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Army Ranger thread

frorider6

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I know there's a lot of military guys on here so I wanted to start a thread dedicated to the Army Rangers (and possibly all special forces).

I should know within the week if I've been accepted to OCS. I definetly want to get into Ranger School too. But what is involved in being an officer and a Ranger? What is Ranger School like? How hard is it to get in? Once a Ranger, how much time is spent deployed? What is a typical day back at home like for a Ranger?




Related thread from a guy in Airborne School with some really cool posts.
Hello From Airborne School
 
Most, if not all Ranger Officers must be a First Lt. but have prior service as an NCO....As for Ranger School, the only thing I can say is Hungry, Tired, bugs, or cold depending on the time of year you go....

You are deployed or in training quite alot during the year, more in the field than in the barracks....If you are married, it's very hard on the realtionship...

Ranger
 
Now I'd like you guys to explain the difference between the Green Berets, the Ranger, Delta Force.......... and between the Navy Seals and the DEVGRU. I mean Who's the Best. Which one is harder to get in and what are their specific task.

Thanks.
 
The Ranger said:
Most, if not all Ranger Officers must be a First Lt. but have prior service as an NCO....

Well shit. I hope that's not true. I have prior service but it was Air Force and I was only an E4.
 
Just found this information. Excerpts...

http://www.goarmy.com/job/branch/75th/officer.html#infanoff
Officers: How to Join the Rangers

The 75th Ranger Regiment is a flexible, highly-trained, and rapidly-deployable light infantry force with specialized skills that enables it to be employed against a variety of conventional and special operations targets. This elite unit is an ALO-1, Personnel Priority Group-1 unit committed to excellence in combat performance. All members of the 75th Ranger Regiment are volunteers who must pass a stringent selection and assessment program before being assigned. The 75th Ranger Regiment offers unprecedented opportunities for professional growth and development.

WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR ASSIGNMENT?

LIEUTENANTS :

OFFICER BASIC COURSE GRADUATE
SUCCESSFUL TROOP EXPERIENCE
AIRBORNE QUALIFIED
ALL INFANTRY OFFICERS RANGER QUALIFIED


LIEUTENANT & WARRANT OFFICER POSITIONS:
INFANTRY

LT
Rifle Platoon Leader
Mortar Platoon Leader
Company XO
Support Platoon Leader
RRD XO


WHEN TO APPLY?

** The very earliest the Regiment can get an officer PCSd is 18 months time-on-station. This is applicable for all assignments except short tours. Some very good officers have not been selected, because they waited too long to submit a packet. Send it early.

LIEUTENANTS:

Normal Tour: Apply when you have 8 months time-on-station
Short Tour: Apply when you have 6 months time-on-station

Seems my best bet is to go Infantry.
 
manny78 said:
Now I'd like you guys to explain the difference between the Green Berets, the Ranger, Delta Force.......... and between the Navy Seals and the DEVGRU. I mean Who's the Best. Which one is harder to get in and what are their specific task.

Thanks.

Green Berets are US Army Special Forces, they are the one that will do contact with the locals and train them fot subversive war yadda yadda.

Rangers: Are the Elite Parachutist and are shock infantry.

Delta Forces are a unit from the Green Beret, but they are specialized in Counter Terrorism and in operation similar to UK SAS.

Navy Seals: Are sailors that got bored of cleaning ships aboard USS Nowhere and they are Hyped a bit too much: They are the one responsible for seaborne ops(in theory)

Devgru is the Delta of the Seals.




In my humble opinion the US has too much Spec Ops, and they created a new one again YEAH

fun to see what will happen if the right hand will know what the left does.
 
manny78 said:
Now I'd like you guys to explain the difference between the Green Berets, the Ranger, Delta Force.......... and between the Navy Seals and the DEVGRU. I mean Who's the Best. Which one is harder to get in and what are their specific task.

Thanks.

Rangers are like elite army infantry. Airborne, gather intel, recon. They technically aren't consided special forces. Generally a tougher and smarter breed of soldier.

Green Berets are the Army's special forces. I think they still use 12 man teams. Each man specializes in something, but all are cross-trained. They choose which region of the globe to train for, I think there's 5 different areas to choose from. They do covert ops behind the enemy lines. A lot of which has to do with training guerilla forces to overthrow the local governments and what not. They're also considered a force multiplier, meaning a team of 12 Green Berets is like having 50 regular soldiers, capability wise.

Seals are the Navy's special forces, capable of attacking by Sea Air and Land (SEAL). The first iteration of these men were the frogmen specializing in underwater demolition and stuff of that nature.

The Marines have Force Recon for their special forces units. I'm least familiar with this group.

They all do covert missions and special ops.

