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Arnold Schwartznegger: Steroids or Genetics?

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First of all, this is an analysis of him, not a critique - so please don't flame me (keep responces intellegent please)


I keep hearing how arnold had super genetics and so on. But were they superior or average?


I saw lots of his photos at young age and I have to say that he juiced since 16.... s
:)


He started training at like 14 ( at 13 he wanted to have the greatest body ever). At 16 I saw his pictures (after atleast a year of training). HE DID NOT LOOK THAT BIG. He was cut, but after a year of training I would expect him to be MUCH BIGGER. He was like 170 pounds at about 6'2. Clearly we see that for some reason he wasn't huge.

For example Marcus Ruhl at 20 (before he even started to work out). Was much muscular than arnold (after 1 year of training for arnold).

Now schwartznegger WAS TRAINING correctly. He was doing a lot of compound/powerlifting moves which should have made him blow up (literally).

But later at 16 something happpened.... He got much bigger and after that he he could put an inch on his biceps each month. Why did that happen? Shouldn't that happen when he just started lifting??? Ummm.... beginer gains everyone, where are they? Why did his muscle growth suddenly accelerated?
If his muscles started growing huge from the begining than I would have no doubts.... But now I doubt his genetics...

And so the clear answer is STEROIDS! Well he had FEW above averages (chest and arms), nthe rest he was average guy. However his genetics were not as good as todays pros have. T

Hey, he is a businessman not a Flex Wheeler!

Pictures of arnold are found best aat Arnolds Modern Bodybuilding encyclopedia. (revised edition)


What do you think? Please post INTELLIGENT REPLIES! I know I know, arnold rocks and all, but through steroids or genetics?:fro: :mix: :mix: :mix:
 
PsychoSkitz said:


It's called hitting puberty.
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exactly....It was a growth spurt. No matter how much bigger
today's pros are, I've never seen anyone with as clean a shoulder
to waist taper as arnold. He truly was the man and was way ahead
of his time.
 
Oh come on! There are thousands of guys on 'roids but there arent' thousands of physiques as good as Arnold's.

Arnold had great genetics. You can't change the shape of you muscle (Ok, synthol) you can just make it bigger or smaller... The muscle shape is genetic.

Did you see lee preist when he was 13?? Do you think his physique is better than Arnolds was?
 
There is no question that he did do steroids in his prime, but to say that he was not geneticly ahead of his time, well you're not to bright. Why in the hell do you think he is STILL compared to todays bodybuilders?? It is rediculous to say that his genetics had nothing to do with it. If that was the case, you would be up there on stage with Flex.
 
Why would you even take into account his development at such a young age? If you're going to talk genetics, then at least judge him AFTER his genes have had a chance to properly express themselves. If you has a blueprint for a muscle car, would you judge its greatness half way through the building process? I don't think so...."On the day of the competition, Arnold is your Father"
 
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handsomeboymodelingschool said:
Genetics + Roids. He obviously used roids. Nobody was as big as him. Don't tell me he got that way from just protein.
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nice to see you know everything. oh by the way, nice name, once again:)
 
HE USED ROIDS

Arnold used roids! He use to go on David Letterman and admit to it. But roids do not make the man; Genetics are also a Very BIG factor. I have been lurking around, and I can tell you, roids do NOT make freaks. It is A LOT of hard work and body type. If you doubt me, just look at some of the pics that have been submitted by people takin gear. Should save their money and just go get pec implants or something like that.
 
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I think Arnold had skinny legs, IMO. Others had much better legs than he did, but I don't think judges really cared as much about legs then.

Maybe they still don't, but back then, they (the Pro's) surely didn't have the leg development they do now, except, of course, Tom Platz. But their chest and arms were just as big as today's Pro's. And they didn't have the massive stomachs that the guys do today.
 
Andy13 said:
Oh come on! There are thousands of guys on 'roids but there arent' thousands of physiques as good as Arnold's.

Arnold had great genetics. You can't change the shape of you muscle (Ok, synthol) you can just make it bigger or smaller... The muscle shape is genetic.

