woul that be because of the kind of gear the used? :confused:
 
I don't think it's the type of gear, I think it's the amounts. These guys are pushing it with hgh, high levels of test, slin, and a million other things. Another thing to notice, guys of the past all had a different look. You just don't see that anymore.
 
We may never know. Arnold is hinting around at running for governor of California. Talking about steriods is just not something he is likely to do.

He cannot say he didn't inhale!

Another thing to notice, guys of the past all had a different look. You just don't see that anymore.
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So true. The hugh gut the guys have today is just obsene. I much prefer the greek god like builds of early days of bodybuilding. Arnold, Frank, and a others in the day where almost perfect. Guys today look like turtles....
 
Arnold admitted his steroid use during a Barbara Walters interview in the '70s. It is public info. Also, I read Arnold took 600mg/week of Primobolan, not 200mg.
 
I might be able to believe that arnold took 600mg/week primo with some dbol.....

After all, the man was a genetic freak. His ribcage looks like it was built for a gorilla rather than a human being. I don't think anyone else will ever do the morning/night split, and hit each bodypart 3times per week again. These 2 example just show his freakish genetics.
 
Yep 600mgs. (I guess he took Sunday off from injecting! :) ) And yes, he has openly admitted to using steroids.

The 50mgs of d-bol was OUTRAGEOUS for the time, but that was only a few weeks prior to a contest and if you think about it, it isn't much considering Primo is so mild. Rememember, no anti-e's and no diuretics at that time.

Frank Zane used Armour Thyroid and that was considered high tech pharmaceutical manipulation back then.

One of the main reasons dosages were so conservative was because they knew so little about it. It was "medicine." And people were cautious. By the middle 70's guys started going crazy,and of course, that's when the problems started.
 
yeah ... he had huge guns as a teenager, after not training very long at all. The unauthorized bio "Arnold" has some good pics from his early years as a teen in Europe.
 
Judging from the pics form T3, it looks like the 55 year old Oak is once again "Primosized!"
 
He had great genetics, trained religiously from his teens through his olympia wins, ate correctly and got plenty of rest. I can believe that he only did 600mg primo +50mg dbol/day. No signs of gyno, either, so this leads me to believe that he (as well as ferrigno, zane, etc.) didn't do high doses of test/dbol. I know a guy who did a single 9 week cycle of 40mg/day of dbol only (I KNOW this is all he took) and went from 205 to 230 and stayed at 5-6% bodyfat. No other changes except dietary ones, either. Some just have the great genes.
 
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and by the way..

you can make awesome gains with 200mg primo a week.
 
I have read different theories on this board over the last two years and have everywhere from 200mg primo+ 15mg dbol up to 700mg primo + 150 mg dbol.

The truth in the matter is that there is only ONE person that knows forsure and he's not on this board. That being said.....Arnolds physique was most likely built on freaky genetics and 500+ primo and over 50mgs dbol/day. Again..nobody knows foresure, NOT nelson, NOT sofa Geaorge, NOT anybody.

However there is one thing that IS certain.......whatever dosages he's let slip to the press, it is surely underdosed than what he really took. So if he has claimed to use only 50mg dbol per day, you can count on it being a lot higher!
 
As far as I know, he never discussed dosages publically. Those numbers come from the guys who were in that circle -- still, not irrufutable proof, but probably in the ballpark.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Yep 600mgs. (I guess he took Sunday off from injecting! :) ) And yes, he has openly admitted to using steroids.

The 50mgs of d-bol was OUTRAGEOUS for the time, but that was only a few weeks prior to a contest and if you think about it, it isn't much considering Primo is so mild. Rememember, no anti-e's and no diuretics at that time.

Frank Zane used Armour Thyroid and that was considered high tech pharmaceutical manipulation back then.

One of the main reasons dosages were so conservative was because they knew so little about it. It was "medicine." And people were cautious. By the middle 70's guys started going crazy,and of course, that's when the problems started.
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Nelson (cough hint hint cough) I'd love to see a well written and well researched article on what the pros really used back then.
 
yeah pro's use more gear nowadays but they are also way bigger so...........and who knows what the fuck they took or arnold. shit nobody really knows what i have taken and i don';t mean shit so why would he tell people what he exactly took at what dosages
 
I heard he did these three stacks


at different times in a cycle leading up to competition




1) DBOL + PRIMO

2) Deca + Winnie

3) Test Suspension + Primo
 
All this crap on what he did whatever he did it was a good amount of the basic gear.......And he made great gains from that.
 
since you guys are on the topic, thought I might be able to sneak in a question (hoping Nelson has the time to respond):

I'll be doing primo for my next cycle, and probably just primo. I'm kind of stuck though trying to figure out how much to take. I'm not Arnold, so 600 is way too much for me. I've read that the more I take, the more it's going to shut me down(even primo will shut you down in high doses). I can't decide between doing 200 or 400/week.

I'm 32, this will be my third cycle, and I'm 5'9 173lbs. I'd be a very happy camper if I could get to 185 and hold on to most of it.
 
Saw Arnold on TV last night, he really looks amazing for his age in T3.
He said and I quote " I was in great shape for the movie, I trained very hard for 2-3hs a day, everyday, for months."
Now, for the juice...WE WILL NEVER KNOW!
 
babbabuee said:
since you guys are on the topic, thought I might be able to sneak in a question (hoping Nelson has the time to respond):

I'll be doing primo for my next cycle, and probably just primo. I'm kind of stuck though trying to figure out how much to take. I'm not Arnold, so 600 is way too much for me. I've read that the more I take, the more it's going to shut me down(even primo will shut you down in high doses). I can't decide between doing 200 or 400/week.

I'm 32, this will be my third cycle, and I'm 5'9 173lbs. I'd be a very happy camper if I could get to 185 and hold on to most of it.
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As much as an advocate for low doses as I am, I belive 200 mgs a week is a waste.

400 mgs of Primo a wk with just 10 mgs of D-bol a day for 3-4 weeks is VERY conservative and will yield nice gains if you eat enough and train hard enough.
 
Is there anybody out there who has a copy of arnolds unauthorized biography??

Does anyone even know the author?
Much appreciated.
 
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