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NO GENOCIDE?
These are excerpts from:
Morganthau, Henry. Ambassador Morganthau's Story. Garden City, NY: Doublday, Page, 1919 (re-issue, Plandome, NY: New Age Publishers, 1975).
The Central Government (of Turkey) now announced its intention of gathering the two million or more Armenians living in the several sections of the empire and transporting them to this desolate and inhospitable region [the Syrian desert].... The real purpose of the deportation was robbery and destruction; it really represented a new method of massacre. When the Turkish authorities gave the orders for these deportations, they were merely giving the death warrant to a whole race; they understood this well, and in their conversations with me, they made no particular attempt to conceal the fact.
All through the spring and summer of 1915 the deportations took place. Scarely a single Armenian, whatever his education or wealth, or whatever the social class to which he belonged, was exempted from the order.
The police fell upon them just as the eruption of Vesuvius fell upon Pompeii; women were taken from the wash-tubs, children were snatched out of bed, the bread was left half baked in the oven, the family meal was abandoned partly eaten, the children were taken from the schoolroom, leaving their books open at the daily task, and the men were forced to abandon their plough in the fileds and their cattle on the mountain side.
Before the caravans were started, it became the regular practice to separate the young men from the families, tie them together in groups of four, lead them to the outskirts, and shoot them. Public hangings without trial - the only offense being that the victims were Armenians - were taking place constantly. The gendarmes showed a particular desire to annihilate the educated and the influential.
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At Angora [Ankara] all Armenian men from fifteen to seventy were arrested, bound together in groups of four, and sent on the road in the direction of Caesarea. When they had traveled five or six hours and had reached a secluded valley, a mob of Turkish peasants fell upon them with clubs, hammers, axes, scythes, spades, and saws. Such instruments not only caused more agonizing death than guns and pistols, but, as the Turks themselves boasted, they were more economical, since they did not involve the waste of powder and shell. In this way they exterminated the whole male population of Angora.
These are excerpts from:
Morganthau, Henry. Ambassador Morganthau's Story. Garden City, NY: Doublday, Page, 1919 (re-issue, Plandome, NY: New Age Publishers, 1975).
The Central Government (of Turkey) now announced its intention of gathering the two million or more Armenians living in the several sections of the empire and transporting them to this desolate and inhospitable region [the Syrian desert].... The real purpose of the deportation was robbery and destruction; it really represented a new method of massacre. When the Turkish authorities gave the orders for these deportations, they were merely giving the death warrant to a whole race; they understood this well, and in their conversations with me, they made no particular attempt to conceal the fact.
All through the spring and summer of 1915 the deportations took place. Scarely a single Armenian, whatever his education or wealth, or whatever the social class to which he belonged, was exempted from the order.
The police fell upon them just as the eruption of Vesuvius fell upon Pompeii; women were taken from the wash-tubs, children were snatched out of bed, the bread was left half baked in the oven, the family meal was abandoned partly eaten, the children were taken from the schoolroom, leaving their books open at the daily task, and the men were forced to abandon their plough in the fileds and their cattle on the mountain side.
Before the caravans were started, it became the regular practice to separate the young men from the families, tie them together in groups of four, lead them to the outskirts, and shoot them. Public hangings without trial - the only offense being that the victims were Armenians - were taking place constantly. The gendarmes showed a particular desire to annihilate the educated and the influential.
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At Angora [Ankara] all Armenian men from fifteen to seventy were arrested, bound together in groups of four, and sent on the road in the direction of Caesarea. When they had traveled five or six hours and had reached a secluded valley, a mob of Turkish peasants fell upon them with clubs, hammers, axes, scythes, spades, and saws. Such instruments not only caused more agonizing death than guns and pistols, but, as the Turks themselves boasted, they were more economical, since they did not involve the waste of powder and shell. In this way they exterminated the whole male population of Angora.
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DcupSheepNipples
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Dcups Solution!
Kill or be Killed!
In the end we will all die anyways!
Some sooner than others that's all!
It does'nt matter what one says or does because when you take that last breath it's over and the worms take over!
Kill or be Killed!
In the end we will all die anyways!
Some sooner than others that's all!
It does'nt matter what one says or does because when you take that last breath it's over and the worms take over!
mrt
New member
Sust-man,
What's your problem? What are you trying to achieve? To get the US nuke us, not in this century... maybe you just start collecting money to organize terrorist attacks against Turkey like ASALA (armenian terrorist group who assassinated more than 40 Turkish diplomats and citizens abroad) or just fly over here and blow yourself up...
You can go to Internet and find zillions of articles which support your views and my views. I can pull out many links which say you're wrong.