Did you see lee preist when he was 13?? Do you think his physique is better than Arnolds was?
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Lee Priests phisque is better than arnolds (other than his height)!

But I am not talking about Arnolds Phisique. I am talking about how he got it.
 
PsychoSkitz said:


It's called hitting puberty.
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Puberty at 16? LMAO that is early! ( I mean late :rolleyes: ).


testerone from puberty starts to come at 15-14. Not 16! 16 is kinda late,.....
 
AnabolicDiabetic said:
Why would you even take into account his development at such a young age? If you're going to talk genetics, then at least judge him AFTER his genes have had a chance to properly express themselves. If you has a blueprint for a muscle car, would you judge its greatness half way through the building process? I don't think so...."On the day of the competition, Arnold is your Father"
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Because he didnt start steroids yet!

And judging his genese from end result is questionable because he used steroids!

ANd yes judging greatsness of a car by its half way through is GOOD. You can see from the begining if the car is big or small, designed to be fast or slow. etc
 
Arnold had great upper body genetics, but he had terrible TERRIBLE lower body genetics. His wheels were really sticks. He had a great chest, a huge wide back, excellent arms, but his legs looked like ass. He had to take about two years off heavy cycling to bring them up. He was basically that guy you see with the massive ape-like upper body and no legs, but the difference is he had the will power and the perserverance to take care of that little problem.
His didn't display the thickness of todays pros, but his proportions were pretty crazy. If I'm not mistaken he could do a stomach vacuum/lat spread on stage that gave him a 50-something inch chest and a 33 inch waist. Name on pro today that could do that.
I once read (and I believe this statement was made by one of the Mentzers...prolly Mike) that the bodybuilder that comes in third place today wouldn't lose a contest back in Arnold's era. Check out pictures of any big contest like the NOC, Arnie Classic, or Olympia and see what he was talking about. He very well could be right.
 
SSAlexSS said:
First of all, this is an analysis of him, not a critique - so please don't flame me (keep responces intellegent please)


I keep hearing how arnold had super genetics and so on. But were they superior or average?


I saw lots of his photos at young age and I have to say that he juiced since 16.... s
:)


He started training at like 14 ( at 13 he wanted to have the greatest body ever). At 16 I saw his pictures (after atleast a year of training). HE DID NOT LOOK THAT BIG. He was cut, but after a year of training I would expect him to be MUCH BIGGER. He was like 170 pounds at about 6'2. Clearly we see that for some reason he wasn't huge.

For example Marcus Ruhl at 20 (before he even started to work out). Was much muscular than arnold (after 1 year of training for arnold).

Now schwartznegger WAS TRAINING correctly. He was doing a lot of compound/powerlifting moves which should have made him blow up (literally).

But later at 16 something happpened.... He got much bigger and after that he he could put an inch on his biceps each month. Why did that happen? Shouldn't that happen when he just started lifting??? Ummm.... beginer gains everyone, where are they? Why did his muscle growth suddenly accelerated?
If his muscles started growing huge from the begining than I would have no doubts.... But now I doubt his genetics...

And so the clear answer is STEROIDS! Well he had FEW above averages (chest and arms), nthe rest he was average guy. However his genetics were not as good as todays pros have. T

Hey, he is a businessman not a Flex Wheeler!

Pictures of arnold are found best aat Arnolds Modern Bodybuilding encyclopedia. (revised edition)


What do you think? Please post INTELLIGENT REPLIES! I know I know, arnold rocks and all, but through steroids or genetics?:fro: :mix: :mix: :mix:
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arnolds genetics were indeed superior, but from what i know, his favorite cycle was dbol and primo and he began using steroids during his late teens.
 
SS...maybe I wasn't clear enough in my last post here...that was intellectual speak for - this thread is bullsh*t
 
"A questions that goes persistently unanswered is probably just the wrong question"
 
Look at Arnold in Conan, now look at Arnold in End of Days. Hmm, he seemed to of shrunk. After stroke I have heard he laid off juice. And back then it was alot easier to obtain.
 