Delta Force is a whole different ballgame. They are hand picked and mainly deal with counterterrorist/CIA stuff. They are as elite a group as you're going to get. They can't even acknowledge the fact they are in Delta Force, which for years never officially "existed". Highly trained for combat (especially urban) and highly intelligent.

I'm not even going to touch which groups are the hardest to get into training wise, but Delta is definately the hardest to get in overall. In fact most people have no idea they have even been started on the screening process to join Delta, untill quite some time into it.

This all based on what I have read in various books, I've never been in the service. So take it as you will.
 
They are all the best at what specific tasks they train in....as for "D" Boys, they are generally looking for an educated solider who can operate and make sound manuvers under the most diverse conditions....generally you must be at least an E-5 or better on a second enlistment of three years or more...

All have special qualification courses and can infiltrate whether by sea air or land, though the SEALS once again specialize in this type operation....as of right now, there are no Marines units associated with SOCOM or JSOC.

Ranger
 
Let us not forget the Air Force CCT and PJ's....two very skilled groups, and a nice way to enter Special Op's...IMO.

Ranger
 
frorider6 said:
But what is involved in being an officer and a Ranger? What is Ranger School like? How hard is it to get in? Once a Ranger, how much time is spent deployed? What is a typical day back at home like for a Ranger?



I spent 4 years as an officer in two differerent Ranger Battalions. I will address your questions later this pm when I get back from this meeting I have to run off to right now...:fro:
 
3Vandoo said:


Green Berets are US Army Special Forces, they are the one that will do contact with the locals and train them fot subversive war yadda yadda.

Rangers: Are the Elite Parachutist and are shock infantry.

Delta Forces are a unit from the Green Beret, but they are specialized in Counter Terrorism and in operation similar to UK SAS.

Navy Seals: Are sailors that got bored of cleaning ships aboard USS Nowhere and they are Hyped a bit too much: They are the one responsible for seaborne ops(in theory)

Devgru is the Delta of the Seals.




In my humble opinion the US has too much Spec Ops, and they created a new one again YEAH

fun to see what will happen if the right hand will know what the left does.

Oh my God the Delta of the Seals..... lol Damn I'm lost but anyway. Very different from us poor Canadians with our JTF2... :)

The Ranger, by best I meant if you guys had to choose one group to go ? What would be your pick ? My understanding is the Delta seem to be hardest to get in and the one with the most difficult tasks.
 
USMC are considering a special force unit to be associated with SOCOM,
not sure if its official or not. I was sent the news last week, did a quick read, but deleted it.
 
manny78 said:


Oh my God the Delta of the Seals..... lol Damn I'm lost but anyway. Very different from us poor Canadians with our JTF2... :)

The Ranger, by best I meant if you guys had to choose one group to go ? What would be your pick ? My understanding is the Delta seem to be hardest to get in and the one with the most difficult tasks.

Delta or SEAL Team Six, Red Cell is no more...as for the civi world, the FBI HRT Teams are pretty damn good too, and less red tape for certain things...

Ranger
 
frorider6 said:
I know there's a lot of military guys on here so I wanted to start a thread dedicated to the Army Rangers (and possibly all special forces).

I should know within the week if I've been accepted to OCS. I definetly want to get into Ranger School too. But what is involved in being an officer and a Ranger? What is Ranger School like? How hard is it to get in? Once a Ranger, how much time is spent deployed? What is a typical day back at home like for a Ranger?


Fro,

With all apologies due to "The Ranger", no one can answer this more accurately than I can.

First, Ranger school is just a school. It is not affiliated with the Ranger Regiment, instead, it is run by teh Ranger Training Brigade. However, soldiers in the Ranger Regiment must complete the school prior to becoming NCO's, and all officers in the Ranger Regiment must be Ranger Qualified prior to joining. (even supply types).

Conversely, going to Ranger school does not earn you a spot in the Ranger Regiment.

Any officer can go to ranger school.

During OCS, you will be assigned to a branch, such as infantry, field artillery, armor...there are 17 of them. After OCS, you attend the officer Basic Course for your branch. Depending on your branch, and in some cases your performance at the Officer Basic Course, (OBC) you will be "slotted" for certain Army schools after OBC. You will still be a second lt. - that is OK to go to Ranger school.

If you want to go to ranger school, request infantry as your branch. You will go to Airborne and Ranger school if you are an infantry officer.

If you can't get infantry, you can get Ranger school coming out of Armor OBC, engineer OBC (combat engineer not civil), Field Artillery OBC, and Air Defense Artillery OBC. Those branches are collectively known as Combat Arms (along with infantry). However, onmly as an infantry officer is it highly desirbale, and you can get a second chance if you fail out / get hurt.

if you get assigned to a non-combat arms branch, you won't get Ranger School after OBC unless you pay someone (or pull out teh knee pads). The Army doesn't deem Ranger School worthwhile for their non-combat leaders.

