Arimidex from the getgo?

[Pappichulo]

Should I use Arimidex 0.5dly right from the begining of my D-bol/sust/deca cycle? And is arimidex, nolva, proviron enough for restricting estro post cycle?

 

[rjl296]

yes, and god yes

 

[supervegitto]

Should I use Arimidex 0.5dly right from the begining of my D-bol/sust/deca cycle? And is arimidex, nolva, proviron enough for restricting estro post cycle?

If you are using arimidex there is no need for nolva. Arimidex blocks and stops estrogen before it even starts so there is no rebound of estrogen post cycle. Post cycle proviron and clomid will be good. And start the arimedex the day you start injecting.

 

[Pappichulo]

If you are using arimidex there is no need for nolva. Arimidex blocks and stops estrogen before it even starts so there is no rebound of estrogen post cycle. Post cycle proviron and clomid will be good. And start the arimedex the day you start injecting.

So can I just substitute the arimidex to nolva @ 10mg dly throughout my cycle? thanks bros for your info

 

[supervegitto]

So can I just substitute the arimidex to nolva @ 10mg dly throughout my cycle? thanks bros for your info

Well for me personally I would drop the nolva and forget about it and stick with the arimidex 0.5/day throughout your cycle but you can keep the nolva on hand if you like...it wouldn't hurt

 

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If you're wanting to keep that d-bol bloat down, I say use a-dex at 0.5mg/day.

 

[mrflexdiesel]

I actually liked running the first 2 weeks or so of my cycles without any anti-estrogen at all or possibly just a low dose of Clomid. This is of course if you don't have a natural disposition for gyno. This allows an early increase in IGF-1 levels and muscle glycogen due to the early increase in estrogen. As long as you control it before it starts running rampant it used to allow me to put a little more size and weight on before hardening it and solidifying it.

 

[Pappichulo]

I actually liked running the first 2 weeks or so of my cycles without any anti-estrogen at all or possibly just a low dose of Clomid. This is of course if you don't have a natural disposition for gyno. This allows an early increase in IGF-1 levels and muscle glycogen due to the early increase in estrogen. As long as you control it before it starts running rampant it used to allow me to put a little more size and weight on before hardening it and solidifying it.

Thanks this is what I was going to ask next.I'm gonna try the first week or 2 without an anti-estrogen and see what happens but my nolva will be in close by me just incase.

 

[tiger88]

for sure please do !

help cut off all the water wieght and gyno is nasty bro...dont want it ..

it wont really do much for deca but take some b6


B6 does work. When using nandrolone or derivatives which can raise prolactin levels B6 has been used to suppress prolactin levels, this has been proved in studies. High prolactin levels in males has been the culprit in causing inappropiate lactation known as galactorrhea. Maintenance doses of 200mg should be taken during a cycle which includes nandrolones/derivates. If lactation does occur then then two doses of 300mg in the am and 300mg in the pm should be taken.

Studies on B6 Effectivness on Prolactin

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J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1976 Mar;42(3):603-6


Effect of pyridoxine on human hypophyseal trophic hormone release: a possible stimulation of hypothalamic dopaminergic pathway.

Delitala G, Masala A, Alagna S, Devilla L.

A single dose of pyridoxine (300 mg iv) produced significant rises in peak levels of immunoreactive growth hormone GH and significant decrease of plasma prolactin PRL in 8 hospitalized healthy subjects. Serum glucose, luteinizing hormone LH, follicle stimulating hormone FSH and thyrotropin TSH were not altered significantly. In addition, in 5 acromegalic patients who were studied with both L-dopa and pyridoxine, inhibition of GH secretion followed either agent in a similar pattern. These data suggest a hypothalamic dopaminergic effect of pyridoxine.

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N Engl J Med 1982 Aug 12;307(7):444-5

Pyridoxine (B6) suppresses the rise in prolactin and increases the rise in growth hormone induced by exercise.

Moretti C, Fabbri A, Gnessi L, Bonifacio V, Fraioli F, Isidori A.

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Boll Soc Ital Biol Sper 1984 Feb 28;60(2):273-8

[Influence of administration of pyridoxine on circadian rhythm of plasma ACTH, cortisol prolactin and somatotropin in normal subjects]

[Article in Italian]

Barletta C, Sellini M, Bartoli A, Bigi C, Buzzetti R, Giovannini C.

The influence of vitamin B6 in a dosage of 300 mg X 2 in 24 hrs, on circadian rhythm of plasmatic ACTH, cortisol, prolactin and somatotropin have been studied in 10 normal women. After vitamin B6 24 hrs pattern of ACTH and cortisol is unchanged; prolactin levels are slightly lower, in a statistically unsignificant proportion the night peak of growth hormone is higher in a statistically significant proportion (p. 0.05). The effect of vitamin B6 is likely to me mediated by dopaminergic receptors at hypothalamic level as previous studies by other authors appear to prove.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

If you have enough proviron, you might want to run 50 mg a day throughout the cycle. What does your cycle look like and what are your current stats?

 

[Pappichulo]

If you have enough proviron, you might want to run 50 mg a day throughout the cycle. What does your cycle look like and what are your current stats?

STATS: 5'10'' 185lbs About 10%Bf lifting 5yrs

Current Cycle: (haven't started yet)
Weeks 1-4 DBOL@30mg dly
Weeks 1-8 Sust@500mg Wkly
weeks 2-10 Deca@300mg Wkly

Weeks 2-5 Nolva@10mg Dly
Weeks 1-10 Saw palmetto,Milk thistle

PCT:
Weeks 9-10 HCG@3000-5000iu (2wkly?not sure about this just know I need it
Nolva@10mg dly & Proviron@25mg dly for next 15 days

PLEASE let me know what u guys think this is just an idea of what I wan't to do I'm just so tired of talking about it I'm ready to walk the talk

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Deca is very suppressive. You are injecting it during the two weeks you are doing the HCG? Run the deca weeks 1-8. Start the HCG in week 10.

 

[Pappichulo]

Deca is very suppressive. You are injecting it during the two weeks you are doing the HCG? Run the deca weeks 1-8. Start the HCG in week 10.

So I should just start my first week with Dbol/sust/deca all at the same time?And also how much HCG should I use? Should I extend my use of Sust & Deca?TEll me more tellme more <--this face works for everything
Thanks so far bro

 

[Pappichulo]

So I should just start my first week with Dbol/sust/deca all at the same time?And also how much HCG should I use? Should I extend my use of Sust & Deca?TEll me more tellme more <--this face works for everything
Thanks so far bro

BUMP Had to do it

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Yest start them at the same fime. The deca and most of the tests in the susanon are long chain esters. You will not see gains on them for seveal weeks. Personally I'm not a big HCG fan, but 2500 iu's eod works well for alot of people.