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Anyone with experience with injectable ATP?

I guess I'll be the guinie pig. I'm going to try 5mg/day of injectable ATP combined with 1000mcg (1mg) of B12 and go from there...

I won't get the stuff for a few weeks at least but I'll post when I do have some feedback. I'll email the guys who bumped since they showed some real interest.
 
Very curoius to see how this stuff works. Keep me posted bro.
I can't belive that there isn't someone on the board who had tried it, so I'll bump it myself for a few days.
 
alright first there was a post about this back in the day, do a search

I think we concluded that it was to unstable to be effective outside the body,
 
I am interested too.

Here is what I have heard:
Exogenous administration of ATP doesn't work since the molecule is too large to be absorbed. This includes pills and injections. Some people feel the injections work. As well it has been said ATP can't exist outside of the cell. I have heard more bad than good unfortunately. I don't know if the ATP gets broken down and then the component parts are eventually used to create new ATP-that seem likely, but ATP is easy to synthesize. You do it 24/7.

Still interested though

FHG
 
HighIntensity said:
alright first there was a post about this back in the day, do a search

I think we concluded that it was to unstable to be effective outside the body,
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Did several searches before bumping...and from what I read, the subject is still up in the air and worthy of continued discussion.
Check it out for yourself.

Fhg...what about ATP inj right before an event...if it had any practical use at all, wouldn't this be it?
 
AMP is prescribed to people with MS. Apparently helps as a muscle tonic/strengthener and also for remyelination (sp?) in the brain. Now I'm way out of my league here but I've read many accounts that it does indeed work. ATP, according to others I've spoken to is what AMP is broken down into. I've got a script for it coming which will be filled by the College Pharmacy. I'll be taking it with B12 (methylcobalamin, cyanocobalomin and also hydroxycobalamin), B6 and Folic Acid (all injectable). If I find the ATP doesn't work I'm planning on trying the AMP. College Pharmacy will also compound that. For anyone interested, I started on the B12, B6 and Folic Acid injectable kick to try to offset any cardiovascular damage anabolic steroids will be doing to me. My research says that oral administration is not adequate for real cardio protection. And hell, I'm already injecting the gear so why not the vitamins. The AMP/ATP idea I came across by accident really but heard it really kicks ass when combined with B12. Anyway, I'll post whatever I find but it won't be for a few weeks.
 
40butpumpin said:
AMP is prescribed to people with MS. Apparently helps as a And hell, I'm already injecting the gear so why not the vitamins.
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ROFLMAO

Fhg...what about ATP inj right before an event...if it had any practical use at all, wouldn't this be it?
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I agree with you that this would be the best time, but like you said I think the verdict is still out on whether inj ATP works. It might be okay for lifting or short endurance events. But I doubt it is useful for any event longer than an hour-probably less. No hard fast facts to back this up, just a guess from all those anat/phys classes.

FHG
 
Yeah, actually when I said it to myself it made so much sense but still seemed weird in a way. But I did I think you were doubting the use of AMP by MS patients. Please forgive that, I'm up to my eyeballs in researching this shit and I think I need a break from all of this. :)
 
Anyone actually end up using this? I'm curious to know what it actually does in a bodybuilder and how it ended up working for you in your cycle...?

IQ
 
johnboy said:
My guess is that somebody has used it. My next guess is that it didn't do much (like B-12). But that is just a guess.
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I kinda gave up on it as I was up to my eyeballs in other stuff (supplements). Since the general scientific consensus was exogenously administered (inj and oral) ATP wouldn't work I decided to skip it. I've spent so much on supps I only want to use stuff that works (looks like I'm sticking to Hgh, EPO and AAS)!

Seriously-I don't think ATP will work from all the research I did.

BTW B-12 seems to work well. IMO it depends on what you want from it. I stress my aerobic system alot so I need B-12 and iron to produce more RBCs. I take iron orally and inj 2cc B-12 2x weekly. I have noticed more energy and better recovery since I started the B-12 so it is working for me.

FHG
 
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ATP = Adenosine Triphosphate. Stripping off a phosphate is what yields energy. ATP->ADP

AMP is adenosine MOnosphate. Wehn your body is desperate it can go ahead and strip the second phosphate for more enegry (but incrementally less that the first one).

I guess the body can take the AMP and add 2 phosphates to it?

JC
 
joncrane said:
ATP = Adenosine Triphosphate. Stripping off a phosphate is what yields energy. ATP->ADP

AMP is adenosine MOnosphate. Wehn your body is desperate it can go ahead and strip the second phosphate for more enegry (but incrementally less that the first one).

I guess the body can take the AMP and add 2 phosphates to it?

JC
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I have seen AMP supplements. I wonder if that is more stable outside the human body and I wonder if it can be used from external sources?

FHG
 
I don't think the idea behind ATP supplementation is to increase cellular ATP concentrations directly, but to provide substrates for ATP production. Your body can't store excess ATP; it stores fat and glycogen instead that can be easily converted to ATP via oxidative phosphorylation or glycolysis. To illustrate how futile it would be to add a little exogenous ATP, it's been calculated that your body turns over and resynthesizes its own weight in ATP every day. This shows how short lived the compound is.

During exercise there is a reduction in all the adenine nucleotides ATP, ADP, and AMP in muscle cells. ATP given either orally or by injection is able to provide all the ATP metabolites required for ATP regeneration.

This is analogous to the notion of supplementing with ribose, a constituent of ATP. Unfortunately, ribose doesn't seem to do much of anything in the way of performance enhancement (1) (2)

I have not seen any in vivo research on ATP supplementation and performance.


(1) J Appl Physiol 2001 Oct;91(4):1775-81
Influence of ribose on adenine salvage after intense muscle contractions.
Zarzeczny R, Brault JJ, Abraham KA, Hancock CR, Terjung RL.

(2) J Appl Physiol 2001 Nov;91(5):2275-81
No effects of oral ribose supplementation on repeated maximal exercise and de novo ATP resynthesis.
Op 'T Eijnde B, Van Leemputte M, Brouns F, Van Der Vusse GJ, Labarque V, Ramaekers M, Van Schuylenberg R, Verbessem P, Wijnen H, Hespel P.
 
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