Now, as The Ranger said above, to get into the Ranger Regiment as an officer, you have to be a First Lt., and a lot of them are prior enlisted.


What is Ranger school? 61 days of food deprived, sleep deprived infantry training, interspersed among Ft Benning, the mountains of Northern GA and the swamps of Northern Florida. It isn't super hard, but it really really really sucks.

I am all typed out. If you have more questions, PM me. I'll give you my number and you can call if you want. the rest of your questions are more pertinent to life in the Ranger Regiment, which I'd be happy to discuss with you too. although, it will be a few years before you can get there.


Matt
 
Thank you Matt, a much better answer than I could give....heh heh heh...In the 1st Bat. I worked for a living...heh heh heh

Just digging on ya Bro....Go with Matt on this Fro....

Ranger
 
manny78 said:


Oh my God the Delta of the Seals..... lol Damn I'm lost but anyway. Very different from us poor Canadians with our JTF2... :)

The Ranger, by best I meant if you guys had to choose one group to go ? What would be your pick ? My understanding is the Delta seem to be hardest to get in and the one with the most difficult tasks.


No, The D boys or the Dark Sides are not different from the Canadian they have both permanent liaison officers between the two units. And often the Cat nuts will go some fun at the lil house of horror at Braggs. Delta is yes the hardest because it is the creme de la creme of the US Army Special Forces, in theory. There also the creme de la creme de la creme which is SAS (Special Action Staff) that is own by the CIA and recruited from all the elements of USSFGs.

Anyway wont go over there because US Spec ops give me headaches, there too much of them,
ok they have all a "particular" raison d'être, but ............:bday:

To go Delta you must be either be a US SF operator or Ranger, and pass all the batteries of test from Psy tests to the Cooper Test. Then you switch a complete and new mentality.


sheez now I have an headache


:bawling:
 
Re: Re: Army Ranger thread

MattTheSkywalker said:

With all apologies due to "The Ranger", no one can answer this more accurately than I can.

However, soldiers in the Ranger Regiment must complete the school prior to becoming NCO's, and all officers in the Ranger Regiment must be Ranger Qualified prior to joining. (even supply types).

If you can't get infantry, you can get Ranger school coming out of Armor OBC, engineer OBC (combat engineer not civil), Field Artillery OBC, and Air Defense Artillery OBC.

if you get assigned to a non-combat arms branch, you won't get Ranger School after OBC unless you pay someone

Now, as The Ranger said above, to get into the Ranger Regiment as an officer, you have to be a First Lt., and a lot of them are prior enlisted.


I respectfully beg to differ Matt, you are not the resident expert here. A few minor corrections from someone who has more recent experience as an Officer in the Ranger Regiment:

Only 11 and 13 series (infantry and forward observers) are required to complete Ranger School before becoming an NCO, although it is encouraged/desirable for all, to include cooks,etc.

Not all officers are required to have a tab either. The Battalion Surgeon is not required to, and neither is the Chaplain or Commo Warrant, although again, it is highly encouraged and most at least try.

It is difficult to get into Ranger school unless you are an infantry guy, even coming out of a different combat arms obc. It is a cost issue for most of these non-infantry branches. It is hard to justify sending a LT to Ranger school if he is an Air Defender or Engineer. Field Artillery (my branch) is a little easier because the Regiment always needs Fire Support Officers.

Speaking of non-combat arms branches. You neglected to mention Military Intelligence and Signal. There are a lot of these officers in the Regiment, and they all are tabbed.

Finally, it is not unusual to see a 2LT in the Regiment. Every Battalion Chemical Officer I've ever seen there was a 2LT, and often times a guy with prior Ranger Regiment experience as an enlisted guy or someone coming from their first assignment in Korea will arrive as a 2LT.
 
frorider6 said:
Once a Ranger, how much time is spent deployed? What is a typical day back at home like for a Ranger?

You can expect to be deployed away from home about two weeks a quarter (every 3 months). Also local training will keep you out of your bed about a week a month.

A "typical" garrison day at home would start with challenging PT including running 3-6 miles at a 7 min mile pace or so, spending time lifting weights in the gym or a 10-12 mile road march with 50lb ruck.

After a hearty breakfast in the mess hall you might do some training with special equipment, do an airborne operation, teach or attend some type of military instruction, or go to the range to fire various types of weapons.

