Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[mattcanning99]

in my mind it isn't, however, at the same time i don't judge people who don't want to mess with their bodies hormonally by taking the pill... and i know of one person who gained thirty pounds in two months on the pill and can't take it anymore because her body reacts so badly to it. granted, that's an extreme.

are those facts? im really unaware of whether or not birth control pills have side effects or if they are myths...from what ive read, they do not prevent a woman from getting pregnant later, but im really in the grey on that topic.

and i'd like to see statistics on how many people actually use more than one birth control method. i bet it's very low.

true, but i still have to say, in that case they just shouldnt have sex. sad i know, but like i said, abortion should not be looked at as a birth control method.

 

[smallmovesal]

yeah, i do work for the government (sadly), and i understand what you are saying.

maybe the best solution would be to cut off these men's dicks...however, it wont happen. im sure there is a solution to this: if a man does that, he deserves some kind of disciplinary action.

maybe we could pass a law that says we can cut off the peepees of men who are "burdening" society with their offspring. call it the "bobbit law".

seriously though, the law doesn't go far enough on those delinquents. we have family orders placed on tax returns and any money collected from the govt by the individual, even sometimes their drivers license is suspended, and money from work is taken as well. i really don't know what else they could do... i don't see hauling anyone to jail helping.

 

[Longhorn85]

maybe we could pass a law that says we can cut off the peepees of men who are "burdening" society with their offspring. call it the "bobbit law".

Now THAT is harsh!

 

[Trance]

in my mind it isn't, however, at the same time i don't judge people who don't want to mess with their bodies hormonally by taking the pill... and i know of one person who gained thirty pounds in two months on the pill and can't take it anymore because her body reacts so badly to it. granted, that's an extreme.

and i'd like to see statistics on how many people actually use more than one birth control method. i bet it's very low.

I do. I wouldn't go off the Pill even if I gained forty pounds. Not worth the risk. It amazes me how few women take substantial precautions. Half the women I know only use condoms, and the other half just pray...lol...

I'm certainly not one to judge, since I got pregnant at 24 (WITH a condom). I kept the baby. It was the toughest decision I have ever had to make, but I'm thankful every day that I made it.

I'm not sure how I stand on the abortion issue. I think tht it should be legal in cases of physical danger to the mother and baby and also in cases of rape, but I don't feel that it should be taken as lightly as it is.

I'm adopted. The person who gave me up could easily have aborted me, but they sucked it up, went through nine months of pregnancy, and put me up for adoption. I admire them for that. Maybe that maked me a little biased on the subject, but oh well...

I personally feel that all high school kids should be given a high strain of the contraceptive shot, making them sterile until age 21. That would take care of half the problem.

 

[smallmovesal]

are those facts? im really unaware of whether or not birth control pills have side effects or if they are myths...from what ive read, they do not prevent a woman from getting pregnant later, but im really in the grey on that topic.

true, but i still have to say, in that case they just shouldnt have sex. sad i know, but like i said, abortion should not be looked at as a birth control method.

they do have side effects. go read azia's thread on the women's forum.

you can't stop people from having sex. there is just no way.

i think you are assuming that everyone who has an abortion is using it as "a birth control method". i think that is a flippant statement to make when many end up going to counselling to be able to deal with their choice to abort.

 

[polarpixie]

birth control pills and side effects

Mattcanning, yes, there are alot of side effects that can happen with the pill. Physically on the outside and hormonally. One of my friends started taking the pill and it made so crazy, it tore her and her boyfriend's relationship apart. Then there's the weight gain, and being a fitness board, most of you should understand why someone would't want to gain 30 lbs from going on the pill, and yeah, possibly future infertililty if taken continuously for a long period of time (same effect as having multiple abortions, your body learns that it is not suitable for pregancy).

 

[mattcanning99]

I personally feel that all high school kids should be given a high strain of the contraceptive shot, making them sterile until age 21. That would take care of half the problem.

prime example being my first ex...happy we broke up before we got into that, but im less easy to take advantage of now, and i think i'll wait until im married (although i probably wont).

it's nice to have morals, unfortunately, teenaged kids haven't fully matured yet, so it's understandable that they would need more guidance and education on the topic.

 

[mattcanning99]

i had this debate with two friends a week ago (tonight) and i came to a conclusion that there is a difference between destroying a mass of cells with no cognitive senses (day after pill, abortion VERY early on, etc), and 8 month abortions, or (*shudder*) partial birth abortions, where the baby is actually about to be born and is killed right then (legal in some states i believe). (this neglects the concept of a soul, however).

then i talked to my mom, who said that she is 100% pro life (unless something like rape), and i realised, that even if i want to be pro choice, how could i ever force someone pro life to change their opinions, i mean, its a human life, and no matter how much pain a woman goes through in 9 months, think about the life you've led up until now, and ask yourself if that is a fair trade (i know, there are a lot of holes in this argument)

i think that is a flippant statement to make when many end up going to counselling to be able to deal with their choice to abort.

im not saying everyone uses abortion as a contraceptive, im just saying people are less responsible knowing they have the choice to abort.

as for my final answer on pro life or pro choice, well, im agnostic (so to speak) for the moment...im still not sure which one to be in favour of, but i do like everyone here making good points, helps me finalize an answer sometime soon hopefully

 

[smallmovesal]

Now THAT is harsh!

heehee all of a sudden a peeper is in danger of being physically hurt and you pipe up again

trance i wasn't on the pill at all during my six year relationship. we were careful to avoid my most fertile times and used a condom most of the time (the latter part of the relationship we didn't use one for a few days after my period). i'm certainly not one to be on a pedestal for that, and in the future if i get into a relationship i will likely go on the pill as well as use condoms.

and matt, if you aren't going to wait until marriage to have sex again... i'm tempted to ask you my question. but i won't because i've already made my point about that.

 

[mattcanning99]

and matt, if you aren't going to wait until marriage to have sex again... i'm tempted to ask you my question. but i won't because i've already made my point about that.

well, ideally, im trying to wait until marriage, and only do "other things" in the meantime

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=29355

i would not have sex with a girl (unmarried) without two forms of birth control, and the knowledge that i would support (both financially and emotionally) the woman and the child if a pregnancy occured.

also, im not trying to change anybody's opinion here, read my disclaimer: