are all juice boards the same?

[zingzingmaker]

It seems like they ALL use a MySQL database and some free vBulletin (or is it UBB) software. They all have stores attached which sell supplements, and various porn-related add banners.

What makes one different from another, and what makes this one worth paying for?? what am i missing?

I am just asking, I know I am a newbie yadayadayada flame all you want I am just asking what i would be paying for if i subscribed...

 

[TheProject]

Well, there are some features, like the search and the plat chat, that are plat only. You can also see the full size images that are in members' galleries.

IMHO, the biggest thing you're paying for is access to a library of knowledge created by some of the brightest bodybuilders and powerlifters out there.

You've got chemists, trainers, athletes....Elite's the biggest and the best of the boards, IMO.

Hang out for a while, and decide for yourself if it's worth it.

 

[zingzingmaker]

I will.

But, from a technology standpoint, I would love to see somebody diverge a bit and set up a board with JSP and DB2 or ASP.NET and MSDE or something.

It just seems like somebody (probably this one) built a template and chemical muscle and steroidology and anabolic fitness and about 10 others that i checked cut and pasted their logos in.

 

[Imakarum_Mirabilis]

Uh, I don't know shit about the technology, but the UG still uses Cold Fusion, if that melts your butter.

Honestly, most anabolic boards are composed primarily of idiots who perpetuate myths and incorrect information that they heard, altering it as they go in a "whisper down the lane" fashion.

A lot of "Well, I think...", when what one thinks doesn't make a damn difference to what really occurs.

 

[white boy]

I would say if you are new to the game and are considering a cycle it would def be worth going plat because of the special atention aforded the guys on the plat board

 

[TheProject]

I will.

But, from a technology standpoint, I would love to see somebody diverge a bit and set up a board with JSP and DB2 or ASP.NET and MSDE or something.

It just seems like somebody (probably this one) built a template and chemical muscle and steroidology and anabolic fitness and about 10 others that i checked cut and pasted their logos in.

Yep.

There are a couple of different board packages out there that are similar, but the ones I've seen use MySQL or something similar.

Elite runs into some trouble because they're running, as I recall, two web servers and a database server, and they have time sync issues between the servers, which results in the post swapping problem.

It's not just fitness boards either...a LOT of people use vBulletin.

 

[MarthaStewart]

I would imagine that there are a bunch of dipshits on any of the boards. There are probably a few smart people too...
Much like real life - lots of filler and then some extra smarties and then some tards.
Bell curve maybe?

In terms of wanting them to use jsp or .NET, that is pretty fucking funny.

1) it doesn't matter what they use, the delivery mechanism is totally unrelated to the quality of the content.

2) the reason most of them use PHP on a Linux system into a MySQL database is because it is all free and it is fast.

JSP will scale well, but it requires more hardware to get the same performance as the PHP system (which incidentally doesn't scale well, but which doesn't matter for many of them). Also JSP requires an app server of some sort - JSP is the same as a servelet - the cheapest being on Apache (being what is on most of these servers, again, free) - I think called JServ.
The better and faster ones are expensive and harder to set up and maintain.

.NET is now essentially the same as a Java system - all the code runs in a virtual machine the same way, and for a bit, .NET has a better at threading than Java - but Java is quickly getting there.
That said, .NET is a waste of money for something like a chat board. The hardware costs more because you need a beefier machine to use/run it. Not to mention that Windows costs money and is not free, and it requires more maintenence than a Linux/FreeBSD setup.

I can go on further if you want, but I think essentially the sites want something up quickly and cheaply and then don't want to maintain it.

They all have ads because they need to pay for it, and they frequently tie in a system where you can buy the supplements because that is the real business - the chat board is simply and added value to their supplement store.

 

[white boy]

Martha, are you a cross dresser by any chance?

 

[HS Lifter]

Martha,

What would you do if I fucked you in the ass, then wiped my shit stained dick on your curtains?

Just curious.

 

[MarthaStewart]

Martha,

What would you do if I fucked you in the ass, then wiped my shit stained dick on your curtains?

Just curious.

you are so clever, I just crapped my pants.

the worst part was, I never even saw it coming

 

[HS Lifter]

you are so clever, I just crapped my pants.

the worst part was, I never even saw it coming

 

[Code]

They *could* run this whole thing using a single PPC 750, a 300bps modem and an analog phone.

But the pages would serve up to fast and people would just bitch that they suspect the pages were cached or some shit.

 

[zingzingmaker]

I would imagine that there are a bunch of dipshits on any of the boards. There are probably a few smart people too...
Much like real life - lots of filler and then some extra smarties and then some tards.
Bell curve maybe?

In terms of wanting them to use jsp or .NET, that is pretty fucking funny.

1) it doesn't matter what they use, the delivery mechanism is totally unrelated to the quality of the content.

2) the reason most of them use PHP on a Linux system into a MySQL database is because it is all free and it is fast.

JSP will scale well, but it requires more hardware to get the same performance as the PHP system (which incidentally doesn't scale well, but which doesn't matter for many of them). Also JSP requires an app server of some sort - JSP is the same as a servelet - the cheapest being on Apache (being what is on most of these servers, again, free) - I think called JServ.
The better and faster ones are expensive and harder to set up and maintain.

.NET is now essentially the same as a Java system - all the code runs in a virtual machine the same way, and for a bit, .NET has a better at threading than Java - but Java is quickly getting there.
That said, .NET is a waste of money for something like a chat board. The hardware costs more because you need a beefier machine to use/run it. Not to mention that Windows costs money and is not free, and it requires more maintenence than a Linux/FreeBSD setup.

I can go on further if you want, but I think essentially the sites want something up quickly and cheaply and then don't want to maintain it.

They all have ads because they need to pay for it, and they frequently tie in a system where you can buy the supplements because that is the real business - the chat board is simply and added value to their supplement store.

With a server you can get OEM XP pro for about 150$. This has IIS, built in firewall (which if you are only opening port 80 would work fine). add a free MSDE. development in ASP.NET is a hella lot quicker and more powerful than PHP (which i believe these boards are). Plus, I am pretty sure there is a free ASP.NET bulletin board available on sourceforge..

Personally, i think people who set these things up are just unoriginal...

BUT... on another note... Why doesn't elite just install some time sync software on the servers that automatically align them with some atomic clock. Node code modifications, 15 minutes to install, and it would fix this asinine timing bug.

 

[Code]

With a server you can get OEM XP pro for about 150$. This has IIS, built in firewall (which if you are only opening port 80 would work fine). add a free MSDE. development in ASP.NET is a hella lot quicker and more powerful than PHP (which i believe these boards are). Plus, I am pretty sure there is a free ASP.NET bulletin board available on sourceforge..

Personally, i think people who set these things up are just unoriginal...

BUT... on another note... Why doesn't elite just install some time sync software on the servers that automatically align them with some atomic clock. Node code modifications, 15 minutes to install, and it would fix this asinine timing bug.

It goes a bit deeper than enabling NTP.

But that was a nice try. There are other threads regarding the fix.

 

[MarthaStewart]

development in ASP.NET is a hella lot quicker and more powerful than PHP (which i believe these boards are).

1) I like your scientific arguement. I was just recently reading up on Feynman's "hella lot quicker" theorum, and I find it a beautiful thing.

2) I'm impressed that you deduced that these boards are running PHP. I was baffled for years - I thought for some time that it was magic that powered the boards. I later switched briefly to wondering if it was in fact the work of the devil.
But yeah, I think you might be right - it does seem to be ".php" that ends each page. All this time I thought that was just a coincidence.

3) while you state that development time in .NET is, again, "hella lot quicker" - I would like to point out that Elite has really no development that is done. All they do right now is run existing code.
I also don't agree with the arguement that .NET is faster to develop in - don't get me wrong, if you know how to develop in .NET and instead PHP is just gobbledygook to you, then yes, .NET is indeed faster. But that arguement is weak, flawed, and silly - I'm guessing you are either in high school, or have just finished a 100... maybe even a 101 level comp sci class. If higher, then I would recommend dropping out of your program, or transferring schools.

In the end, they need what runs quickly.
Like I said before, .NET has shown to be better at threading than Java - but in terms of just fast speed, the PHP and mySQL bit is quite fast.
It doesn't scale well - but Elite is just at the cusp of scaling issues.
While I am sure Elite would love to have lots and lots of subscribers, in the end, they are hitting the edge of where they will be in terms of subscribers. Exponential growth can't be sustained, and after which will slow down, where we are at now.

I personally prefer mod_perl - but at this point, they would have to spend far more money to switch to anything than they would to just sit there and leave it as is.

Also, the fact that you wish a board would do something different is 100% a UI change. What they do in the background is all moot as far as you are concerned.
If they want to use flat files and convert it all to Swahili on fly, that is totally independant of any buzzwords that you have learned in the past year.

 

[WODIN]

I smell a Microsoft district sales rep....

 

[EliteBB]

Non Vbulletin Forum? Check out my sig.

 

[MarthaStewart]

Non Vbulletin Forum? Check out my sig.

That's nothin' - check out my sig.

While you are at it, check out my ass.

Tell me what you think. Don't hold back. Be honest.

 

[ajtomasi]

They are all the same, now lets juice up!