Your duty day will likely include some type of counseling with soldiers, and will be over at a reasonable time, probably around 1800. Most Rangers know how to have a good time after work too. :fro:
 
Re: Re: Army Ranger thread

ttlpkg said:


You can expect to be deployed away from home about two weeks a quarter (every 3 months). Also local training will keep you out of your bed about a week a month.

While my soon-to-be-wife won't agree, it doesn't seem too bad. Definetly not as bad as I thought.

ttlpkg said:

A "typical" garrison day at home would start with challenging PT including running 3-6 miles at a 7 min mile pace or so, spending time lifting weights in the gym or a 10-12 mile road march with 50lb ruck.

After a hearty breakfast in the mess hall you might do some training with special equipment, do an airborne operation, teach or attend some type of military instruction, or go to the range to fire various types of weapons.

Your duty day will likely include some type of counseling with soldiers, and will be over at a reasonable time, probably around 1800. Most Rangers know how to have a good time after work too. :fro:

Sounds like summer camp on steroids! :FRlol: Also sounds like WAY to much fucking fun! :D

Thanks for all the responses guys. I think I'm going to keep my main goal as helicopter pilot, which is kinda like buying a lottery ticket (possible but not likely). After that, my choices will be MI then Infantry. I'd also like to go Combat Engineer but only if there's a chance I'd get to go to the school.
 
Is it common for Rangers to get the Ranger Tab and/or Ribbon tattooed on their arm?

And for you guys that have "been there done that", let's hear some stories.
 
I have helped out in RIP a few times...I always loved the "Cherries" that came to RIP the 1st day with Ranger shit on their arm....They had nothing but extra fun and excitement....

Ranger
 
The Ranger said:
I have helped out in RIP a few times...I always loved the "Cherries" that came to RIP the 1st day with Ranger shit on their arm....They had nothing but extra fun and excitement....

Ranger

No fucking way was I considering that!!!! I'm not THAT stupid.

I was just wondering if it was tradition to get a tat after completeing Ranger School. Or maybe getting some other tat after some significant landmark.
 
Not really...most don't even have them Fro...and if you have American shit inked all over your arm, and deploy to another country...sorta defeats the purpose...<wink>

Ranger
 
The Ranger said:
Not really...most don't even have them Fro...and if you have American shit inked all over your arm, and deploy to another country...sorta defeats the purpose...<wink>

Ranger

I have no ink. I wouldn't consider getting it either unless it had some significance. Guess I'll just stay ink free.

So how about those stories Ranger. You must have done some cool shit. Or were you a Chairborne Ranger? :D
 
The Meaning(s) of Hooah.

Hooah (who-ah), adj. U.S. Army or Marine Slang. Referring to, or meaning anything and everything except "no." Generally used when at a loss for words. Also:

1. Good copy, solid copy, roger, good or great; message received, understood.

2. Glad to meet you, welcome.

3. I do not know, but will check on it, I haven't the vaguest idea.

4. I am not listening.

5. That is enough of your drivel--sit down.

6. Stop sniveling.

7. You've got to be kidding.

8. Yes.

9. Thank you.

10. Go to the next [briefing] slide.

11. You have taken the correct action.

12. I don't know what that means, but am too embarrassed to ask for clarification.

13. That is really neat, I want one too.

14. Amen.
 
I'm not a ranger or anything....I don't even play one on TV. But I feel it necessary to infect this thread with weak civilian passivitivitity.

As you were.
 
How many guys in special forces are "on"? How openly is it discussed? Do the docs even write scripts for the guys?
 
As you guys can tell, I'm trying to make this the repository for all questions and information regarding Army Rangers.

Here's a cool article I found on Ranger School.



Army Ranger School: All they can be ... and more


Part One of Two
September 7, 1999 — Glassy-eyed, I sat at my computer trying to type. I wanted to capture some of the images of the previous 17 hours while they were still fresh in my mind.

But I was tired. I put my head in my hands. I needed to organize my thoughts. There were so many.

I returned my eyes to the blank screen. Then I noticed my hands. They were green. I forgot that I hadn't yet removed all of the camouflage paint from my face.

"So when did Army Ranger training become a sport?" asked one of my colleagues. The name of this column is Sporting Life, after all.

"Well, we did some hiking," I said, too tired to explain more. "That could be considered a sport."

And we did hike — Ranger style — with little food, even less sleep, big guns and an enemy that could strike at any moment.

War isn't a sport. It's life or death.

Are the students at the Army Ranger school in Dahlonega, Ga. athletes? I don't know.

I'm just glad they're on our side.

0545 hours, arrive at Camp Frank D. Merrill, Dahlonega: Nestled in the seemingly serene mountains of Northeast Georgia sits Camp Merrill, home of phase two of the U.S. Army Ranger School and training grounds for some of the fiercest soldiers the world has ever seen.

