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armidex only cycle for fat loss?
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sk* said:
actually, "one" of the reasons people carry extra amonuts of fat is because of estrogen due to alot of the aromatization process taking place in fat cells. fat burners will definatley help you espcially using such site specific things such as yohimbe which has been shown to stimulate fat loss specifically in certain trouble areas. if y carry a larger than normal amount of fat on your body fat burners can help the individual in losing unwanted fat. period. not i said help. not cure.
if that is still a concern than estrogen may be the problem at which arimidex would definatley help. also bro u said diet was on point, but if u feel you are losing too much size than it may not be. also, your training has a big influence as well. alot of factors go into losing overall bodyfat weight.
georgie24 said:
dosages are an individual thing bro. in terms of length of time on and off that too in individual but i say a good amount would be 2-3 months on and about 4 weeks off. note this is just a suggestion. as of now for example i am not taking any anabolics and just started my diet. i am taking fat burners( dymetadrine xtreme) as well as liquidex(arimidex)
sk* said:
again alot of fat that naturally accumulates on an individual is already due to a higher estrogen to test ratio. are u trying to tell me that fat people in general, alot of which are fat because of this ratio, cannot make extra progress with the use of fat burners? of course they can. alot of these fat burners work by stimulating the central nervous system and increasing body heat while also stimulating the beta receptors. that in itself will result in fat loss, even if it is estrogen related. am i saying that if you took a large amount of steroids and got got gyno would fat burners remove it. no i am not. i am just saying that fat burners do work at helping one remove bodyfat which may or may not be estrogen related. bro again you need to do a little more research. come back and answer to me when you are experienced enough. u just can't let it go huh.
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Fatburners can't help fat deposits caused by estrogen? Well alright.
sk* said:
again, read up some more. here to get u started u can read up on what i wrote at the top previously. natural gyno for example which is estrogen related and has "not" yet formed into a benighn lump can be reduced or eliminated from losing bodyfat as a whole. now if u get a serious case of gyno from steroid abuse and their is actual growth resulting then fat burners cannot help that. bro, u never seen a fat person with fatty natural nipples that when lost, it also went away? im sure u have if u have been in this game long enough, which im sure u haven't so at least u have an excuse there. anything else? ahhhh i can go on all night.
bro i know my shit. if there is something i do not know i keep my mouth shut and let someone else answer. u make yourself look bad when trying to answer back to me. u dont even have any scientific explanations s to why u feel you are right. that looks bad. saying something, but not explaining why. end this nbow bro before u end up killing your rep on this board more than u have already in the past.
and u pretty much answered yourself there too bro. if a person is fat, which one of the reasons has to do with estrogen, then his nipples will get puffier due to the higher estrogenic fat there. diet, take fat burners, exercise, and other factors will make help him to eliminate this fat problem. im not saying the only reason is due to estrogen. but if one does have this higher estrogen to test ratio and has some puffy nipples from increased estrogen related fat then such things such as the eca can definately help him in losing overall bodyfat, as well as the fat located on his chest.
sk* said:
no offense bro but can u read? im sure u can but maybe you cannot comprehend what i am saying. read my last 2 posts again carefully and u will see that i understand that and that again, u are wrong on this. so again, i will keep talking. bro u admitted before that you are a newbie. so why are u giving advice that you are not sure of or have anything intelligent to say to back you up. in an argument or if you are just trying to get your point across here's a lil hint for you, learn to have evidence as to why u feel you are right. for example, accusing that someone is guilty with not evidence or no reason whatsoever why the person is guilty will not be taken seriously, as you are not. bro, i have been studying this shit for awhile. im not saying i know everything. thats why things i dont know i dont answer. but u just wanna answer to get your 2 cents across. people like to hear intelligent answers, which u dont give. i, on the other hand can at leat explain why things are the way they are instead of just saying, " this is the way it is because i said so" as you do. again, im ending this. i have nothing else to say to you. ahhhh maybe in another post u can contradict me and i can flame you some more. challenge me bro, and i will beat you. period.
to sk* and Mike
bro i have been on the bodybuilding scene for a while so don't let my number of posts fool you. i haven't posted in a while but im usually here as a guest anyway just doing research. after reviewing both sides i have to agree with Mike P.T. on this one. i know where u are coming from sk* and it does seem like u can be right from a beginner outlook but i know this as well and i agree with Mike. do some research bro and you will see. i have seen some of Mike's posts in the past and i can say he knows his stuff. no he doesn't know everything but he does know his stuff. not flaming bro but just looking at it from both sides and giving my opinion. besides, im kind of getting tired of all these flames and shit. have to deal with bullshit at work enough and dont need it here. Karma for both of you to end the tension already.
lets put this aside. this board is for educating, and not flaming, something Mike i know u enjoy. u are right in this sense but as sk* said, end the flames. i know you are just trying to get your point across but the flames are not needed. ok i said it. i hope i dont get bad karma from either of you because of this.
