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Anyone using Humulin R?....Got a ? for ya!!

LCBUTLER

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I know that one must consume 10g of carbs per I.U of slin, which I do. But Humulin R seems to peak for me about 2 hours after taking it....should I wait an hour or so to drink/eat the carbs.....

I did 10 IU of slin last night post workout then had a carb drink (100g of carbs). Then about two hours later I could tell that my blood sugar was low so I consumed another 100 g carb drink.

This was the first time this ever happened so I was wondering if there is an optimum time to consume the carbs after Humulin R.

I wish I could get Humalog.

LC
 
No way. Consume carbs every hour for at least four hours. The absolute most you
should wait is 20 minutes after your injection before you start with the carbs. Also
your mind can play tricks on you with insulin. Don't start thinking you're in the safe
zone a couple of hours later. I've experienced mild hypoglycemia over four hours
later.
 
M.O.D said:
my pleasure...if there is any drug that one needs to read up on its insulin

True that...I experienced everything in that post last night. What is weird is that I have been doing 10 iu post workout for 3 weeks and this is the first time I felt that way....Oh well. I now know better how to avoid feeling that way.
 
I was using it as a bridge, but have continued to use slin with my current cycle....I am getting very quality, and consistent gains. I am up from low 230's to low 240's in body weight. BF has stayed 10-12%

Current Cycle:
1 g Test Cyp/wk
75mg Tren/ED
10 iu slin Post Workout
1 mg Arimidex/day

I am going to run this for 10 weeks.
 
You will also get different absorption rates based on where you inject and whether the muscle near the injection site was worked. Stomach is generally considered to be the most consistent, even absorption area. However, if you did some wicked ab workout then you may get a much faster rate of absorption and a starnge peak time. The peaks and durations listed by Lilly for their insulin are general and you should learn above all, as it sounds like you did very well, to listen to what your body tells you avove all else. Use the guidelines just for an idea of what to expect cause it can vary alot. I will post more if anyonehas specific Q's that I can answer...its a bit different for a diabetic on slin than your normal bastards j/k :p
 
I inject in the stomach making sure it doesn't go into the muscle. Consume carbs, protein, creatine. 1.5 - 2.0 hrs later I consume more carbs. Never had a problem as long as I follow this routine.
 
Excellant reply MOD..........I always give that link out as a reference. I feel it is the best info on insulin I have ever read, it made my experience with slin a very good one.
 
I really miss the Monster....he was always informative, and one huge Mofo....some bigass legs on that boy. See there, AnabolicDiabetic....I knew you would be a good contributor, keep it coming.
Humulin-r can be tricky.......I went hypo for no apparent reason and was so fucked up I barely caught it.....keep the glucose handy......no fixed schedule works all the time for everyone - maybe that was the reason for my experience, AnabolicDiabetic - I injected quads after leg day.
Luckily, I now can get humalog. Timing is so much easier.
How are you, mechanic? Seems we have mutual friends.
 
It's not Monsters post but it's just as good, if not, better...

Originally posted by Anabolic Diabetic

BASIC Insulin Primer- READ BEFORE POSTING QUESTIONS PLEASE

BASIC Insulin Primer- READ BEFORE POSTING QUESTIONS PLEASE
WHAT IS INSULIN?

Insulin is a hormone produced in the pancreas- islet cells/beta cells to be specific. Insulin facilitates the use of sugar, which all calories are ultimately converted to, for the multitude of bodily fuctions which include energy production, brain activity, metabolism regulation- basically all of your body's function either directly or indirectly.

WHERE DO I GET IT AND WHAT TYPE DO I USE?

Humilin R is available OTC just about everywhere and while it is a quick acting insulin, it is not the fastest or most consistent in terms of absorption and effect. Humilin R starts working in about 1/2 hour and the effect can last up to six hours.

Humalog is available OTC in some states/countries while be RX only in many other states. Humalog is a true fast acting insulin which begins activity within 15 minutes and ends activity within 4 hours. Humalog is the preffered insulin to use since it works more predictably and is out of your system faster which makes it easier to control.

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST?

In general, Insulin costs between $20-$30 depending on the type and where you buy it.

WHAT KIND OF NEEDLES DO I USE?

Use 29 guage, 1/2cc insulin syringes. "B-D ultra-fine" is my preference in terms of brand.

WHERE DO I INJECT?

Upper back of arm, abdomen(avoid area too close to belly button), inner and outer upper thigh, butt cheeks.

HOW DO I INJECT?

Rotate injection sites each time you inject. Don't inject into the same area two times in a row. Insulin injections are subcutaneous- not intramuscular.

WHAT DOSE DO I START WITH?

Start with 2-3 units of insulin. There is no need to start higher than this as you will be adjusting your dose gradually to find a tolerable level.

HOW DO I INCREASE MY DOSE?

To move your dose higher in order to find your ideal dose, go up by one unit per day. A very general guide would be to consider between 10 and 15 units as your pre-determined upper limit. If it turns out you want to go higher and don't have any trouble with those doses, then no harm is done and you can go higher. Don't make big leaps up in dose or assume more is better- be safe rather than sorry.