The brutal 61-day Ranger Course, which begins at Fort Benning in Columbus and ends at Camp James E. Rudder in Florida, attracts the best the Army has to offer. It is designed to enhance the soldier's ability to plan and execute small-unit combat missions in wooded, lowland swamp and mountainous environments.

The course is intentionally tough, designed to simulate the extreme mental and physical stress of battle ... and then some. Many students don't make it. Some of them elect to be "recycled" and try the course again. Others simply give up.

Upon completing the course and passing all of its requirements, students earn the right to wear the prestigious Ranger tab. The tab, a small green patch that reads "RANGER," is modest but it signifies the adorned is the epitome of the U.S. infantryman.

Now Ranger-qualified, the graduates return to their original duties in the Army, prepared to assume a leadership role in any combat situation, trained to call upon the savage tactics of the Army Ranger when necessary.

0553, contact with Private Patrick E. Heffernan: My mission for the day was to "go walking" with Bravo Company on its field training exercise (FTX) in the mountains. Heffernan's mission was to go with me.

We quickly breezed through the technicalities. I signed countless waivers and was outfitted with a battle-dress uniform, a patrolling cap, boots and a 30-pound rucksack.

I bombarded Hef with questions. I still wasn't exactly sure what to expect. He responded briefly, politely.

"I'm sorry to rush you, sir, but this is my last day and I want to ride in a helicopter," said Heffernan, 23, of Tyrone, Ga., a soldier in the Ranger Regiment who was about to receive a medical discharge.

0730, "camo-ing up": There is an art to applying camouflage to the face. Use the dark end of the camo stick first. Color in the forehead, take it down the nose, then the chin. Draw from nose to ear, from nose down the neck. Fill in the rest with lime green.

"Did I do all right?" I asked Hef.

"Roger. You're good to go," he said.

0752, helicopter ride to Chestnut LZ: The roar of a UH-60 Blackhawk is unmistakable.

"Sounds like our ride," said one of the Ranger Instructors, or RIs, with whom we were heading out to meet the students. We turned our backs as the chopper churned the air around us.

In the helicopter we had to don helmets, called kevlars. Mine was a little small. In my front pocket I had to carry two things: my signed waiver and my driver's license, which would serve as my dog tag if we crashed. That hadn't happened since 1975, I was assured.

We elevated quickly and I held the ill-fitting kevlar to my head tightly. Through the open door to my side, I watched the lush mountains of the Chattahoochee National Forest speed by below while my helmet's chin strap flailed wildly in the wind.

0803, infiltrate student patrol base: I was wondering why we were whispering.

We hiked from the helicopter deep into the woods. The RIs were kneeling and whispering to each other. I didn't know where we were.

"Don't you see the students?" Hef asked me.

"What students?" I responded quizzically.

I didn't see it, but the Bravo Company was there. There were 40 of them, just 20 yards away, quietly hidden in the woods before me. A large circle of them lay on their stomachs behind machine guns, scanning the forest for the enemy. In the middle, the rest took care of other patrol base activities.



They all were trying hard to stay awake.

They had been in this location for some six hours, in the mountains on this FTX for nearly three days. Most were working on less than two hours of sleep.

"It gets tough," said Ranger student Antoine Overstreet from behind his machine gun. "Even when the sun's up it's still hard staying awake and staying focused. Last night we had guys falling asleep standing up."

There was no time for sleeping now, however. The students had received the day's mission: to strike an enemy logistics base just a few kilometers away.

The planning started immediately, even though the raid wasn't scheduled for another 12 hours.





Army Ranger School: Preparing for 'two minutes of fury'


Part Two of Two
September 14, 1999 — It sounds violent because it is: U.S. Army Rangers are highly trained killing machines.

From the Revolutionary War to Somalia, Rangers have contributed their unique combat skills to virtually every major military operation in U.S. history — and even more "minor" ones that the general public never hears about.

They usually go in first. They surprise. They kill. They destroy. They disappear.

"We're the monsters under your bed at night," whispered my guide, Private Patrick E. Heffernan, with a shifty smile as we walked through Bravo Company's morning patrol base deep in the Chattahoochee National Forest near Camp Frank D. Merrill in Dahlonega, Ga.

For the soldiers of Bravo Company, this was Day 16 of the 21-day Mountain Phase of Army Ranger School, and Day 37 overall of the punishing 61-day course.

0923 hours, planning begins for nighttime raid: When I asked Ranger student David White how many days he had been in the woods, he had to take a moment to think ... and even then he wasn't sure. So I asked him about something that was on the minds of all the students — sleep.

"I got two hours last night," said White, 20, of Vine Grove, Ky., as he colored his face with his camo stick. "The night before that? I don't remember."