OK Alex.......since you're saying it's ALL ROIDS. Lets see your pics......if your on roids you must be just as big as THE MAN! I bet you dont even tred water compared to him:o
 
juice + genetics = greatness

people can jusice all they want and never look like arnold. Arnie never denied taking the juice - every one did it back then - it was legal.
 
I find it very interesting how his jaw and forehead seemed to keep growing and growing and growing, year after year :p
 
i disagree

qoute:

"the bodybuilder that comes in third place today wouldn't lose a contest back in Arnold's era"

You can put that the other way around also. Meaning, take a BB from today who only had access to the drugs Arnold had and put him back into the seventies. Is that guy going to beat Arnold?

Make Arnold (or Sergio) 30 years younger, give them access to whatever Coleman uses, and who will win you think.

Forget about genetics, that's nice for naturals. Arnold's drive to win, his willpower to be the best, that's what made the difference. He was know for burning out training partners, they just couldn't keep up with him.

To put this very simple. You cannot compare a car of the seventies with a car of 25 years later.

Lee Haney won the Olympia 8 times. All of a sudden he had great genetics. Well in the seventies he trained at Gold's, where Arnold and the others trained. Why didn't he ever beat Arnold? What took him so long? Certainly not his genetics.
 
Arnold had good genetics, but not great. His legs were terrible. Also in the old encyclopedia he admits to using roids so whats the big secret. He admitted to it but said he only used after he hit his potential.

Arnold had great arms & waist/shoulder ratio. Thats it. I feel some of the bodybuilders back then were better than arnold. Surge & Olivio were truly remarkable but so was Franco Colombo, ever see franco's lats? His definition in the chest, I mean so guys were more genetically gifted than arnold. Arnold was just in the right place at the right time.

bbd.
 
tO LOOK LIKE ARNOLD YOU MUST HAVE GREAT GENITICS AND HIT THE SAUCE...
 
no one really knows when he started or what he exactly did!! that's what makes him the man, gifted special ...whatever you want to call it!!
 
forget his legs but his biceps were awesome, guess all will agree no pro of today has such biceps
 
He had to of had some good roids,but he did have awsome genetics... like this guy has
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BigBootyDaddy

Are you serious? Franco better then Arnold. Serge Nubret? Come on Serge had no calves.
The only one who could nail Arnold, but was not allowed to do so was Sergio. By the way Sergio was born 30 years too soon.
But Arnold had it all. Body and brains.
 
Yellowbomber said:
forget his legs but his biceps were awesome, guess all will agree no pro of today has such biceps
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Ronnie Coleman has bigger biceps and he is only 5'11 compare to arnold who is 6'2.

So no only ronnies biceps looked bigger, they were bigger as well..
 
I understand he initially first used a stack of plain old Primo and Dbol for his early years.
I'd put this down to 60% genetics and 40% gear.
 
Yeah I agree with Tiger that it was 60% genetics and 40% gear, genetics did play a large part. The size for todays bodybuilders are due to the great advancement in drugs and medicine today. Although, bodybuilders of Arnolds time would definitely do just as well, if not better, if supplied with today's gear. Someone said that Franco looked better than arnold. I think he has the greatest upper chest development of any bodybuilder, and that was back in the day too!
 
GREAT GENETICS MIXED WITH LOTS OF ROIDS AND PROPER WIEGHT LIFTING .....

BUT THIS WILL BE SOMETHING TALKED ABOUT FOR 100 YRS

ONLY ONE PERSON KNOWS AND HE HASNT E MAILED ME BACK YET AND PROBABLY WONT...
 
Arnold had superhuman genetics, not only muscle size and shape but even more importantly ITS AMAZING ABILITY TO RESPOND TO JUICE. Millions of people juice but not all of them have bodies that respond to roids the way Arnolds did. You either have it or u dont...no amount of juice can change your genetics. BTW Sergio Oliva was BETTER than Arnold.
 
My brother went to youth jail at 16 a skinny little shit and came out one big ass mofo at 17. I know that he wasn't on juice. Growth spert while training, eating and sleeping right equals HUGE gains. He put on over 40lbs and was 2 inches taller.
Later
 
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