Armidex or dostinex

[Porportional]

hi guys, iv'e noticed that under my nipples aka around my breast tissue, there are dime sized lumps.. when i press against my nips their flat, so i cant feel any lump there, but they still seem to be showing high prolactin like symptoms, such as the puffiness.. but directly under them under the breast tissue i can feel the dime sized lumps.. to my understanding i think that you can get rid of them as long as the lumps have not moved up to the actual nipple.. so should i try armidex for the fatty deposits under the tissue and dostinex for the high prolactin like symptoms? if i should do both what do u guys recommend to dose, each the armidex and dostinex.. thanks alot.. i also posted this here because i know this is the most likely place, where i will get the most help.. thanks

 

[smtimelevi]

Get some Letrozole(Ferma) if you can. Start taking 2.5 mgs a day and taper down as it goes away. Ferma is the only pill PROVEN to reverse existing gyno in early stages. You dont have full blown bitch tits so this would zap that shit in a heartbeat. If you cant get any of that nolvadex is a good start and A-dex would be a good combo with the nolva.
If you got adex and dosinex take both, get rid of that shit. Arimidex 1 mg a day would probably do the trick.

Not to lecture but having AI's and SERMS on hand is a little more important than most think. Cuz if shit goes wrong and you dont have any, there will be a fuckin scramble to get some.

 

[Porportional]

thanks man, iv'e tried letro before but it did absoloutley nothing.. mightve been my source tho.. it was the liquid kind by ag-guys.. yea no lump in the nipple, just under my breast tissue.. i must say, ive had this condition for some time now, maybe close to a year.. i end every cycle now with nolvadex, but i heard it does absoloutley nothing against pre-existing gyno, just prevents it.. what about dostinex? i heard its good for lowering prolactin, and the overall pufifness, and armidex for the deposits?

 

[smtimelevi]

The letro you got was bunk. That isnt even real letro, that is like buying "steroid" pills from GNC. Bullshit IMO. If you have had this condition 4 a year I would reccomend REAL ferma. Dude that gyno is no bueno. I hope the adex works. A friend of mine got some gyno probs and the adex worked well for him, but yours is existing. Go with the letro. The real stuff will reduce the estrogen in your body to near nothing, witch can be bad. Hard on the immune system, joints, and sex drive. But reversing that gyno is priority. Your right about the nolva but since your on a cycle the nolva will block aromatizing test from the receptor site in the nipple area. And boost LH and FSH

 

[Mavafanculo]

Get some Letrozole(Ferma) if you can. Start taking 2.5 mgs a day and taper down as it goes away. Ferma is the only pill PROVEN to reverse existing gyno in early stages. You dont have full blown bitch tits so this would zap that shit in a heartbeat. If you cant get any of that nolvadex is a good start and A-dex would be a good combo with the nolva.
If you got adex and dosinex take both, get rid of that shit. Arimidex 1 mg a day would probably do the trick.

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1) PROVEN? where? please cite a source for this statement.

As far as I'm aware, the SERMs nolva and Raloxifene are the only compounds PROVEN by scientific studies to reduce existing gyno

Arimidex was proven ineffective vs existing gyno in some of these same studies.

Letro has good anedotal buzz vs progesterone gyno but to date no studies to back that up.

2) Nolva reduces the effectiveness of adex and letro by a huge percentage. they are NOT a good combo. Aromasin's (another ai) effectiveness on the other hand is not reduced by nolva. so nolva and aromasin would be a better combo WHERE APPROPRIATE. (see #3)

3) If the poster is concerned about prolactin issues, he's probably doing nandrolones. If he's doing nandrolones Nolva is contraindicated since it upregulates progesterone receptors.

PorPortional- you need to post up some background, like what your cycle was when this first surfaced etc

 

[Porportional]

ok so my cycle history begins with ph's.. i know-- u are gonna say their stupid, unsafe, yes i know that now.. i began with m1t but i dont think it was that since, ive heard it doesnt cause gyno (might be wrong).. i really think it was from the superdrol, which does cause progesterone gyno right? but u see as i said there are dime sized lumps about a inch below the nipple, so id call that the surrounding breast tissue.. im really confused on what to take now, lol

 

[smtimelevi]

1) PROVEN? where? please cite a source for this statement.

As far as I'm aware, the SERMs nolva and Raloxifene are the only compounds PROVEN by scientific studies to reduce existing gyno

Arimidex was proven ineffective vs existing gyno in some of these same studies.

Letro has good anedotal buzz vs progesterone gyno but to date no studies to back that up.

2) Nolva reduces the effectiveness of adex and letro by a huge percentage. they are NOT a good combo. Aromasin's (another ai) effectiveness on the other hand is not reduced by nolva. so nolva and aromasin would be a better combo WHERE APPROPRIATE. (see #3)

3) If the poster is concerned about prolactin issues, he's probably doing nandrolones. If he's doing nandrolones Nolva is contraindicated since it upregulates progesterone receptors.

