Are injectables liver toxic ?

[poantrex]

Injectables are generally not toxic to the liver (winstrol being an obvious exception) But, injectables can drastically reduce HDL even if they're not c17aa - there are tons of studies showing this.

 

[Dial_tone]

With the exception of an 8 week run of Winstrol I don't plan to use any orals this year and likely not next either.

 

[tical]

so would deca and eq (400/400mg ew) interfere with my liver bloodwork that my derm has me do every month for accutane?

they look closest at enzymes, cholesterol and white blood cell count i believe

 

[poantrex]

so would deca and eq (400/400mg ew) interfere with my liver bloodwork that my derm has me do every month for accutane?

they look closest at enzymes, cholesterol and white blood cell count i believe

Dude, using gear while taking accutane is fucking STUPID. First of all, if you're taking it because you are naturally prone to acne, steroids will render it less effective. So you might have to take another course of accutane down the road. And secondly...yes, it will interfere with the bloodtest, accutane itself fucks your cholesterol, and any injectable will lower HDL (and increase LDL in many cases) even more than accutane alone which will make things worse. Accutane alone at 40mg per day decreased my HDL by about 30 points, and increased my LDL by more than that. My triglicerides went from 60 to 110 on accutane alone. I don't imagine taking supraphysiological doses of androgens would help those numbers very much. If you get a bad bloodtest, you won't be able to talk your doc into letting you take accutane. He will pull you off for AT LEAST 8 weeks if he's nice, most of them will not prescribe it to you again. Why risk that?

I have seen 2 threads in the past few weeks of dudes that were forced off of accutane because of bad bloodtest results - from taking gear.

The only thing you should even consider while taking accutane is perhaps a low dose of test. 250mg a week perhaps. More than that will have too big of an effect on HDL and cholesterol, and I have bloodtests to prove that. (I'm taking accutane right now)

 

[chyllaxyn]

Im tired of seing people giving the wrong advice around here...if you are unsure say " in my oppinion or i think" or "im not sure", First of all the board is here to help other people and not bitch at them for asking questions..You were a newbie too.....2nd if your going to give advice make sure its the correct advice!!

WERD !

Nothing wrong starting a thread <IMO>

 

[tical]

Dude, using gear while taking accutane is fucking STUPID. First of all, if you're taking it because you are naturally prone to acne, steroids will render it less effective. So you might have to take another course of accutane down the road. And secondly...yes, it will interfere with the bloodtest, accutane itself fucks your cholesterol, and any injectable will lower HDL (and increase LDL in many cases) even more than accutane alone which will make things worse. Accutane alone at 40mg per day decreased my HDL by about 30 points, and increased my LDL by more than that. My triglicerides went from 60 to 110 on accutane alone. I don't imagine taking supraphysiological doses of androgens would help those numbers very much. If you get a bad bloodtest, you won't be able to talk your doc into letting you take accutane. He will pull you off for AT LEAST 8 weeks if he's nice, most of them will not prescribe it to you again. Why risk that?

I have seen 2 threads in the past few weeks of dudes that were forced off of accutane because of bad bloodtest results - from taking gear.

The only thing you should even consider while taking accutane is perhaps a low dose of test. 250mg a week perhaps. More than that will have too big of an effect on HDL and cholesterol, and I have bloodtests to prove that. (I'm taking accutane right now)

I hear you, I'm actually on accutane thanks to what some test prop did to me last year, the backne never really subsided so I hopped on it. It's working great. 2 months in so far but my treatment is scheduled for 6 months thats why I was wondering (getting the itch to jump back on).

I'll just ride it out, no point in risking this script... you're right.

I doubt I'll be playing with any high(er) androgenics anymore.

 

[Ulter]

I used Accutane twice while on cycle. Most people I know do. If you stay around 40mg/day you'll be fine. It's good you've started it first. You want to be on it a couple months prior to the cycle if at all possible.
The affects on your cholesterol levels, like with steroids, is overblown. The temporary flucuations in CHO levels caused by Accutane or Cycling 8 weeks are of no consequence. There has never been any link to CAD from having short episodes of poor lipid profiles.

 

[LVTitan]

i hope ur right ulter, because my cholesterol and wbc count levels are totally fucked right now, i've been on pct for 3 weeks, and the doc says i have the blood of a very unhealthy 50yr old and am at great risk for coronary heart disease.

 

[Ulter]

If they stayed that way for years I might agree with him.

The problem is that doctors, if you don't tell them you cycle, freak when they see the lipid profile of someone on cycle. Because they think that the profile represents your typical lipid profile.
If those profiles were that dangerous in the short term they'd have you on meds in a heartbeat. They just aren't.

 

[NYBodyguard]

Injectable steroids, except winny which is an oral steroid that is injected, are not liver toxic. Suspension as liver toxic as Halo? This board slides into an abyss of stupidity sometimes. Don't post stupid stuff the guys at the gym told you. Liver enzymes are not increased from using a steroid that the liver doesn't break down. How could they be? People are looking for some peripheral affect that injectables have on the liver and that ridiculous. The air you breathe has a peripheral affect on your liver. Stop splitting hairs. Esterfied steroids, for all practical purposes, are not liver toxic.

so can I drink winny?