WHAT DO I EAT AND WHEN DO I EAT IT?

For Humilin R, the general start of activity is within a 1/2 hour but the varies ALOT!!!!! Don't assume you have tons of time to wait to eat simple sugars. Pay attention to how you feel and never wait more than 15 minutes(if that) to eat. First consume simple sugars(dextrose preffered but not the only one) in the form of some type of drink as these are most readily absorbed in my experience. A general guideline is 10 grams of carbs for each unit of insulin- MINIMUM! Within a hour or so after your dose you want to eat a mix of simple carbs and high protein- this is the golden hour AFTER your workout when the insulin will shuttle nutrients into your muscles very efficiently. Humilin R will peak at two hours after you take it so you must eat another balanced meal at the hour and a half mark approximately. This meal should include complex carbs, some fats, and protein. Use simple carbs also if you feel any hypoglycemic symptoms. "R" will last up to six hours so be aware of how you feel and eat as needed after the two hour mark. REMEMBER THAT YOU STILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INSULIN WORKING UP TO SIX HOURS LATER SO DON'T BE COMPLACENT AND ASSUME YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO HYPOGLYCEMIC.

For Humalog, use the same general rules and type of meal sequence, but begin the process immediately. Simple carbs should be ingested within 10 minutes- NO EXCEPTIONS. Then have the carb/protein meal within the hour. Then have the balanced meal of complex carbs/fats/protein at the hour 1/2 mark. Keep aware of how you feel up to four hours after your dose and eat as needed.

FACTORS AFFECTING INSULIN ABSORPTION/SENSITIVITY

The abdomen is generally the area where insulin is absorbed the most consistently or evenly as it is designed to be.

Injections near a muscle that you have worked out can dramtically increase the absorption rate and effect of your dose of insulin.

GH will make you more insulin INsensitive so your tolerance of insulin will change when on or off of GH.

Highly androgenic steroids also make you more insulin insensitive, however, can also cause very random hypoglycemia aswell.

Supplements such as Chromium, Ginseng, Alpha Lipoic Acid, and Cinnamon (among others) increase insulin sensitivity.

Variations in glycogen levels in your muscles can also affect how severe a hypoglycemic reactions may be or may feel. If you are starting out with low levels of muscle glycogen, the same dose of insulin that didn't affect you before may now be too much.

The glucagon response from everyone's liver will vary. This hormone increases blood sugar when during stresses to the body or in response to hypoglycemia. Some people may get a big response from their liver and hypoglycemia for them won't be as severe. Others will have less of a respense and may be more prone to insulin shock. This response can also vary for each person based on their diet, exercise etc. so don't assume your liver will react the same way to hypoglycemia each time- you may get help from it or you may have to depend mostly on consuming sugar to save your life.

WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS OF HYPOGLYCEMIA?
They include: sweating, dizziness, heart palpitations, tremors, drowsiness, sleep distrubances, anxiety, blurred vision, hunger, restelessness, lightheadedness, tingling in extremeties, headache, slurred speech, irritability, unstable movement, personality changes, seizures, DEATH

HOW SHOULD I CYCLE INSULIN?

Insulin should be cycled so that you have less of a chance of permanently affecting your own body's production of insulin. Even cycling can affect your own production though so be aware and see your doctor regularly. I say 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off as a general rule of thumb with 6 weeks on being the absolute limit in my opinion.
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This was meant to be a basic introduction to using insulin. I do not condone the use of insulin by non-diabetics nor am I encouraging anyone to use insulin. I am not a doctor and YOU are the only one who can be responsible for making the decision to use insulin. I hope this helps someone to stay safe and think things through before jumping into the unknown. I will be adding things to this as I go since I'm sure I forgot some things.

Good luck to all- AD
 
FlexManning said:
I've experienced mild hypoglycemia over four hours
later.
Yeah thats not fun. I was driving home from the gym and I guess I didnt eat enough carbs after a 5iu shot, well I started experiencing tunnel vision and my heart was racing and I felt dizzy, I stopped at the nearest conveinance store and I ran and grabbed a 32oz powerade and ran to the counter to throw money at the clerk but these two kids were there counting a bag full of penneys to buy some baseball cards! Arrgh!! :( The clerk was helping them and didnt pay any attention to my dizzyness and faintness while stnding inline clinching a powerade and a $5 dollar bill. Lesson learned. People, always carry glucose tabs with you at all times, even if it is a 5iu shot.
 
primalx id like you to post your opinion on my insulin faq post if you dont mind

while we have agreed to disagree i think your info in the thread i linked above would be of intrest to many people
 
Oh I cant give my opinion on it aceman, I'm sick of getting flamed by assholes. :) I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and grow like a weed!
 
Primal X said:
Oh I cant give my opinion on it aceman, I'm sick of getting flamed by assholes. :) I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and grow like a weed!

Hi Primal X

can you post your opinion here or send me privately by message or e-mail?

I am planning to take with HGH and would like to read all experiences I can.

Thanks
 
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