PorPortional- you need to post up some background, like what your cycle was when this first surfaced etc

MOD EDIT - please read the rules - you cant post source links

 

[milo hobgoblin]

Use liquidex (arimidex) .25 mg eod up to .5 mg eod ( be careful shit dries your joints out and it WILL cause problems)


also use yohimburn on the nipples..

it will go down a little.

 

[smtimelevi]

MOD EDIT - please read the rules - you cant post source links

OK Fine-




Letrozole is the only pharmacological “cure” for gyno that I know of to have ever worked in bodybuilders. In a study conducted on rodents, Letrozole was able to effectively destroy breast tissue tumors (6), and it’s also been effective on many bodybuilders who have used it to eliminate an existing case of gynocomastia. In my case, I used Letro to get rid of my own gyno, by starting with a dose of 2.5mgs/day and then lowering it by .25mcgs per week once my symptoms abated.

With regards to using this stuff on a cycle, unless you are extremely gyno prone, or need to reduce estrogen levels to virtually nothing (for a bodybuilding contest or whatever), it’s going to be too powerful for most people. Male and female competitors typically use it to get the last bits of estrogen related water retention out of them during the final weeks of contest preparation. But when used on a typical cycle, Letro is generally overkill unless a ripped look with zero water and estrogen is desired or if the user is prone to gyno.

References:

1. Clin Cancer Res. 2005 Apr 15;11(8):2809-21.

2. Epilepsy Behav. 2004 Apr;5(2):260-3

3. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Oct;90(10):5717-22. Epub 2005 Jul Comparative assessment in young and elderly men of the gonadotropin response to aromatase inhibition. T'Sjoen GG, Giagulli VA, Delva H, Crabbe P, De Bacquer D, Kaufman JM.

4. Open dose-finding study of a new potent and selective nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitor, CGS 20 267[Letrozole], in healthy male subjects PF Trunet, P Mueller, AS Bhatnagar, I Dickes, G Monnet and G White Research and Development Department, CIBA-GEIGY Limited, Basel, Switzerland>.

5. Clin Cancer Res. 2003 Jan;9(1 Pt 2):468S-72S. Department of Endocrinology, Ghent University Hospital, De Pintelaan 185, 9000 Ghent, Belgium

6. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2001 Dec;79(1-5):27-34. Aromatase overexpression transgenic mice model: cell type specific expression and use of letrozole to abrogate mammary hyperplasia without affecting normal physiology

 

[Mavafanculo]

the actual study (on rats not humans btw) doesnt say what that profile says. the profile says "cures gyno" . The actual single study that this is based on says:

Our results also indicate aromatase overexpression-induced changes in mammary glands can be abrogated with very low concentrations of the aromatase inhibitor, Letrozole (Femara)

These observations indicate that the expression of aromatase in both epithelial and stromal cells can influence the complex interactions of biochemical pathways leading to mammary carcinogenesis and that the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole can be used as chemopreventive agent without affecting normal physiology.



The clear statement is that is is a chemopreventative agent

there's been some debate on the boards on this, but the consensus interpretation is that the poorly chosen word "abrogated" means what it seems to mean in the context of the study. It stops ADDITIONAL hyperplasia. it stops more changes. which is what AI's are great for. prevention. it doesnt say it reverses existing gyno.


The SERM study's on the other hand are on humans and tested for reversal of existing gyno.

 

[Porportional]

so mav what do u think i shud do

 

[Mavafanculo]

I know this isnt what you want to hear, but first thing you need to do is get bloodwork done and check all your hormone levels. When the quick and dirty stuff doesnt work, you need more specific information on whats going on hormone wise in your body. then there's something to start with rather than guess work. be sure the doc is testing estrogens/test/free test/prolactin/thyroid/etc



keep us posted on what those results are


p.s. the superdrol is a progestin, so if you were still on it the dostinex to lower prolactin would have been worth a shot for the puffy nips (couldnt hurt) - but since you've been off it for awhile the superdrol shouldnt be an issue. if your tests show elevated prolactin, ur doc will script you the dostinex (or else "suggest" it to him lol)

also, to clarify, prolactin sides include the puffy and/or darker and/or enlarged nips, but not the lump.

 

[Porportional]

i had bloodwork done earlier this year, and he did test for prolactin and he said that it wasnt anything out of the oridinary, meaning he didnt think my prolactin was to high.. <_<

 

[Mavafanculo]

i had bloodwork done earlier this year, and he did test for prolactin and he said that it wasnt anything out of the oridinary, meaning he didnt think my prolactin was to high.. <_<

post up all the hormone numbers (progesterone too)

if nothing else is out of range, the standard recc would be nolva or raloxifene which have been proven to reverse existing gyno (ralox more effective than nolva) - search out "raloxifene" and my name to bring up the studies which detail the studied doses