Here are some I found which might be helpful for those who doesn't want to hear just one side of the story
http://www.armenianreality.com/ARMENIA_THE_GREAT_DECEPTION_SECRETS_OF.html
http://www.atmg.org/SamWeems1.html
http://azerbaycan.hypermart.net/tragedy.htm
What's your problem? What are you trying to achieve? To get the US nuke us, not in this century... maybe you just start collecting money to organize terrorist attacks against Turkey like ASALA (armenian terrorist group who assassinated more than 40 Turkish diplomats and citizens abroad) or just fly over here and blow yourself up...
You can go to Internet and find zillions of articles which support your views and my views. I can pull out many links which say you're wrong.
Here are some I found which might be helpful for those who doesn't want to hear just one side of the story
http://www.armenianreality.com/ARMENIA_THE_GREAT_DECEPTION_SECRETS_OF.html
http://www.atmg.org/SamWeems1.html
http://azerbaycan.hypermart.net/tragedy.htm
What is MY problem?
I AM TRYING TO GET THE US TO NUKE TURKEY?
mrt...your the one that joined the conversation and turned our discussion about iraq, into a discussion about armenia & turkey.
Because i am posting my view....that means i have a problem?
You can think that i am stupid...but Henry Morganthau is not armenian....And he is NOT stupid.
Hitler recognized the genocide as well......you think he was mis informed too?
OH.....good one....talk about ASALA....40 people compared to 1.5 million armenians is really something to cry about.
All cultures and countries have radical organizations. even America.
There is no more ASALA....and there hasnt been for MANY years.
if you want to go back into the past to support your arguments....
why dont you talk about how the ottomans impaled their victims?
All throughout history, turkey has spent billions to keep this story quiet and silence talk about the genocide. unfourtunatly, they have been successful.
I AM TRYING TO GET THE US TO NUKE TURKEY?
mrt...your the one that joined the conversation and turned our discussion about iraq, into a discussion about armenia & turkey.
Because i am posting my view....that means i have a problem?
You can think that i am stupid...but Henry Morganthau is not armenian....And he is NOT stupid.
Hitler recognized the genocide as well......you think he was mis informed too?
OH.....good one....talk about ASALA....40 people compared to 1.5 million armenians is really something to cry about.
All cultures and countries have radical organizations. even America.
There is no more ASALA....and there hasnt been for MANY years.
if you want to go back into the past to support your arguments....
why dont you talk about how the ottomans impaled their victims?
All throughout history, turkey has spent billions to keep this story quiet and silence talk about the genocide. unfourtunatly, they have been successful.
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DcupSheepNipples
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They got him!
dcupnsa!
However this was a good showing for a mini geo political fight!
mrt
New member
DcupSheepNipples said:
They got him!
dcupnsa!
However this was a good showing for a mini geo political fight!
No, I'm still here. I was just recovering from an assissination attempt by ASALA which I believe is resurrected by Sust-Man's support
Seriously, I see no point to further discuss this subject as we have our own beliefs and facts. None of us will change others oppinion. Sust-man accuses me of writing BS Turkish propaganda and says how brainwashed I am as if he is not. My arguments and questions are being replied without any answers but with further baseless information and other questions.
I suggest everyone to read some of the links I put up earlier and try to get the other side of the story. The author of that book is pure American without any connections to either side and makes some good arguments against Armenian claims. But then for Sust-Man and others he is ,for sure, someone paid to write that book by the "powerful Turkish lobby".
fistfullofsteel
Well-known member
there is two sides to every story. look for the truth somewhere in the middle and if you ask me, most of the time the truth is ugly. i'm not sure if the germans formally ever apologized for the holocaust but it doesn't mean the germans of today are bad people.
Fist...
The point is not wether they are all bad people. The point is...They continue to deny the genocide. and have not taken responsibility for it. People died...people were rounded up and killed. You expect the armenian people to just say.."well...their not all bad people"
Let them seek the truth and apologize.....then, i will forgive them gladly.
By the way...if we forgave them and did not persue this, we could probably have the turkish blockade lifted and live as neighbors....
But not without admission. I wouldnt disrepect my ancestors like that.
The point is not wether they are all bad people. The point is...They continue to deny the genocide. and have not taken responsibility for it. People died...people were rounded up and killed. You expect the armenian people to just say.."well...their not all bad people"
Let them seek the truth and apologize.....then, i will forgive them gladly.
By the way...if we forgave them and did not persue this, we could probably have the turkish blockade lifted and live as neighbors....
But not without admission. I wouldnt disrepect my ancestors like that.