bro i have been on the bodybuilding scene for a while so don't let my number of posts fool you. i haven't posted in a while but im usually here as a guest anyway just doing research. after reviewing both sides i have to agree with Mike P.T. on this one. i know where u are coming from sk* and it does seem like u can be right from a beginner outlook but i know this as well and i agree with Mike. do some research bro and you will see. i have seen some of Mike's posts in the past and i can say he knows his stuff. no he doesn't know everything but he does know his stuff. not flaming bro but just looking at it from both sides and giving my opinion. besides, im kind of getting tired of all these flames and shit. have to deal with bullshit at work enough and dont need it here. Karma for both of you to end the tension already.
lets put this aside. this board is for educating, and not flaming, something Mike i know u enjoy. u are right in this sense but as sk* said, end the flames. i know you are just trying to get your point across but the flames are not needed. ok i said it. i hope i dont get bad karma from either of you because of this.Re: to sk* and Mike
thx bro for agreeing with me. ok and as for the whole flaming thing. i only start to flame when someone challenges me or if they really ask stupid questions without doing some research. maybe i will calm down, maybe i won't. that's just me and i see on your profile that you are a bouncer and u said u have to deal with bullshit but if u dont wanna hear it, then dont. thx though again not flaming but im just being how i am.
p.s. im not gonna give u bad karma so dont worry.
not like you care im sure
SHHUGE said:bro i have been on the bodybuilding scene for a while so don't let my number of posts fool you. i haven't posted in a while but im usually here as a guest anyway just doing research. after reviewing both sides i have to agree with Mike P.T. on this one. i know where u are coming from sk* and it does seem like u can be right from a beginner outlook but i know this as well and i agree with Mike. do some research bro and you will see. i have seen some of Mike's posts in the past and i can say he knows his stuff. no he doesn't know everything but he does know his stuff. not flaming bro but just looking at it from both sides and giving my opinion. besides, im kind of getting tired of all these flames and shit. have to deal with bullshit at work enough and dont need it here. Karma for both of you to end the tension already.
thx bro for agreeing with me. ok and as for the whole flaming thing. i only start to flame when someone challenges me or if they really ask stupid questions without doing some research. maybe i will calm down, maybe i won't. that's just me and i see on your profile that you are a bouncer and u said u have to deal with bullshit but if u dont wanna hear it, then dont. thx though again not flaming but im just being how i am.
p.s. im not gonna give u bad karma so dont worry.
not like you care im suresk* said:
damn sorry but just had to say one last thing. alot of people on this board say "bro." um, it's a jock/bodybuilding thing. wait u wouldn't know about that. hmmm Mustang18 always says bro so im sure he's me too right. you are a joke. come to think of it, if u see in past posts, Mustang18 also said i was a very knowledgable individual but what do we know right. we're only intelligent people. sorry bro i didn't realize how smart you are.
p.s. stupidest person you have seen? bro that in itself was stupid. u have never seen me. just my posts. here's a hint. " your posts are the stupidest i have ever read." got it!! hahaha what a dumbshit u are. bro u LOVE making yourself look bad dont you.
and saying u want to end it but saying a stupid comment prior to it is not the best way to end an argument. another technique for you.
as for your recommendations on the liquidex, hehehe at least that i can agree with. wow bro your learning. u have passed the first grade. now after a while maybe u will get to the college level like me. with that this is final. no matter what u say at this point no longer matters. ive gotten my point across and you have just made yourself look bad. georgie, good luck bro. sorry for this guys interruption. if u want, email some oh the mods yourself including mustang18 to see if i really do know my stuff. they will tell you for those that are fimiliar with me.
Well I guess everything has been covered EXCEPT that you may have low serum test levels, I do and am getting test perscribed for it.
With low test levels (naturally occurring) it can cause the same type of padded elastic skin you are referring to, so OBVIOUSLY you would have a higher estrogen to test ratio especially if the fat is in the abdomin and chest area and you have very lean arms and legs ( the kind you could use a 3/8" pin to inject)
So yes arimidex will help alot but I would get your test levels checked prior to the use of anti e's or test. If you have low test then if you can find a doctor to perscribe the test replacement for you then you use it on your off cycle time to maintain NORMAL test levels which will (because of your genetic dispostion) help keep your gains after cycle. Test has leaned me out in a major way in the chest and abdomin areas. See a doctor, I did and I am very happy!!!