This was, in fact, White's third day in the woods. But forgive him for seeming a bit confused. The previous five weeks had been a jumble of guns, sweat and trees — and the two hours of sleep he got the night before were likely the most he'd had in days.

For White, the three weeks of intense combat training and physical endurance tests at Fort Benning in Columbus are ancient history. The strenuous week of mountaineering exercises on Mount Yonah, just north of Cleveland, Ga., a foggy memory.

All that is on White's mind is today's mission: to raid an enemy logistics base at 2000 hours.

1025, food and ammunition resupply: While the rest of the platoon continued the long, meticulous planning process, a dozen or so students, machine guns in ready position, hiked to a nearby clearing where the helicopter drop took place.

Small groups like this are most vulnerable to enemy attack. And the enemy is always out there, somewhere, tracking the students. Called the opposition force, or OPFOR, and comprised of Army soldiers based at Camp Merrill, they can strike at any time.

"Watch out for the Rangers," Captain Mark Landes, a Ranger Instructor, warned me and Heffernan as we milled about outside the patrol base. "They'll shoot you up in a heartbeat. OPFOR's been in here so many times, I've found they tend to get trigger happy."

The students' guns shoot blanks, by the way. But they sound real. And that's enough to give you a heart attack.



1130, meal ready to eat (MRE): MREs have a distinct odor and I wouldn't necessarily classify it as a pleasant one. But if you're relying on just two MREs a day as your only source of nourishment for the better part of two months, you'll take what you can get.

"I'll tell you what," said Ranger student Jonathan Gilliam, a Navy SEAL from Arkansas. "After a while you start craving those MRE crackers. But it's going to be really nice to go to the Outback and have a steak after this is over."

I have to admit my MRE, pasta with vegetables in tomato sauce, wasn't too bad — certainly as palatable as anything that comes out of my bachelor kitchen.

1347, leave for objective rally point (ORP): One by one, the Ranger students vacated the patrol base and began the two-kilometer trek to the ORP, the last place they would stop before their mission. Their pace was deliberate, each careful step a mission in itself.

1539, final preparations begin: Shortly after a water resupply at a nearby creek we arrived at the ORP and the students immediately settled into their patrol-base positions. The enemy was just 300 meters away.

Small reconnaissance teams were sent out to scout the enemy and pinpoint their location. From these reports, the Rangers will finalize their plans. This intricate process takes hours.



1727, the "drone monsters" take over: "Partner, partner," whispered Ranger student Peter Warner. "Wake up."

"Oh man," sighed Matt James — barely able to open his eyes — from behind his machine gun. James, 24, a Ranger student from Seattle, tried to do some pushups to get his blood flowing. It didn't work.

"Open your eyes," insisted Warner, 23, from Long Island, N.Y. "Next time you close your eyes, you've got to stand up. You've got to stay awake."

This is called droning. It haunts the severely sleep-deprived Rangers constantly.

Pushups are one way to get the drone monsters off your back. Chewing tobacco is another. Some desperate droners have been known to take the Tabasco sauce from their MREs and drop it into their eyes.

1845, students head to objective: Slowly, silently, the support-by-fire element moved into position and set aim on the objective. A line of them bellied up behind their machine guns on a ridge overlooking the enemy base. Later, I moved with the ground assault team as it took position on the left flank.

"I guess there's some butterflies," said Ranger student Josh Jones, 23, of Lake Tahoe, Calif., gripping his M-60 tightly. "You just get excited to finally get some action. It's a lot of sitting around, but then you get your two minutes of fury."

2000, strike on enemy base: It was peculiarly peaceful lying there as night fell upon the forest.

Then suddenly I was in the middle of a war. I knew it was coming and when it was coming and where it was coming from, but when the support element opened fire on the enemy my heart began to beat like a machine gun.

I followed the assault Rangers as they made their approach, sliding behind trees and rattling off rounds before advancing farther.

I didn't spot the enemy until I nearly stepped on one. There were three of them lying lifeless (sort of) on the ground. The Rangers methodically ransacked the base, destroying all communications equipment and gathering together everything else for detonation. Then they scurried back into the woods.

Surprise. Kill. Destroy. Disappear. Mission accomplished in less than 15 minutes.

From there the Ranger students strapped on night vision goggles and set out on a four-hour trek to their next patrol base. Watching out for OPFOR, fighting off the drone monsters, they waited there silently for the next day's mission.
 
frorider6 said:
How many guys in special forces are "on"? How openly is it discussed? Do the docs even write scripts for the guys?

we call that creatine but alot of them get GH.
 
