Well, Im taking a 3rd of the gear I have in past and Im making gains. Im using the denkadiol at 75mgs eod with 100mgs of suspension eod. The other days Im using fina and eq eod. Im also using proviron at 50mgs ed which is supposed to help free up more test also.Anyway, Im adding size , but the strength isnt where it has been in past but that could be due to less water retention....Anyway Im under 2g of gear a week and Im impressed with the gains. Remember Ive used probably 3x's that in past cycles.