With low test levels (naturally occurring) it can cause the same type of padded elastic skin you are referring to, so OBVIOUSLY you would have a higher estrogen to test ratio especially if the fat is in the abdomin and chest area and you have very lean arms and legs ( the kind you could use a 3/8" pin to inject)
So yes arimidex will help alot but I would get your test levels checked prior to the use of anti e's or test. If you have low test then if you can find a doctor to perscribe the test replacement for you then you use it on your off cycle time to maintain NORMAL test levels which will (because of your genetic dispostion) help keep your gains after cycle. Test has leaned me out in a major way in the chest and abdomin areas. See a doctor, I did and I am very happy!!!
either
a family doc or a specialist endocrinologist (hormone doctor) the cheapest is the family doctor. Basic BS to say is: I have been feeling a little depressed and my sex life isn't what it used to be (if you are over 30 this works great) I have read in MENS magazines that this could be a sign of low serum testosterone levels..could you please do some blood work for me? If he mentions anti-depressants tell him you have tried saint john wart and it made you feel wierd.(this will exclude him from treating you for a chemical seratonine or dopeamine deffiecnt state.
Trust me on this it took me telling my pshyciatrist about my low 353ng/dl test level for him to recheck it against what I am using now as a perscription guideline for test cyp or enanthate.
The bad thing is my family doctor said it was low but never said how low so you want a copy of the results, hell 353ng/dl is that of most fucking 65 year olds!!!!!!
a family doc or a specialist endocrinologist (hormone doctor) the cheapest is the family doctor. Basic BS to say is: I have been feeling a little depressed and my sex life isn't what it used to be (if you are over 30 this works great) I have read in MENS magazines that this could be a sign of low serum testosterone levels..could you please do some blood work for me? If he mentions anti-depressants tell him you have tried saint john wart and it made you feel wierd.(this will exclude him from treating you for a chemical seratonine or dopeamine deffiecnt state.
Trust me on this it took me telling my pshyciatrist about my low 353ng/dl test level for him to recheck it against what I am using now as a perscription guideline for test cyp or enanthate.
The bad thing is my family doctor said it was low but never said how low so you want a copy of the results, hell 353ng/dl is that of most fucking 65 year olds!!!!!!
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im not depressed mentally just deprssed about the thick soft pad of fat thats accumilated around my chest and abdomin, i can not take off my shirt in public so im fucked when i go to the beach or water oarks, im 24 years old, i spent the alot of time surfing the net last night abd found that i have all the symptoms of low test so i definitly want to persue that treatment, i dont want the docs to write me off as just being depressed
gethard1 said:
im not depressed mentally just deprssed about the thick soft pad of fat thats accumilated around my chest and abdomin, i can not take off my shirt in public so im fucked when i go to the beach or water oarks, im 24 years old, i spent the alot of time surfing the net last night abd found that i have all the symptoms of low test so i definitly want to persue that treatment, i dont want the docs to write me off as just being depressed
Being depressed
is just another symptom, that is going to come up that is the only reason I mentioned that part about st johns wart.
My low test symptoms started at about age 24 also check out a search on www.emedicine.com for hypogonadism or androgen insensitivity low thyroid function and insulin resistance.
I was not trying to imply anything about your mental condition it is just another side effect of low serum test levels, if you do have low test eventually depression will happen..but it may take years and years to manifest itself. My previous derpession started about 4 years ago and ended not with anti depressants but the test therapy that I implimented myself and now fortunantely I have a doctor that listens to me and reads the supporting studies that are cutting edge not 20 years old but rather maximum 12-18 months old.
Still I urge everyone to get regular blood work done b4 during and after therer cycle, it can sure head off any big problems that you may not know you have, until its to late or it can help diagnose a hormone or a natural occurring low thyroid problem.
Education is not only for us, but can be beneficial to the right docotr as long as you have that type of relationship for him/her to talk about objectively not sub-jectively the use of test or other androgenic compounds especially if you have a genetic disposition that warrants treatment.
All in all a blood test is hands down the best diagnostic tool that you can do for yourself....
eat --train--sleep--educate!!!!!!!!
is just another symptom, that is going to come up that is the only reason I mentioned that part about st johns wart.
My low test symptoms started at about age 24 also check out a search on www.emedicine.com for hypogonadism or androgen insensitivity low thyroid function and insulin resistance.
I was not trying to imply anything about your mental condition it is just another side effect of low serum test levels, if you do have low test eventually depression will happen..but it may take years and years to manifest itself. My previous derpession started about 4 years ago and ended not with anti depressants but the test therapy that I implimented myself and now fortunantely I have a doctor that listens to me and reads the supporting studies that are cutting edge not 20 years old but rather maximum 12-18 months old.
Still I urge everyone to get regular blood work done b4 during and after therer cycle, it can sure head off any big problems that you may not know you have, until its to late or it can help diagnose a hormone or a natural occurring low thyroid problem.
Education is not only for us, but can be beneficial to the right docotr as long as you have that type of relationship for him/her to talk about objectively not sub-jectively the use of test or other androgenic compounds especially if you have a genetic disposition that warrants treatment.
All in all a blood test is hands down the best diagnostic tool that you can do for yourself....
eat --train--sleep--educate!!!!!!!!
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