The only thing that I ever really cycled while active was halo and a few other tabs, injections were for the most part out of the question....diet sucked as well, simply because you never got enough. While in garrision, it was different, and you could always hit midnight chow....H.A.A.F. was a very snall consolidated post, and Savannah was on the front door step....Nice town.

Ranger
 
Re: Re: Army Ranger thread

MattTheSkywalker said:


Fro,

With all apologies due to "The Ranger", no one can answer this more accurately than I can.

...Any officer can go to ranger school...

Matt

Matt, we talked before. I agree with what you're saying, but when I got jacked up in air assault school at Fort Drum and branch transferred to ADA the guys who took the ADAOBC and ADAOAC were not allowed to go to RANGER school--at all. The only guys who had been were me and two other prior service guys.

Now, from what I'm being told, is that ALL the male and female officers will soon have to take about the first half of the IOBC course when they come out of West Point, OCS and ROTC. It's got nothing to do with the commissioning source, but everything to do with keeping some continuity among all the branches--combat arms and combat service support. I guess the army is trying to move towards the way the Marine Corps does things.

Big4rt

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I found this on another message board and thought it needed posting here.


This mainly applies to the College Ops going Infantry, but is open to all. I've read some of the other messages in the past about Ranger School, and I get the feeling that there are some misperceptions about it.

First, I have to say that this is not a commando school. This is a school designed to teach and assess you in the fundamentals of combat operations at platoon level and below. Let me say that this is a great school, and the Ranger Tab is coveted. However, not getting your tab does not mean the end of your career as an Infantry officer; nor does graduating from Ranger School place you on assignment to a commando unit. Special Forces: you have to go to a different school for that, and you have to be a 1LT(Promotable) to go (active component). 75th Ranger Regiment: you have to prove your worth at your first assignment to apply.

This is a leadership school. You are not graded on your ability live with lack of food, sleep, and toilet paper while humping for miles. You are graded on your ability to make competent decisions as a leader (on the days you are assigned to be a leader for a particular mission) while you are tired, hungry, cold and wet (or hot and wet). In addition, you are graded by your peers. If you are a turd, then everybody will write things like "lazy" or "whines more than my wife" (actual comments) on their peer evals at the end of each phase. Somebody will be rated last on the peer list, and that's ok. What the instructors look at are the comments.

1. Who can go? This was a "cut and paste" from the RTB website:

"Commissioned officer personnel. Ranger training is available on a voluntary basis for officers in the following career management fields:
11A - Infantry Officer
12A - Armor Officers allocated against authorized
12C positions
12C - Cavalry Officers
13A - Battalion and Company Fire Support Officers
(Habitually associated in direct support to
Infantry battalions)
14B - Short Range Air Defense Officer (Habitually
attached or in direct support to Infantry
battalions)
18A - Special Forces Officer
21B - Combat Engineer (In companies that directly
support Infantry battalions)"

"Those officers of any branch or specialty assigned to Ranger Coded Positions within the 75th Ranger Regiment or the Ranger Training Brigade may attend."

"No security clearance is required."

"No additional obligated service is incurred by active Army Commissioned Officers for attending the course."

"Students are not required to be airborne qualified, but are encouraged to attend airborne training prior to attending Ranger School."

"Ranger qualified officers or NCOs should brief all Ranger school candidates on the course prior to their attendance. Applicants should concentrate on improving upper body strength and foot marching in properly fitted boots with a full rucksack, for distances up to 16 miles."

#s 2 and 3 below can be completed during week 1 (aka RAP Week or Hell Week) at Camp Rogers, but it is highly advised you complete them during Zero Week (volunteer orientation week). I don't care what the cadre officially say about how fair they are about grading the PT Test during RAP Week, when they get a full class of people that passed their PT Test during Zero Week, and they are in danger of overflowing with students, it becomes "number-crunching time. I STRONGLY urge you to go to Zero Week to take the PT Test. You get the weekend off between Zero Week and RAP Week (about 1700 Friday to 0300 Monday).

2. PT Test: here's the standard to pass.
-Push-ups: 49 reps
-Sit-ups: 59 reps
-2 mile run: 15:12 or less in running shoes
-Pull-ups: 6 reps (palms facing in)
-this is the standard regardless of age

3. Combat Water Survival Test (CWST)
-15 meter swin w/BDUs, boots, LBE, and rifle
-3 meter drop (with rifle and blind-fold)
-equipment removal (underwater)

4. 5 mile run in 40 minutes (completed in formation): completed during Week 1 only

5. 3 mile buddy run: with boots, BDUs, LBE, and rifle. Completed with a partner (you must be able to touch your partner at any given time). Completed in 30 minutes. During Week 1 only.

6. Day and Night Land Nav Test (individual) During Week 1.

7. Obstacle Course: don't know what to say about that... either you can do it or you can't. Can't remember if that was during Week 1 or at Camp Darby.

8. There are a number of other tasks you will complete during weeks 2 and 3 at Camp Darby, but they are no big deal. The patrols are what you need to concentrate on.

9. Ranger School is gonna suck. There's no way around it. Your muscles are going to atrophe due to lack of nutrition (you'll know it when you start smelling like ammonia... some of you will experience that in OCS), and your immune system is going to break down for a while. Your fingers and toes will be numb for a while. You will need about 6 months to recover from this school (no, I don't mean 6 months of bed rest). Everybody had their own plan before Ranger School to beat the atrophe problem. Mine was to get fat on donuts while still being able to complete the PT tasks (they don't care about height/weight regs there). In the end, I still lost muscle mass.

10. Meals: you get 2 per day now. In garrison, you get to eat in the dining facility. In the field, MREs. Don't worry, you'll still be hungry.

11. Sleep: about 4 hrs per day in garrison depending on how good your class is at getting things done. In the field, about 2 hrs per day. Sometimes, your Instructors will put you in a "clandestine patrol base" when the students are so tired, they become untrainable. That means everybody goes to sleep for about 4 hours uninterrupted (after a while, four hours will feel like you slept all day). Don't worry about the whole sleep thing. Your body will acclimate to it after a while.

12. Tobacco is no longer allowed. It was once allowed during summer phase, but they finally outlawed it all together. Gum is allowed though.

13. How bad it sucks... I said this in another post "My Life in OCS." You will hear from other Ranger School graduates about how bad their lives were, or some scary story that happened to them. Don't combine all those stories into one big story that will be your life in Ranger School. You'll experience some bad things, but you won't experience ALL the things you heard from everybody else you talked to. For me, the worst and scariest day of Ranger School (same as OCS) was the first day when I walked through the gate to inprocess, because I did not know what to expect. After that, it became "just another day." Also, remember... (and this applies to OCS as well) when you feel like you want to quit, just tell yourself "I'll do it one more day." Do that everyday until you graduate. When you're bored or when you need to stay awake, make a small list in your notepad of all the things you will do when you graduate down to the detail (what movies you want to see, what restaurants you will eat at, and what you will order there). Although life will suck there, just remember, everybody else there will be going through exactly what you will be going through... you're not doing it alone.

14. DO NOT show up with any type of Ranger t-shirt. And if you bring your POV, DO NOT show up with any Ranger stickers or license plates on your car. The Ranger Instructors will supervise while each and every student parks his car in the gated parking lot.

15. You CAN, however, keep a Ranger Tab tucked inside your cap or in your pocket as a reminder of why you are there.

16. Have some kind of outside support group going for when you get your 3-4 hour pass at the end of Benning Phase. They will be able to do your laundry and fix your stuff while you sleep (or have sex, for some of you). And they can have all the food you want (like pizza) already there for you when you get released. I found that the National Guard was real good about doing that for their guys (except for the sex part). My wife did everything for me, except show up on time.

17. Some of you will get fat when you graduate. During our last week, outprocessing week (this week is easy), they gave us a bunch of Ranger School "Miller Time" t-shirts. They were all in X-Large. They said, "don't worry. You'll get fat and grow into them."

18. This is something for the wives of future Ranger graduates. Your husbands may leave there in a wierd state of mind. They may act unusual, like they don't care about anything. They may not want to have sex for a while either. My wife became suspicious after a while. She called some of my friends' wives to ask if their husbands were the same way; and they said yes. Don't worry about it. This may last about a month (for some, longer). Nonetheless, it'll pass. Just give them time. But it's best you know it now.

19. I know this is a lot of information to put out. And some may wonder what this has to do with OCS. Once I knew I was branched Infantry (before I even went to OCS), all I could think about was Ranger School. And by that, I mean, "Oh my God. I gotta go to Ranger School. I'm scared sh*tless." Everyday until I went, this feeling hung over my head. So, this message is meant to open some of your eyes and dispel some of your fears. Let me tell you what my Ranger Tab did for me. I am no longer afraid of any "this sucks" school the Army has to offer: SERE (POW school), SFAS, SCUBA (although it has it's own unique difficulties that makes it suck), etc. What it did was build my confidence, because I am no longer afraid of a life that sucks (except Staff Duty). For those who are interested about Ranger School, or what life is like throughout your pipeline Infantry training, I would be happy to open up a chat forum. As far as life in an Infantry platoon, I would like to get some other Infantry PLs on board to discuss that issue. My life as a PL is at NTC, different from other PLs at 82nd, 10th Mountain, 1st Cav, etc. We all have different experiences in that field.
 
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